No Offense, But.... (The 2024 Summer Transfer Window Thread)

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Profit and Sustainability continues to be about haves keeping the have nots at bay. Even messing around at the margins like this won’t make it possible for a club like Villa or Everton to truly compete and that’s absolutely rotten. I’ve been consistent on this from day 1 but this has always been turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.
Meh, these owners aren't fools. Most mid-to-low table PL clubs support the PSR rules out of self-interest. Very few clubs in that bracket are thinking about competing for the PL title. They're thinking about staying up and giving their supporters PL football and they don't want to live in a world where they need to lose a hundred million pounds a year in order to avoid relegation.
 

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Guiu is pretty promising. Surprised that Barca let him go for (E)6M. Perhaps the player rebuffed an attempt to increase wages/increase release clause, but that would be surprising considering he's almost certainly from Catalunya and not only played first team minutes, but also scored a goal or 2.
 

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Guiu is pretty promising. Surprised that Barca let him go for (E)6M. Perhaps the player rebuffed an attempt to increase wages/increase release clause, but that would be surprising considering he's almost certainly from Catalunya and not only played first team minutes, but also scored a goal or 2.
He’s Catalan and did score two goals for Barcelona, one in La Liga and one in the Champions League. It looks like he was demanding guarantees from Barcelona in terms of playing time that the club couldn’t guarantee. I’m curious to see if there is a buyback clause, but I doubt it.

Speaking of Barcelona and buyback clauses, it looks like they’re close to selling Mikayil Faye to Porto for around €15 million, 10x what they just paid for him just a year ago. That deal would include a buyback clause.

It pains me greatly to even mention it, but Johnny is getting interest from around Europe. If Betis can get a significant profit for only a few months, it’ll be hard to say no, especially if they can sign Guido after the Barcelona debacle. Roma, Juve, and PSG are reportedly interested.
 

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Real Madrid with another nice piece of business. They took Joselu on a loan with buy option from Espanyol. Joselu scored a massively important goal in the Champions League, but with Mbappe and Endrick coming in he is now not needed at RM. Real Madrid will trigger the buy option at €1.5 million then sell him to the Saudi Pro League, keeping the difference as profit.

The club’s net spending over the last decade is absurdly low compared to their trophies, below clubs like Crystal Palace, Everton, and Bournemouth. Smart moves like this are part of the reason.

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Apparently PSG had a €110m bid for Kravatskhelia swatted away. This story is going to stretch on all summer.
 

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I confused myself with the teams needing to sell players to meet PSR guidelines before the start of the transfer window

anyhow, KDH to Chelsea is done
I don’t know how it works in England, but in Spain there is usually a flurry of activity to get to at least a balanced budget for the previous season by July 1, allowing normal transfer activity for the following season.
 

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I don’t know how it works in England, but in Spain there is usually a flurry of activity to get to at least a balanced budget for the previous season by July 1, allowing normal transfer activity for the following season.
From my understanding that is how it works in England too. The window has been open, but the windows don't line up with the accounting year for PSR, which closes on June 30th. So if you're in a bad accounting spot you need to sell and make some cash before then. And teams that are close to their PSR limits wait until after that date to buy. It's an odd way to do things, but I guess it is fair to teams by giving them a chance to make things up if they have surprises during the year, and it's not so late that it freezes the market for big chunks of the window as the profitable teams (or ones good at faking it) wait for the reset.
 

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It looks like Newcastle have found a dilution by selling Minteh to Brighton & Anderson to Forest. Not great business, but it’ll work right now.

as far as Gordon to Liverpool - despite having an extremely punchable face and style of play that drives opposing fans insane, he’d be a great addition under different conditions.

First, it would be stupid to ship out Qaunsah now. He’s on a path to being a core player for the next decade-plus. That’s just huge for roster construction, wage structure management, and fan engagement.

Second, the deals doesn’t need a LW at the moment. Despite all the smoke around Diaz meeting with Barca, I don’t understand - A. How Barca can afford anything right now and B. Why paying a premium to pry Diaz from LFC is preferable to paying the release clause for Nico Williams, a player who has expressed desire to play for Barca.

There is the Gakpo question, tho. He is best as a wide-left playmaker. Klopp could never quite mold Gakpo into Firmino 2.0 - hard pressing false 9 who connected midfield and attack who also making impeccably timed runs. (Spoiler alert - there’ll never be another quite like Bobby.) Anyway, Slot’s tactical preference so far has been for overloads in the middle of the pitch so that the wings and fullbacks have space to overlap or go heads up 1v1.

Gordon is much better in this role than Gakpo, but it doesn’t change the fact that LFC have to do something with Gakpo. Bringing in Gordon and then creating a roster logjam means other clubs are going to try to make off with a steal. It’s better to get Gakpo into camp and work on a new role, see what can be done, and then make a plan for the player’s future.
 

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Le Normand to Atletico Madrid is done. This probably works for everyone. Atleti get a very good ball playing CB who probably better suits how they play now, and a starter for the national team. Real Sociedad get some cash that they have shown a great skill at reinvesting. They have a decent amount of depth at CB, not including whoever they have in their cantera. The club had probably peaked, and Le Normand is definitely a Champions League caliber player.

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Semenyo re-ups at Bournemouth. There must have been bigger clubs in on him after a good season but the Cherries keep him in the fold.
 

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I’m fine with this from an Everton standpoint. Onana is a massive talent and an immature kid. He made a lot of noise about how much he loved EFC when he was clearly angling for a move to a “bigger” club- players do that but the whiff of insincerity was a bit hard to take. I’d prefer to get a bit more for him for FFP purposes but it’s solid business.

He loafed his way through matches sometimes. If he really switches on at Villa, watch out.
 

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doesn't 50M solve all of Everton's FFP problems?
It seems to have made it less likely they sell Branthwaite, at least.
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Aston Villa move for Amadou Onana (subject to completion) all-but ends any chance of Everton selling #MUFC target Jarrad Branthwaite this summer. Barring huge bids - Maguire, Fofana, Gvardiol benchmark - 22yo centre-back will stay at #EFC @TheAthleticFC
 

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The profit on Onana is not that much- we bought him for ~30 and we owe his old club 20% of any transfer fee- but it’s solid nonetheless.

Branthwaite is staying unless they get 70+

Calvert Lewin wants 130k/wk and so far they’re not biting so it looks like he’s in the shop window. That will hurt.
 

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Just hours after captaining Spain to Euro glory, Alvaro Morata is off to AC Milan. I like this for both club and the player as Morata’s role for Spain was similar to 2018 Giroud’s for France. Morata doesn’t score as much as we’d like, but he helps everyone else. You could argue that no player has been hurt more by VAR than Morata with his penchant for just being a tiny bit offsides.

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Just hours after captaining Spain to Euro glory, Alvaro Morata is off to AC Milan. I like this for both club and the player as Morata’s role for Spain was similar to 2018 Giroud’s for France. Morata doesn’t score as much as we’d like, but he helps everyone else. You could argue that no player has been hurt more by VAR than Morata with his penchant for just being a tiny bit offsides.

View: https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1812843478415528435?s=46&t=XvGOrrWIyL-5CHVVL_0JYQ
I'm happy for Morata -- he seems rather miserable in Spain, and because his wife is Italian, it is certainly possible that he ends up feeling more at home in Milan and finds the Italian soccer culture to be more welcoming and forgiving to him. Plus, there was no way Atletico was going to offer him another four years, and Atletico shouldn't have made that move since Atleti needs to get younger and I'd rather not be committed to a 35-year-old striker.

I'll note that the timing of the move is a bit odd since about a week ago Morata indicated his desire to stay with Atletico and win a title with the club . . . and then only to make a statement a few days later that he's open to leaving given the treatment he receives in Spain.

Morata can still score and I like the guy, so I hope he has a few strong years with Pulisic and Musah the ones providing the assists.

With Morata and Memphis both gone, Atletico needs a quality, reliable striker, and it is not yet sure if the club has the resources to spend on someone who can add 20+ goals. Samu Omorodion, Carlos Martín, and Giuliano Simeone all have potential, but I'm not yet convinced they are ready to be the go-to goal-scorers Atletico needs to compete for La Liga and make a run in the Champions League. I hope that one or two stay with the club this year as back-ups to the player Atletico will sign.
 

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I'm happy for Morata -- he seems rather miserable in Spain, and because his wife is Italian, it is certainly possible that he ends up feeling more at home in Milan and finds the Italian soccer culture to be more welcoming and forgiving to him. Plus, there was no way Atletico was going to offer him another four years, and Atletico shouldn't have made that move since Atleti needs to get younger and I'd rather not be committed to a 35-year-old striker.

I'll note that the timing of the move is a bit odd since about a week ago Morata indicated his desire to stay with Atletico and win a title with the club . . . and then only to make a statement a few days later that he's open to leaving given the treatment he receives in Spain.

Morata can still score and I like the guy, so I hope he has a few strong years with Pulisic and Musah the ones providing the assists.

With Morata and Memphis both gone, Atletico needs a quality, reliable striker, and it is not yet sure if the club has the resources to spend on someone who can add 20+ goals. Samu Omorodion, Carlos Martín, and Giuliano Simeone all have potential, but I'm not yet convinced they are ready to be the go-to goal-scorers Atletico needs to compete for La Liga and make a run in the Champions League. I hope that one or two stay with the club this year as back-ups to the player Atletico will sign.
Pretty sure that Dovbyk is walking through that door. I am a huge believer in Samu too. I think when people see him, they see the obvious athleticism he possesses- he’s HUGE in person and extremely fast when he gets going. But he has skills too and gets himself into great spots on the field. If he can put it all together, he’s a starter for Spain imo. He scored 8 goals last season at Alaves which is a pretty good return, and if you watch him you can see that he could’ve scored more.

Morata has been open lately about his struggles mentally and how talking to others has helped him out. Hopefully getting away from home will help, along with the Euro win.
 

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The two big tournaments have obviously been a major factor but I can't remember a transfer window this slow in recent memory, even in other years with summer tournaments. I think its a perfect storm of the tournaments, new PSR regulations domestically in England and at the European level, and the precarious financial state of so many clubs outside England.

If you look at incoming transfers over 20m euro at the biggest clubs in Europe, only Bayern has completed more than one.

Real - None (Mbappe was free, Endrick deal was agreed ages ago)
Barcelona - None
Atletico - None
Bayern - The busy exception with Olise, Palhinha, and Ito.
BVB - Anton
Juventus - Douglas Luiz in a PSR deal with Villa
Inter - Frattesi
Milan - None
Napoli - Buongiorno
PSG - None
Arsenal - None (Raya made permanent but that was always happening)
Liverpool - None
City - None
Spurs - Gray
Chelsea - Dewsbury-Hall (Estevao not technically bought until next year).
United - Zirkzee
 
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Manager wants him. The fans are up in arms about it, and they are known to be a vocal bunch. This will not go well.
When Juventus were sniffing around the fans went on an angry letter-writing campaign against it. We never heard about him again. No clue if it worked or if the money was what didn't fit.
 

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The two big tournaments have obviously been a major factor but I can't remember a transfer window this slow in recent memory, even in other years with summer tournaments. I think its a perfect storm of the tournaments, new PSR regulations domestically in England and at the European level, and the precarious financial state of so many clubs outside England.

If you look at incoming transfers over 20m euro at the biggest clubs in Europe, only Bayern has completed more than one.

Real - None (Mbappe was free, Endrick deal was agreed ages ago)
Barcelona - None
Atletico - None
Bayern - The busy exception with Olise, Palhinha, and Ito.
BVB - Anton
Juventus - Douglas Luiz in a PSR deal with Villa
Inter - Frattesi
Milan - None
Napoli - Buongiorno
PSG - None
Arsenal - None (Raya made permanent but that was always happening)
Liverpool - None
City - None
Spurs - Gray
Chelsea - Dewsbury-Hall (Estevao not technically bought until next year).
United - Zirkzee
Dortmund is buying Guirassy from Stuttgart. The problematic Part was/is his physical.
It will only cost 18 mil €, so it doesn‘t meet your criteria, though.
 

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Looks like Leny Yoro is off to Manchester United. Real Madrid rarely lose out on a player that they want, so this makes me happy.
 

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Looks like Leny Yoro is off to Manchester United. Real Madrid rarely lose out on a player that they want, so this makes me happy.
Yeah, I’m certainly no United fan but I think it’s good for the game for Real’s “take this lowball offer or the player joins us for free next summer” strategy to get knocked back a bit.. This looked a lot like the Camavinga deal.
 

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I looked into Yoro a good bit last month because Liverpool were in on him. It’s easy to see why - he’s an exact fit with what VVD, Konate, and Matip. Yoro has similar size, speed, and agility. You can play him in a high line and feel confident that he can chase down counters and win 1v1s consistently. It was easy to see him as Baby Virg.
 

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I do think we'll start seeing deals come thru now that the tournaments are over. No big name players moved because even if a deal was agreed, no buyer was going to send wires until they can at least see that the target didn't come off the field on a stretcher.

Not that he was on the move, but Pedri is the only notable player I can think of at Eurocup that came off injured. Not good for Barca with Gavi still rehabbing.

At the Copa, Messi is the one that stands out. But that looked to me like a 1-2 month ankle injury--not torn ligaments. But who knows.

Spurs should be one of the busiest clubs in the world in the transfer market over the next month. They need to move some pretty big name players, namely Hojbjerg, GLC, Emerson Royal (should be heading to AC Milan any day), Bryan Gil, and also possibly perhaps Bentancur, Reguilon, Manor Solomon (still such a weird transfer), Ollie Skipp (probably kept for homegrown purposes though), Djed Spence, and Veliz (loan likely).

There's talk in the Spurs sphere that the club still want to bring in a big name forward, with someone like Eze or Toney being the level in mind. I think both would count as homegrown as well. Conor Gallagher rumors persist, but I doubt it. Another CB would be welcome, but it's not too dire with Romero, VDV, and Dragusin in the fold. A backup keeper is also fairly high on the list.

Barca OTOH, are likely still hamstrung for money. It also wouldn't surprise me if the club stand pat mostly to let Flick see what he has first before reshaping the squad starting in the January window. But nothing surprises me with Barca anymore. If they were run like a business, they'd consider selling any player over the age of 26 with value and investing heavily in the academy to balance the books. But what that means in reality is that they will splash big money for Leao or something.
 

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I looked into Yoro a good bit last month because Liverpool were in on him. It’s easy to see why - he’s an exact fit with what VVD, Konate, and Matip. Yoro has similar size, speed, and agility. You can play him in a high line and feel confident that he can chase down counters and win 1v1s consistently. It was easy to see him as Baby Virg.
IMO, you can see all those traits and that kind of player eventually developing but right now he looks pretty raw (as one would expect of any 18-year-old).

I wonder if United still buy another CB this summer because I wouldn’t want to throw this kind of player right into the starting eleven.
 

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IMO, you can see all those traits and that kind of player eventually developing but right now he looks pretty raw (as one would expect of any 18-year-old).

I wonder if United still buy another CB this summer because I wouldn’t want to throw this kind of player right into the starting eleven.
That’s why it was exciting to think about Yoro coming in and apprenticing under VVD for a bit, joining the rotation, and emerging as top choice about the time Virg ages out or a new contract decision has to be made on Konate.

Nonetheless, United have also been rumored to be in on de Ligt. That guy is going to disappoint at every mega-club before he’s done.
 

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Nonetheless, United have also been rumored to be in on de Ligt. That guy is going to disappoint at every mega-club before he’s done.
QFT. He's quietly been one of the biggest disappointments in recent memory. Dude has absolutely everything but can't duct tape it together all at once.
 

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That’s why it was exciting to think about Yoro coming in and apprenticing under VVD for a bit, joining the rotation, and emerging as top choice about the time Virg ages out or a new contract decision has to be made on Konate.
That's really how he should be handled. Saliba was bought at similar age and went on loan for three years. Varane also bought at similar age and in his first three years at Madrid he started 7, 12, and 12 league matches. It looks like United will pay 62m euro initially with another 8m in potential bonuses, which is a massive fee for an 18-year-old. If they get De Ligt it should make it much easier to ease Yoro into the frame but if its just Yoro and Maguire (or Lindelof) as their RCBs then it won't be long before the entire fanbase is braying to start the kid.

I thought this video was pretty eye opening. You can see the physical traits but he dives in and goes to ground A LOT, which is totally different than how more mature CBs like VVD and Saliba who play this deeper role handle themselves. Those guys just never commit early and eat up dribblers once they commit first. He also definitely needs to add some upper body strength. With his current build he is going to get ragdolled by really powerful strikers like Ivan Toney, Michail Antonio, or Ollie Watkins.

 
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Barca OTOH, are likely still hamstrung for money. It also wouldn't surprise me if the club stand pat mostly to let Flick see what he has first before reshaping the squad starting in the January window. But nothing surprises me with Barca anymore. If they were run like a business, they'd consider selling any player over the age of 26 with value and investing heavily in the academy to balance the books. But what that means in reality is that they will splash big money for Leao or something.
Javier Tebas has indicated that Barcelona are very close to out of FFP jail. That of course just means that they can spend what they sell off, so if they want to pursue players they need to sell current players off. They’ve reported to be interested in bringing Dani Olmo home as Flick wants him. The Nico Williams saga will continue until the end of the transfer window. He just signed a new contract at Athletic Club with a slightly higher release clause but the buying club must pay it in full up front and pay all of the taxes, so it’s much higher than a normal €58 million sale. They also put him on a very high salary so Barca or any other club would need to exceed that to get him to leave. He and his brother have been pretty brotherly online too, so he might not want to leave regardless. He’s publicly said he’s happy at Athletic and the club have been pretty defiant about it all. Barca are said to be pursuing Mikel Merino but as part of a swap will La Real would get their choice of unwanted Barca CBs along with €25 million. You know, one of those “I’ll sweeten the pot by giving you something I don’t want” deals that exist only in the minds of the most delusional fans. I haven’t seen anything about Barca going after any DM and the deal for Guido collapsed when Xavi got canned. The would have thought that Zubimendi’s performance at the Euros would have sparked new rumors. He’s really a great player in a position of need. He won’t come cheap either though.
 

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That's really how he should be handled. Saliba was bought at similar age and went on loan for three years. Varane also bought at similar age and in his first three years at Madrid he started 7, 12, and 12 league matches. It looks like United will pay 62m euro initially with another 8m in potential bonuses, which is a massive fee for an 18-year-old. If they get De Ligt it should make it much easier to ease Yoro into the frame but if its just Yoro and Maguire (or Lindelof) as their RCBs then it won't be long before the entire fanbase is braying to start the kid.

I thought this video was pretty eye opening. You can see the physical traits but he dives in and goes to ground A LOT, which is totally different than how more mature CBs like VVD and Saliba who play this deeper role handle themselves. Those guys just never commit early and eat up dribblers once they commit first. He also definitely needs to add some upper body strength. With his current build he is going to get ragdolled by really powerful strikers like Ivan Toney, Michail Antonio, or Ollie Watkins.

It's an excellent point - becoming a bedrock CB requires time because so much of it is mental and the rest of it is developing a pro physique. For instance, VVD broke in at Groningen at 20 and made 62 appearances, then 76 at Celtic, and then 67 Southampton before moving to Anfield. By the time he got to Soton he was clearly up to EPL level and by the end of that first season, bigger clubs were swirling.

Liverpool rags are reporting Guehi is the next target, though Palace have no need to sell and Chelsea have both the right to match any offer as well as get a percentage of a sale. It's hard to imagine that anything short of a wild overpay can pry Guehi away.