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somehow each team manages to turn it over in the final 5 seconds, still leaving enough time for Bogdan to drain a game winning 3 at the buzzer, great night for the Cs without even playing
 

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God fucking damn it. Probably better suited for the betting thread but seriously Milwaukee?
 

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Crazy individual performance night in the NBA, Luka had a 39 point triple double and it is like, the 8th most impressive performance.
 

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Lillard has 57 but is only a +3 not even leading his own team

Dinwiddie meanwhile has 34 to lead the Nets, but is +23 in 33 minutes
 

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The Blazers have lost four in a row (didnt happen at all last season) and are winless at home despite Lillard going thermonuclear to start the year. Their front-court woes and CJ McCollum's struggles have really hurt the team.
 

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The Blazers have lost four in a row (didnt happen at all last season) and are winless at home despite Lillard going thermonuclear to start the year. Their front-court woes and CJ McCollum's struggles have really hurt the team.
Also they can't defend at all, last year's success was partially built on the 3 and 4 making up for Lillard and McCollum on D, the new guys in those spots can't defend much either, so the whole team can't defend now
 

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Also they can't defend at all, last year's success was partially built on the 3 and 4 making up for Lillard and McCollum on D, the new guys in those spots can't defend much either, so the whole team can't defend now
I expect Stotts to fix the D. Nassir Little and Simons are getting some run and Simons did a capable job slowing Kyrie. If they are still struggling in another month, they have a big problem but for now, its just the injuries plus new personnel plus early season rust.
 

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Dame + DLo = 112 points, 0-2.

Blazers can't just keep spinning their wheels forever, can they?

For fun: who says no to McCollum for Wiggins?
 

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The Lakers D is just at another level. It is eye popping how good this team is already. Best team from top to bottom LeBron has had in 17 seasons. They are so deep.
 

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I expect Stotts to fix the D. Nassir Little and Simons are getting some run and Simons did a capable job slowing Kyrie. If they are still struggling in another month, they have a big problem but for now, its just the injuries plus new personnel plus early season rust.
I don't expect a 19 year old rookie to be the guy who makes a bad D good. They need a trade or a buyout badly. Hezonja and Whiteside were terrible acquisitions, neither can defend at all and Whiteside doesn't even fit the offense.

Dame + DLo = 112 points, 0-2.

Blazers can't just keep spinning their wheels forever, can they?

For fun: who says no to McCollum for Wiggins?
Portland, quickly. McCollum might be older and have an extra year on his deal, but he's also a much better basketball player than Wiggins, who is apocalypticly bad on D.
 

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It was almost like the rest of the Trailblazers were conspiring against Dame. McCollum and Simons combined to go 9/33 from the field.
 

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McCollum 4 for 17 from 2. Only attempted a pair of 3 pointers.

Lillard scores 60 and his teammates combined for only 6 assists.

If Stotts gets the boot, I hope Mark Jackson gets a long look from Blazers management.
 

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If Stotts gets the boot, I hope Mark Jackson gets a long look from Blazers management.
If Stotts gets the boot and is replaced by Mark Jackson - and what makes you hope he gets a long look? The guy was a disaster from an Xs and Os and organizational standpoint for the Warriors - the Blazers should be contracted. Stotts is a good coach and its not his fault some of his other key pieces are struggling early. Its really too early to be calling for a coach firing and entirely too early to call for Mark Jackson to get another head coaching job. He is not built for today's NBA.
 

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Could be. I feel like McCollum is pretty apocalyptically bad on D, too, though. Plus: an atrocious rebounder, woefully undersized for his position, nothing special as a passer, and an average-ish efficiency scorer. His recent ESPN ranking of #13 is totally baffling to me. I'm not sure he's top 30.

Wiggins is no great shakes, either, but at least he's a long 6-7 and at 24 could maybe molded into something a bit better than he is. Small sample, but his numbers this season are significantly up across the board.

If I'm a Blazer fan I'm just tired of being undersized all the time. Give me Lillard with a bunch of long, toolsy guys — Hood, Simons, Collins, Hezonja, Little, plus someone like Wiggins — over just running out the same thing year after year.
 

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Dame hitting that final three at the buzzer had to be the saddest anyone has ever been scoring 60 points in an NBA game.

Theoretically, Portland will get Nurkic and Collins back at some point, which should help their interior defense.
 

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If I'm a Blazer fan I'm just tired of being undersized all the time. Give me Lillard with a bunch of long, toolsy guys — Hood, Simons, Collins, Hezonja, Little, plus someone like Wiggins — over just running out the same thing year after year.
maybe they can re-acquire Aminu and Harkless? :eek:

Portland's offseason was by far the most perplexing. I didn't examine it too closely, but after dealing for Whiteside, adding Hezonja, and signing Rodney Hood I just turned off the TV.
 
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Every Bucks loss helps for the pick. They’re very very Giannis-dependent with Brogdon gone, and if he misses any time that pick could end up halfway decent.
 

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Every Bucks loss helps for the pick. They’re very very Giannis-dependent with Brogdon gone, and if he misses any time that pick could end up halfway decent.
not that they'd pull a full Warriors tank if Giannis was ever hit w/ seasoning ending injury, but is it protected?
 

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Also they can't defend at all, last year's success was partially built on the 3 and 4 making up for Lillard and McCollum on D, the new guys in those spots can't defend much either, so the whole team can't defend now
Replacing two proven veteran role players who were ideal fits with a couple teenagers and Hezonja......what could possibly go wrong?
 

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On the “undersized” topic: with the league now being strict about measuring and listing players’ heights accurately, the smallness of the Blazers’ backcourt somehow feels more pronounced. Yeah, the reduction applies to everyone, and head-height is not everything. But Lillard is now officially 6-2 and McCollum 6-3. (Lillard’s got good length for his height; CJ is averagish.) That’s always gonna be a bit problematic, imo.

Here are the latest (rounded) heights of some notable guards, per NBA.com:

6-6: Jaylen, Klay, Lonzo, LaVine, RJ Barrett
6-5: Harden, Brogdon, Booker, SGA, Dinwiddie
6-4: Hield, DLo, Shamet, DeJounte and Jamal Murray
6-3: Steph, Beal, CJ, Westbrook, Rubio, Smart
6-2: Lillard, Kyrie, Bryn Forbes, DRose, Seth
6-1: CP3, Conley, Spida Mitchell, Ice Trae, Scary Terry
6-0: Kemba, Lowry, Trey Burke, Ish Smith, Shabazz Napier
5-11: Carsen Edwards
5-10: JJ Barea
5-9: IT

Again, head height alert — wingspan and standing reach are more important in hoops. Though I would guess head height counts for something in terms of vision on your shots and passes, same as for a football QB.
 
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Luka puts up 24 points on 9-16 shooting but adds 14 boards and eight dimes.

I know Sprtsguy33 is beating the Doncic, MVP candidate drum hard and while Simmons' takes of late have suggested that maybe he isn't as up on the NBA as he used to be, I am kind of with him on this. If the Mavericks compete for a playoff spot and Luka can sustain his production, he will get consideration. Obviously, Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron, Harden, Embiid and maybe even Lillard are all going to be well ahead of him but Luka seems to be getting into that next tier. The caveat is that its early days and Doncic needs to improve his shooting efficiency to really make the leap. But I will be shocked if he doesn't.
 

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Luka puts up 24 points on 9-16 shooting but adds 14 boards and eight dimes.

I know Sprtsguy33 is beating the Doncic, MVP candidate drum hard and while Simmons' takes of late have suggested that maybe he isn't as up on the NBA as he used to be, I am kind of with him on this. If the Mavericks compete for a playoff spot and Luka can sustain his production, he will get consideration. Obviously, Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron, Harden, Embiid and maybe even Lillard are all going to be well ahead of him but Luka seems to be getting into that next tier. The caveat is that its early days and Doncic needs to improve his shooting efficiency to really make the leap. But I will be shocked if he doesn't.
It's a matter of when, not if, for him being a perennial MVP candidate. Excited to watch him against the Celtics on Monday.
 

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The caveat is that its early days and Doncic needs to improve his shooting efficiency to really make the leap. But I will be shocked if he doesn't.
He’s averaging 28.5 points per 36 on .609 true shooting. It took LeBron till his sixth NBA season to sniff that combo of usage and efficiency.

The “early days” caveat still applies. But be very afraid if there’s another “leap” coming in terms of efficiency (which at age 20 there may well be).

Still can’t stop thinking about the Sacramento Kangz. :-(
 

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I bleed Orange, but †his guy is tiresome.

Jimmy B was pretty outspoken about Dion and his enormous ego

Syracuse, hands down, has produced the most underachieving picks over the last 15 season. It's really pathetic.
You don’t want to include Derrick Coleman?
 

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Luka puts up 24 points on 9-16 shooting but adds 14 boards and eight dimes.

I know Sprtsguy33 is beating the Doncic, MVP candidate drum hard and while Simmons' takes of late have suggested that maybe he isn't as up on the NBA as he used to be, I am kind of with him on this. If the Mavericks compete for a playoff spot and Luka can sustain his production, he will get consideration. Obviously, Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron, Harden, Embiid and maybe even Lillard are all going to be well ahead of him but Luka seems to be getting into that next tier. The caveat is that its early days and Doncic needs to improve his shooting efficiency to really make the leap. But I will be shocked if he doesn't.
It's gotta be Giannis, but Luca is up there. Trae isn't even that far behind. What a draft last year was.
 

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Battle of the ex-Celtic superstars right now with Kyrie taking on Baynes. Aron so far looking like he’s gonna bump up his 8.0 O-BPM tonight.
 

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Battle of the ex-Celtic superstars right now with Kyrie taking on Baynes. Aron so far looking like he’s gonna bump up his 8.0 O-BPM tonight.
Kyrie is -31 for his 15 minutes in the first half. If he hadn't sat for 9 minutes, the Suns might be up by 50.
 

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The Phoenix Suns everyone. Just beating up on the Nets. BKNY can come back but its going to be a tall order.

Edited to remove American History X reference - apologies for offending anyone.
 
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Nets down by 20 in 4th. Assuming they don't mount huge comeback, they're going to be under .500.