No Offense, But.... (The 2024 Summer Transfer Window Thread)

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Worth noting that those numbers are well below what his PSG contract was. Rough details were:
€180 million signing bonus spread over 3 years
€80 million loyalty bonus (he forfeited that this summer)
€30+ base salary

If Mbappe had stayed all three seasons at PSG, he would have made north of €630 million in three seasons, about €210 million per season. Rumors at the time were the Madrid’s offer was comparable to this. Overall, Real Madrid will end up paying (or not getting, when it comes to the image rights) about €500 million over five season, so about €100 million per season. It’s a staggering figure, but oil money dwarfs it.
 

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Is there any possibility those Mbappe numbers are being reported net of taxes, as is customary in Spain?
 

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Is there any possibility those Mbappe numbers are being reported net of taxes, as is customary in Spain?
They are pre-tax numbers. His post tax salary is a little more than €15 million. If you take the bonus as the equivalent as the transfer fee that they did not have to pay, the actual payout is not a ton for RM.

Additional context- Kroos is retiring along with his reported team high €27.5 million salary. Modric likely has one season left on his high salary, which will free up more money to address any holes in defense.

I liked it better when RM were spending stupid money on bad transfers and aging stars. This has the potential to go poorly, but that’s probably more wishful thinking on my part.
 

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I think Guido's a fine enough player, but he's a stabilizer type for Barca, not someone to build around. I'm sure Flick is looking to improve at the pivot, but I also imagine he'd rather mold a young player with attributes he prioritizes.

The problem here is that Barca won't be patient with Flick and if he falters badly this year, who knows if he will survive to see a second season in Catalunya. Perhaps that's the gambit here--that Flick is banking on at least 2 seasons and is willing to experience some pain this season in order to set the club up for real success next. I mean, the truth is Barca at its worst still finishes top 4 9/10. So he will be measured on whether he competes for the title or not, and how the club performs in UCL.
 

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I think Guido's a fine enough player, but he's a stabilizer type for Barca, not someone to build around. I'm sure Flick is looking to improve at the pivot, but I also imagine he'd rather mold a young player with attributes he prioritizes.

The problem here is that Barca won't be patient with Flick and if he falters badly this year, who knows if he will survive to see a second season in Catalunya. Perhaps that's the gambit here--that Flick is banking on at least 2 seasons and is willing to experience some pain this season in order to set the club up for real success next. I mean, the truth is Barca at its worst still finishes top 4 9/10. So he will be measured on whether he competes for the title or not, and how the club performs in UCL.
I have to assume that Atletico makes a run for him, especially if it is a free transfer. Atletico needs someone to support Koke, and while I'd prefer a younger player who has space to grow and become a foundational piece for the future, I'd rather Atletico save its limited transfer money on a defender or striker. Plus, Simeone does love Argentine players.
 

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Barca are reportedly in on Mikel Merino, who will be a hot commodity. Real Sociedad did a great job taking the Champions League money and using it to lock in their current stars, but Merino didn’t want a new contract. He was always going to be sold this summer, and I expect La Real to wait until after the Euros to do so. They apparently want the to Joaos back. I’m not entirely sure what Joao Felix has done except for one particularly devastating goal at Betis in January to make it worthwhile. Cancelo had to play LB for the second half of the season after Balde got hurt, but he was culpable defensively on several high profile goals. But Barca has to ensure that Jorge Mendes gets paid I suppose.

I think Guido's a fine enough player, but he's a stabilizer type for Barca, not someone to build around. I'm sure Flick is looking to improve at the pivot, but I also imagine he'd rather mold a young player with attributes he prioritizes.

The problem here is that Barca won't be patient with Flick and if he falters badly this year, who knows if he will survive to see a second season in Catalunya. Perhaps that's the gambit here--that Flick is banking on at least 2 seasons and is willing to experience some pain this season in order to set the club up for real success next. I mean, the truth is Barca at its worst still finishes top 4 9/10. So he will be measured on whether he competes for the title or not, and how the club performs in UCL.
I’ve been more than critical of Barca’s recruitment of older players at the expense of younger ones, but Guido made a ton of sense. He’s free, plays a position of need, he’s a high quality player, he can distribute well, and did I mention he’s free? Barca B have two highly rated 6s, the two Marcs (Bernal and Casado). IIRC Xavi was going to bring them both on the summer tour. Casado in particular looks close to ready and captains Barca B. Having one or both learn the position under the tutelage of Guido made so much sense to me.

It seems to me that the club’s most pressing needs are at winger, both in terms of the current roster and prospects. Flick likes wingers who stay wide and get their cleats white, as the old saying goes, and young Lamine Yamal is the only player right now who looks to be the team long term.
 

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Barca are reportedly in on Mikel Merino, who will be a hot commodity. Real Sociedad did a great job taking the Champions League money and using it to lock in their current stars, but Merino didn’t want a new contract. He was always going to be sold this summer, and I expect La Real to wait until after the Euros to do so. They apparently want the to Joaos back. I’m not entirely sure what Joao Felix has done except for one particularly devastating goal at Betis in January to make it worthwhile. Cancelo had to play LB for the second half of the season after Balde got hurt, but he was culpable defensively on several high profile goals. But Barca has to ensure that Jorge Mendes gets paid I suppose.



I’ve been more than critical of Barca’s recruitment of older players at the expense of younger ones, but Guido made a ton of sense. He’s free, plays a position of need, he’s a high quality player, he can distribute well, and did I mention he’s free? Barca B have two highly rated 6s, the two Marcs (Bernal and Casado). IIRC Xavi was going to bring them both on the summer tour. Casado in particular looks close to ready and captains Barca B. Having one or both learn the position under the tutelage of Guido made so much sense to me.

It seems to me that the club’s most pressing needs are at winger, both in terms of the current roster and prospects. Flick likes wingers who stay wide and get their cleats white, as the old saying goes, and young Lamine Yamal is the only player right now who looks to be the team long term.
I disagree. Yamal and Raph are perfectly capable starters on Day 1. Ferran isn't at his best hugging the touchline, but he's comfortable playing wide (although I do think his best position is in the middle).

More importantly, there's noise that Julian Alvarez wants out of MANC because of PT. Makes a ton of sense. I saw a clickbait headline that said a La Liga club was interested and was devastated when it was Atleti and not Barca. If that comes to pass, the Aguero vibes will be STRONK.
 

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I disagree. Yamal and Raph are perfectly capable starters on Day 1. Ferran isn't at his best hugging the touchline, but he's comfortable playing wide (although I do think his best position is in the middle).

More importantly, there's noise that Julian Alvarez wants out of MANC because of PT. Makes a ton of sense. I saw a clickbait headline that said a La Liga club was interested and was devastated when it was Atleti and not Barca. If that comes to pass, the Aguero vibes will be STRONK.
I think we just look at this differently. I don’t consider Raphina Barca level and if the Saudi’s can calling I’d say “yes” before they gave me a number. Torres is more of a tweener/9. I’d go all in for Nico if he was available to play opposite Yamal. Seems like you rate Raphina and the Shark higher than me, which is fine and you watch them more closely than I do.

Regardless the use of resources is questionable. They are looking at CAMs like Merino when they already have Fermin, Pedro, Gavi, and Gundo in a pinch and Flick plays a 4-2-3-1. I know, I know, injuries but how many guys do they want for one spot? Barca B has a really highly rated youngster too (blanking on the name) and no wingers in the fold. Limited money, I would personally look at wide players. Again, if you like Torres and Raph for Barca then you’re going to see it differently.
 

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I think we just look at this differently. I don’t consider Raphina Barca level and if the Saudi’s can calling I’d say “yes” before they gave me a number. Torres is more of a tweener/9. I’d go all in for Nico if he was available to play opposite Yamal. Seems like you rate Raphina and the Shark higher than me, which is fine and you watch them more closely than I do.

Regardless the use of resources is questionable. They are looking at CAMs like Merino when they already have Fermin, Pedro, Gavi, and Gundo in a pinch and Flick plays a 4-2-3-1. I know, I know, injuries but how many guys do they want for one spot? Barca B has a really highly rated youngster too (blanking on the name) and no wingers in the fold. Limited money, I would personally look at wide players. Again, if you like Torres and Raph for Barca then you’re going to see it differently.
Fair points. I was just putting more weight into Barca's financial situation. If Raph can be sold for even money or profit, I agree the club think about it long and hard. But if that's not the case, I wouldn't be in a rush to move him. He's an exceptional player and I give many players a pass on performance under Xavi.

Barca do have 2 potential pivots at Barca B in Cascado and ??? (the name escapes me). But that really should be the first priority.

Have you heard anything about Alvarez to Atleti?
 

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Fair points. I was just putting more weight into Barca's financial situation. If Raph can be sold for even money or profit, I agree the club think about it long and hard. But if that's not the case, I wouldn't be in a rush to move him. He's an exceptional player and I give many players a pass on performance under Xavi.

Barca do have 2 potential pivots at Barca B in Cascado and ??? (the name escapes me). But that really should be the first priority.

Have you heard anything about Alvarez to Atleti?
Marc Benal is the other pivot, and he’s much younger. Casado seems ready to step in right now though, at least from what I’m hearing. I would like to find a decent way to watch a little 3rd tier Spanish soccer but so far no luck.

Atleti are reaching out to the Alvarez camp to see if he has any interest. They’re busy trimming salary fat
with some of the veteran players and would likely sell Morata to make the numbers work. No doubt they are highlighting the Argentina connection with De Paul, Molina, Correa, and of course Cholo. Man City under Pep have the reputation of moving players who don’t want to be there and apparently want €70 million (or is it pounds?) for him. Chelsea are the leading candidates according to the rumor mill, but they probably need to sell themselves another hotel to make it happen. PSG are always in the mix too.
 

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The thread title proves prescient - Sesko signs a new deal with RB, removes his release clause and reportedly has a Haaland-like “gentleman’s agreement” on a transfer fee for next summer. A lot of EPL clubs were in on him.
 

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Atlético Madrid have been busy. Looks like they have in fact lined up Dovbyk who won the Pichichi last season on the final matchday. Le Normand from Real Sociedad, who likely will be part of Spain’s CB pairing, appears to be next. To clear room, young Samu Omorodiuon is set for a move to either Roma or Napoli. I like Samu a lot and thought he did well on loan at Alaves last season. He’s young and a bit awkward at times, but if he puts it all together he can be a beast at the 9.
 

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Atlético Madrid have been busy. Looks like they have in fact lined up Dovbyk who won the Pichichi last season on the final matchday. Le Normand from Real Sociedad, who likely will be part of Spain’s CB pairing, appears to be next. To clear room, young Samu Omorodiuon is set for a move to either Roma or Napoli. I like Samu a lot and thought he did well on loan at Alaves last season. He’s young and a bit awkward at times, but if he puts it all together he can be a beast at the 9.
Those would both be excellent and shrewd pickups.
 

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Those would both be excellent and shrewd pickups.
Agreed. Looks like both Real Sociedad and Girona are being raided for talent. On top of Dovbyk, Aleix Garcia looks like he’s headed to Bayer Leverkusen as the Germans look to deepen their squad. I do hope Girona reinvest in their squad as it’s starting to look like City don’t want the uncomfortable situation of playing Girona in the knockouts of the Champions League next season.

Sociedad sent five players to the Euros with Spain and might only return with three, but they seem better prepared for the losses. Le Normand is a heckuva defender but they still have Zubeldia and Elustondo, and Jon Pacheco made a nice jump last season. And young Jon Martin is waiting in the wings. Mikel Merino has one foot out of San Sebastián too, with many clubs including Barcelona gunning his services. The emergence of Beñat Turrientes last season softens the blow, and they already have Brais Mendes and Zahkarayn, as well as several youngsters that they like. It wouldn’t surprise me if Turrientes and Pacheco fetch similar money to Le Normand and Merino four or five years from now. Their cantera keeps on producing.
 

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⚫ Aleix Garcia to Bayer Leverkusen, here we go! Verbal agreement in place to sign Spanish midfielder from Girona.

Fee will be in excess of €18m, contract also set to be sorted. Xabi Alonso, crucial.

Medical tests booked this week after he was not called up for Euros.

View: https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1800972538186785240?s=46&t=XvGOrrWIyL-5CHVVL_0JYQ
5 Doner Kebabs that Aleix and Xabi are both in Madrid next summer. I'm already sad about it. Great pickup for Leverkusen. What are their goals for next season? Repeat league winners and UCL QFs? Treble?!?
 

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Chelsea weighing up a £40m move for Jhon Duran. Please please please - the Fire hold a sell on clause for an undisclosed percentage of a transfer from Villa.
 

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Here’s what’s up with Everton and Villa: Wverton have Lewis Dobbin, a decent young academy product, a winger. Homegrown. Villa have Tim Iroegbunam, a midfielder, also homegrown. Both players are valued in the 3-4M range. There are rumors that each club will sell their kid to the other for 10M. The sake gets booked immediately as pure 100% profit for FFP purposes, since they are homegrown so the base is 0. But the FFP hit for the corresponding purchase can be amortized over 5 years. Net is a substantial immediate improvement for both clubs in FFP position.

FWIW Everton are supposedly under the FFP limits and are free to spend this summer , while Villa re not.

All regurgitate from reputable posters on Everton Twitter. Too tired to post the links.
 

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I have a dim memory of UEFA instituting new player swap rules following the Juve-Barca swap involving Arthur (€72m) and Pjanic (€60m) back in 2021, but all I can find is reference to UEFA investigating whether or not the listed fees were improperly inflated. I hope they have their best guys on it.
 

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How often do swaps actually happen though?
I think the fact that the only one most people can think of was more of a dual sale that somehow allowed both clubs to get FFP compliant three years ago says everything.

Anyways, it looks like Weston will stay and other players will be going back to Villa.
 

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I have a dim memory of UEFA instituting new player swap rules following the Juve-Barca swap involving Arthur (€72m) and Pjanic (€60m) back in 2021, but all I can find is reference to UEFA investigating whether or not the listed fees were improperly inflated. I hope they have their best guys on it.
Any time you can replicate a transfer deal that got one of the clubs involved in significant legal trouble, you simply gotta go for it.
 

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Swaps SHOULD be a thing to enable FFP compliance. But what do I know.

The offsetting sale of academy kids between Villa and Everton looks like it's moving forward, so maybe that will be the way to do the same thing.
 

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Swaps SHOULD be a thing to enable FFP compliance. But what do I know.

The offsetting sale of academy kids between Villa and Everton looks like it's moving forward, so maybe that will be the way to do the same thing.
How does that work? I sell you mine and vice versa. The outgoings count now and the incomings are amortized?
 

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How does that work? I sell you mine and vice versa. The outgoings count now and the incomings are amortized?
Academy products have a book cost of zero. All sale money can be booked immediately and there is no purchase price to offset. The incoming player cost is spread over the contract length (limited to 5 years now). If you then sold that new player you could book the incoming money minus any remaining amortized payments. So in a 5 year or longer contract, if you sell the player after 1 year, you need to account for 80% of the contract as an offsetting cost. This makes academy grads the most profitable to sell, because you can spend 5x their price on replacement player(s).
 

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Not so fast? Not gonna happen, but I think MLS teams should regularly check in with our best domestic players.
I don’t think you’re wrong from the league perspective, but our best domestic players would be dumb to make that move from a competitive perspective.
 

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Not going to dignify the dodgy source (Telegraph) with a link, but Newcastle rumored to be moving on Calvert-Lewin.

That would hurt.
 

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DCL yo Newcastle shaping up to be another PSL double - Gambia international Yakubah Minteh going the other way. Minteh, 19, a winger, had 10 goals and 5 assists on loan at Feyenoord.
 

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DCL yo Newcastle shaping up to be another PSL double - Gambia international Yakubah Minteh going the other way. Minteh, 19, a winger, had 10 goals and 5 assists on loan at Feyenoord.
Newcastle trying striker by committee: Isak, Wilson and DCL all have trouble staying on the pitch for long stretches

otoh, Villa trying to re-assemble other Everton misfits with Barkley and Dobbins

edit: with Olise going to Bayern, the English-fication of the German club continues. No longer will they feed the German NT
 
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I have a dim memory of UEFA instituting new player swap rules following the Juve-Barca swap involving Arthur (€72m) and Pjanic (€60m) back in 2021, but all I can find is reference to UEFA investigating whether or not the listed fees were improperly inflated. I hope they have their best guys on it.
I think the "improperly inflated" is the key here - swaps (and technically as OCST pointed out in the Everton thread this is not a swap, but effectively it is) are okay, but you can't do it by inflating values. 10 million pounds is at the high end but still within the realm of plausibility for a young English player who's played (albeit very sparingly) in the PL
 

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It’s the kind of nonsense you should expect to see when you make rules that make it a game of accountants and executives instead of on the pitch.

Profit and Sustainability continues to be about haves keeping the have nots at bay. Even messing around at the margins like this won’t make it possible for a club like Villa or Everton to truly compete and that’s absolutely rotten. I’ve been consistent on this from day 1 but this has always been turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.