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Speaking of Memphis, I just noticed Josh Jackson was in the developmental league.
I think JJJ missed a few games because he injured his knee in a collision with Baynes. I didn’t see that he is in the D League.

With the way the lottery is set up now I can’t get too high or too low on how Memphis is playing. They do have some nice young players now though. Brandon Clarke has looked good in limited minutes so far.
 
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A couple other things

1. I'll never understand the Brandon Ingram hate especially when people love Jaylen Brown so much. The advanced metrics hated both of them coming into the year and Ingram is a year younger.
One was a Laker one was a Celtic.
 

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One was a Laker one was a Celtic.
I mean, Brown was tearing it up in the playoffs as a 21 year-old while Ingram was struggling. I know Brown had his struggles last year, but that data point outweighs a lot of stuff.

Good to see Ingram doing well--I admit to the Laker schadenfreude, but I think we are way too quick to dismiss young players who have obvious, fixable weakness (strength/age in Ingram's case).
 

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Him developing too much and hurting the pick. Although outside of him and Jackson (Jaren), there's not much there so it might not even matter if he does take a huge step next year. They will be way under the cap too though.
Fortunately it's a brutally thin FA class.
 

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One was a Laker one was a Celtic.
I think there's a pretty big defensive bias on this board as well. One way offensive players aren't really well liked, at least until they start winning. You can easily find a lot of posts on this board saying Devin Booker sucks too.
 

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Plus Ingram's distance shooting game wasn't much to write home about. You can shoot like Marcus Smart when you play defense like he does, but not when you play it like Ingram did.
 

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Yeah, I still don't like him. But his offense is improving. Enough that the Pelicans might be able to sucker someone like the Hawks into trading for him. That Nets pick they have is looking pretty valuable about now.
 

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A couple other things

1. I'll never understand the Brandon Ingram hate especially when people love Jaylen Brown so much. The advanced metrics hated both of them coming into the year and Ingram is a year younger.
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Honestly, a big reason people didn't like him was that he was part of the Lakers schadenfreude and for a few years felt like a blown draft pick (Along with Lonzo, Randle and Russell as people who were not as bad as some people made them out to be). I also think just physically, he looks strange because he is so skinny and lanky; he just didn't look like an NBA-ready player.
One was a Laker one was a Celtic.
bingo bingo.

If you read back over all the Laker and AD trade threads, it's basically months of wishcasting away what was pretty obvious: that the Lakers easily had the best package to offer for AD. Ingram in the stretch before his injury (or condition, or whatever) was balling for the Lakers last year. This break out is no shock.
 

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bingo bingo.

If you read back over all the Laker and AD trade threads, it's basically months of wishcasting away what was pretty obvious: that the Lakers easily had the best package to offer for AD. Ingram in the stretch before his injury (or condition, or whatever) was balling for the Lakers last year. This break out is no shock.
The Lakers weren't able to complete the deal until they threw in a lot of unprotected picks and swaps. They definitely had the best package, but it's purely because of that. Calling it "wishcasting" wrt Ingram isn't comparing apples to apples and is very revisionist.

If Ingram turns into a star, the Pelicans are way ahead of where they thought they'd be with this trade.
 

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He might be better than the Pels expected, but Griffin was on record before he starting running the Pels about how much he loved Ingram, which is one of the reasons it wasn't surprising that the deal got done. Not saying Ingram's improvement so far was totally predictable, but Ingram was referred to very dismissively and that always struck me as more about fan bias than actual analysis.
 

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I mean, Brown was tearing it up in the playoffs as a 21 year-old while Ingram was struggling. I know Brown had his struggles last year, but that data point outweighs a lot of stuff.
Once Jaylen figured out his role last year I felt he was really good despite the awkward circumstances of having so many ball dominate wings along with Kyrie and Rozier. I still maintain he grew quite a bit as a player and if he has a big year this season, as I expect, this will cement my feelings about his play last season and not just my mind playing tricks on me.
 

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Javale Mcgee continues to have the worst awareness in the league. Just held the ball as the shot clock expired, no clue how much time was left.
 

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Trae Young is really damn good. 29 points (28 in the second half with 16 in the fourth) and 13 assists in Atlanta's dispatching of the Popoviches down in the ATL 108-100.
 

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Impressive comeback for the Lakers at the Bulls, mostly with AD and LBJ on the bench somehow, down 18 midway through the 3rd but a 24-4 run to start the 4th has them up 7 currently.
 

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6 in a row for the Lakers since losing opening night to ClipsTown, 6 of their next 7 at home now.
 

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Interesting closing line-up on the floor for OKC vs the Magic. They have Adams and Gallinari but then surround them with Paul, SGA and Schroder. SGA (leading scorer for OKC and looking great) obviously has some length but he is still at a weight disadvantage to all of the beef that Orlando is slinging.
 

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He’s on a mission this year. Both he and AD feel they have a lot to prove in the first 82 and not only the playoffs.
The Laker over is looking pretty smart right now. It's not only those two, but Dwight Howard is also on a mission.
They have some nice 3pt snipers in Green/Cook.
They've wisely spread out the talent and have Kuzma coming off the bench.
Even Caruso is adding value.
 
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Interesting closing line-up on the floor for OKC vs the Magic. They have Adams and Gallinari but then surround them with Paul, SGA and Schroder. SGA (leading scorer for OKC and looking great) obviously has some length but he is still at a weight disadvantage to all of the beef that Orlando is slinging.
The thing about Orlando's beef is that it's not that skilled or threatening offensively, so you can get away with a lot weight-wise as long as you keep length out there.
 

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Interesting closing line-up on the floor for OKC vs the Magic. They have Adams and Gallinari but then surround them with Paul, SGA and Schroder. SGA (leading scorer for OKC and looking great) obviously has some length but he is still at a weight disadvantage to all of the beef that Orlando is slinging.
I remain on the Thunder train for my "will end up above expectations" team. I know just 3-4 so far, but really love the Shai/CP3 combo, and Gallo is a really good player. Every chance Gallo that gets injured and/or CP3 traded, but as constituted I like them even in the competitive West.
 

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Ben Simmons injures right shoulder after 10 minutes, done for night. Jazz up at halftime, 58-56.
 

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In the Magic @ Mavs game, Dallas is leading 107-106 with less than a minute left. Dallas can't score and Aaron Gordon gets the ball off a screen and proceeds to commit an offensive foul. The Mavericks then lose the ball again when Luka tosses it away (a relatively inefficient night for him despite scoring 27 points - he was 10-21 and 1-6 from deep) and Gordon again uses his off arm to shove his defender and gets whistled for the second offensive foul in a row. Then Seth Curry misses both of his FT. Orlando gets and misses the last look - Vucevic clanks a three - so Dallas hangs on for the win.

The Early Season NBA...its NOT fantastic
 

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The Jazz beat the 76ers in Utah after four straight losses in previous match-ups.

Spida led the Jazz in scoring 24 on 10-23 shooting but the Jazz true stars were Gobert on the boards and defense as well as Boban who went for 20 points a six boards. Embiid went for 27 but most of his work was done at the foul line and on rebounds (16) while Richardson scored 24.
 

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The Bucks are really good at getting out to big 1H leads.

The Bucks are also really good at blowing big 2H leads.
 

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Mark Jackson sure is a treasure.

(Giannis misses 15-foot jumper) "Giannis with the mid-range shot there. I LIKE THAT SHOT!"

And this is why you are in the broadcast booth Mark.
 

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In the Magic @ Mavs game, Dallas is leading 107-106 with less than a minute left. Dallas can't score and Aaron Gordon gets the ball off a screen and proceeds to commit an offensive foul. The Mavericks then lose the ball again when Luka tosses it away (a relatively inefficient night for him despite scoring 27 points - he was 10-21 and 1-6 from deep) and Gordon again uses his off arm to shove his defender and gets whistled for the second offensive foul in a row. Then Seth Curry misses both of his FT. Orlando gets and misses the last look - Vucevic clanks a three - so Dallas hangs on for the win.

The Early Season NBA...its NOT fantastic
I watched the last two minutes via NBA CrunchTime (which I'm still trying to get used to, it's a bit of a strange thing). This is an accurate description. Fun was not had.
 

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Are we really going to act like Drummond isn't the star of that video?
MaMo's 4th tech... leading the NBA in technical fouls...predictable

His offensive stats look fantastic, yet to post 1 positive plus/minus game...also predictable
 

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yuck, it's turning into the European soccer league

I can't believe that wasn't overturned
It’s just awful management/supervision by the league.

Tell the refs to do their job and make the best call they can based on the video evidence, and the problem goes away in a week.

You’re running a fucking entertainment business, not protecting some sacred referee due process. This shit isn’t hard.
 

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So embarrassing that this wasn't overturned. Watching the official confidently tell Lou later in the game that there was contact with this shoulder was comical......Ok, so Bledsoe made contact with Lou's shoulder on a dribble drive (maybe a graze at best). Now htf is that an offensive foul on Lou? Straight out of the WWE.
Yup, this is an organizational management issue. The refs are reluctant to look bad by changing calls, and the league needs to step in and say they want them to do so.

It always amazes me when organizations with unilateral authority don’t handle simple things like this.
 

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DLo with 49 on 18-34 shooting including a game tying bucket at the end of regulation as well as nine boards. The TWolves are leading the Dubs 120-116 with ~two minutes left in OT.

Wiggins! has 37 points on 16-31 shooting and seven dimes.
 

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Oof, have to feel a little for Big Al, misses a good look 3 pointer that would have sealed the game in Denver then Jokic hits a tough jumper to go up 1 with 1.2 to play. Nuggets outscoring Sixers 33-13 in the 4th.
 

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Then Jokic induces Embiid into committing an offensive foul on an inbounds pass. This was a huge comeback for the Nuggets - they were down 19 at one point during the second half. Denver ends up winning the fourth 35-13.
 

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And Utah, led by 30 points (8-17, 4-8 from deep) from Bojan Bogdanovich - a player born to be on this incarnation of the Jazz if ever there was one - are pulling away from the Bucks in SLC. They are up six with 54 seconds to go.

Edit: And despite Giannis also fouling out, the Bucks come back and tie it at 100 on FTs off the back of a Gobert foul on Middleton. 8 seconds left...