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The 2 makes all the rest irrelevant.

Now the question is, would the outcome have been better if they picked, Lance, Fields or Mac?

The answer on two of them seems a clear no, but I still feel like Fields has been done wrong in Chicago, so maybe he could have been better.
It does punch a bit of a hole in the theory that has been floating in a lot of the BB and Mac threads that if Bill only used lots of early picks on other offensive players it would work. Dr
 

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The Douglas era is fascinating... they have had a terrible offense the entire time despite dumping a TON of premium picks into the offense.

In DOuglas's 4 drafts he has used four 1st round picks (all good ones too, 14, 11, 10, 2) on offense, along with FOur 2nds (59, 42, 36, 34) on offense.
Despite that here are their PPG ranks over that time
2023- 30th
2022- 29th
2021- 28th
2020- 32nd
It's the Giants problem with the o-line but spread across the entire offense.

I agree with the sentiment above that the 2 pick puts a huge cloud over whether any of the other guys (sans Garrett) are part of the problem.

I still think the Jets did the right thing avoiding Wentz. Whether this is his last shot or not, his track record suggests that he will give a team 8-10 games of decent to good QB play. But the bottom always seems to drop out at the worst possible time.

EDIT: Changed great to good, couldn't find strikethrough.
 
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The Jets not kicking the tires was absurd. The Jets lost their QB on the 4th play of the year and they did NOTHING but play the guy they know for sure cannot play QB in the NFL. They made no deals. They just went with the guy they know stinks.
I think the J E T S just suck at tanking unlike the Pats
 

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Here’s what I know: the NFL is way too dependent on quarterback play now. It’s made the game so much more one dimensional and dramatically weakened the overall product. It’s just mot worth slogging through a dozen or more garbage games every weekend for the handful of games with Mahomes/Burrow/Allen/Hurts. A team like the Rams should have enough talent with guys like Cupp to win games without needing a unicorn at QB as well.
It's not just an opinion it's a fact. Just look at the compensation of top level running backs versus quarterbacks over the last 30 years (relatively). Putting a guy on the field that is virtually impossible to tackle without a 15 yard penalty throwing to receivers you can't breath on ...
At least they're calling the pick plays on offense or things would be really crazy.
 

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Michael Thomas taken away by police after an altercation.

Michael Thomas was taken away by police on Friday afternoon after the Saints wide receiver got into an altercation with a contractor in his neighborhood, according to WDSU in New Orleans. It is unclear if Thomas was arrested
 

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The Bills have a really good offense, this is a bizaare move, the only problem with that offense is turnovers, not sure how the OC is supposed to be blamed for that.
Seeing lots of posts online from Bills fans happy with this firing. The INTs became an issue with the new OC. Play calling has been questionable. Not establishing the run. Not all of it on Josh.
 

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Seeing lots of posts online from Bills fans happy with this firing. The INTs became an issue with the new OC. Play calling has been questionable. Not establishing the run. Not all of it on Josh.
See the other thread, the Bills rank no worse than 3rd in many offensive categories. The problem is all the turnovers. And their defense STINKS.

This is a hasty, stupid move.
 

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Dan Campbell isn't going to stop taking calculated risks.
Asked Tuesday morning on 97.1 FM The Ticket's Stoney & Jansen show about his appetite for taking fourth-own risks, Campbell responded:
"Here's what I would say, because I tell my family this, just wear a diaper before some of these games," he said, via Will Burchfield of The Ticket. "I'll give them an alert and say, 'Put them on and be ready to roll.'"
https://www.nfl.com/news/lions-hc-dan-campbell-on-fourth-down-calls-just-wear-a-diaper-before-some-of-the
 

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Seeing lots of posts online from Bills fans happy with this firing. The INTs became an issue with the new OC. Play calling has been questionable. Not establishing the run. Not all of it on Josh.
I mean, the OC's job is to create successful plays, he's doing that at a high level. They have a bunch of fumbles and drops otherwise they'd be one of the top 3 offenses in the league. Every fanbase hates their playcalling. Josh McDaniels was putting up historic numbers for the Patriots and people wanted him fired every year. Fanbases are by and large mostly made up of idiots.
 

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See the other thread, the Bills rank no worse than 3rd in many offensive categories. The problem is all the turnovers. And their defense STINKS.

This is a hasty, stupid move.
Allen leads the NFL in turnovers, so they fire the OC. Who replaces him ... the QB coach, the guy responsible for working with Allen, who lead the NFL in turnovers.
Dorsey might not have been a great OC, but the logic pretzel here is hard to follow
 

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Allen leads the NFL in turnovers, so they fire the OC. Who replaces him ... the QB coach, the guy responsible for working with Allen, who lead the NFL in turnovers.
Dorsey might not have been a great OC, but the logic pretzel here is hard to follow
The logic is simple: the Bills are a horseshit organization and Coach Hardo is a horseshit coach who is sacrificing Dorsey to save his own skin.
 

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Seeing lots of posts online from Bills fans happy with this firing. The INTs became an issue with the new OC. Play calling has been questionable. Not establishing the run. Not all of it on Josh.
I’ve seen a lot of Bills football the past two years, and this strikes me as generic fan bitching about playcalling and wanting to deflect blame from the fan favorite QB.
 

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See the other thread, the Bills rank no worse than 3rd in many offensive categories. The problem is all the turnovers. And their defense STINKS.

This is a hasty, stupid move.
And an insecure one by a fake tough coach, who has never advanced past the divisional round, whose window is rapidly closing, and whose own seat should be scorching right now.
 

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See the other thread, the Bills rank no worse than 3rd in many offensive categories. The problem is all the turnovers. And their defense STINKS.

This is a hasty, stupid move.
Except Allen (2018) and Kincaid (2023) their first draft pick each year since 2015 has been a defensive player.
 

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This guy made an interesting video about the Bills offense.

View: https://youtu.be/pIDKWEzr_Kk?si=LKxLXqlJW-T-JHm5


The TLDR is that they're good at making big plays and bad at running the ball, which means analytics like EPA still really likes them even though they don't score enough points to win. He then goes on to say the run game is easily fixable. If he's right then dumping the OC is the right call, provided he's replaced with someone who knows how to fix the run game.
 

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Lots of friends that are informed football and Bills fans. A shared opinion regarding Josh’s regression: Josh is admittedly not much of a studier. They think Daboll was much more instructional in his play calls (if linebacker does this, look at X receiver) whereas Dorsey just sends in the play call.
 

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Lots of friends that are informed football and Bills fans. A shared opinion regarding Josh’s regression: Josh is admittedly not much of a studier. They think Daboll was much more instructional in his play calls (if linebacker does this, look at X receiver) whereas Dorsey just sends in the play call.
Seems like a perfect spot for McDaniels.
 

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Lots of friends that are informed football and Bills fans. A shared opinion regarding Josh’s regression: Josh is admittedly not much of a studier. They think Daboll was much more instructional in his play calls (if linebacker does this, look at X receiver) whereas Dorsey just sends in the play call.
There was an article or someone talking a month or so ago how Daboll used to show Josh Allen a ton of Brady footage. The focus of it was - he took the easy throw all the time. Don't be a super hero, hit the open guys and keep moving. I'm guessing that's gone now.
 

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Lots of friends that are informed football and Bills fans. A shared opinion regarding Josh’s regression: Josh is admittedly not much of a studier. They think Daboll was much more instructional in his play calls (if linebacker does this, look at X receiver) whereas Dorsey just sends in the play call.
Interesting point, but I would wonder how they would possibly know this ?
 

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See the other thread, the Bills rank no worse than 3rd in many offensive categories. The problem is all the turnovers. And their defense STINKS.

This is a hasty, stupid move.
Their defense stinks? #5 in the NFL in points allowed. #17 in yards allowed.

At worst I think it's "average". But "stinks" is too far.
 

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Their defense stinks? #5 in the NFL in points allowed. #17 in yards allowed.

At worst I think it's "average". But "stinks" is too far.
Allow me to rephrase: Hardo is calling the defensive plays and he continually puts them in a position to blow it at the end of halves and games. He dialed up a zero blitz last night which gave the Broncos field position to win the game.

They gave up 29 to MAC JONES.
 

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Allow me to rephrase: Hardo is calling the defensive plays and he continually puts them in a position to blow it at the end of halves and games. He dialed up a zero blitz last night which gave the Broncos field position to win the game.

They gave up 29 to MAC JONES.
Yes and I was reminded numerous times after that that they were missing something like 3-5 of their best defensive players for that game.
 

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Lots of friends that are informed football and Bills fans. A shared opinion regarding Josh’s regression: Josh is admittedly not much of a studier. They think Daboll was much more instructional in his play calls (if linebacker does this, look at X receiver) whereas Dorsey just sends in the play call.
Putting aside the source of this knowledge, this theory suggests that if defenses dont get set up until 15 seconds or fewer on the clock, that Allen is doomed.
 

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The logic is simple: the Bills are a horseshit organization and Coach Hardo is a horseshit coach who is sacrificing Dorsey to save his own skin.
McDermott has been very good for several years (not Great, but very good) but this does seem like a knee jerk reaction and the start of a downward slide. Bills have been all in, haven't had anything to show for it, and might already be thinking about a regime reboot for the new stadium.

To be clear I personally find McDermott to be very annoying but he has had good results.
 

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Putting aside the source of this knowledge, this theory suggests that if defenses dont get set up until 15 seconds or fewer on the clock, that Allen is doomed.
No, I think that’s more what McVay has been known to do with pre-snap reads. They were discussing that Daboll was supposedly better at helping spoon feed Josh more about what to look for with a particular playcall than just relaying in Spider 2 Y Banana.
 

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McDermott has been very good for several years (not Great, but very good) but this does seem like a knee jerk reaction and the start of a downward slide. Bills have been all in, haven't had anything to show for it, and might already be thinking about a regime reboot for the new stadium.

To be clear I personally find McDermott to be very annoying but he has had good results.
They have been on a downward slide since the moment they won their real super bowl in the 47-17 game. Since that moment they have done an immense amount of stepping on their own dicks, because they thought the division was theirs by default and because Coach Hardo is in completely over his head. They acted like they were owed the division and the Super Bowl and they are being punished for that.

Allen is still a turnover machine, Hardo has now pushed out both Frazier and Dorsey and they haven't improved one inch from 47-17.
 

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And an insecure one by a fake tough coach, who has never advanced past the divisional round, whose window is rapidly closing, and whose own seat should be scorching right now.
This is incorrect. They made the AFC Championship game in the 2020-21 season, lost to KC. It wasn’t a competitive game.
 

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This is incorrect. They made the AFC Championship game in the 2020-21 season, lost to KC. It wasn’t a competitive game.
Coach Hardo has lost playoff games to both Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone. They lost to KC in the 13 seconds game after 47-17, one of the all time epic choke jobs. Last year they lucked out when callow boy genius Mike McDaniel thought it was a good idea to have his 3rd string QB throw 45 passes in a playoff game on the road (and the Bills barely won that game), then promptly got smoked by Cincy at home.

Making the playoffs yearly isn't anything to be scoffed at but once there they have underperformed.

I know I repeat myself a great deal but to me it's clear that nothing meant more to them than the 47-17 game. They thought they had finally exorcized all their demons that night, celebrated by running up the score with a fat guy TD in the 4th quarter (which is their right to do), and have followed up on that with....nothing.
 

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Coach Hardo has lost playoff games to both Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone. They lost to KC in the 13 seconds game after 47-17. Last year they lucked out when callow boy genius Mike McDaniel thought it was a good idea to have his 3rd string QB throw 45 passes in a playoff game on the road (and the Bills barely won that game), then promptly got smoked by Cincy at home.

Making the playoffs yearly isn't anything to be scoffed at but once there they have underperformed.

I know I repeat myself a great deal but to me it's clear that nothing meant more to them than the 47-17 game. They thought they had finally exorcized all their demons that night, celebrated by running up the score with a fat guy TD in the 4th quarter (which is their right to do), and have followed up on that with....nothing.
I hate coach Hardo. I’m not defending him. He is a fake tough guy douche who was being carried by Daboll and his work with Josh Allen. Just correcting something that was inaccurate.

Plus, the Bills lost one of their best players in Milano and they have fallen off the cliff since. He is that good. Just a bad break in a league where the margins are slim. If SF lost Fred Warner, their defense wouldn’t look the same either.

But I am with you, coach Hardo having a tough year is fun to watch.
 

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I would feel badly for Hardo if teams were not decimated by injuries every year. No one felt bad for the Pats that they had to play the Eagles Super Bowl without Hightower, who was by far the clearest indicator as to whether the Pats would be champions every year. When he was healthy they won.

The Pats are down about 5 cornerbacks and no one feels bad for them, nor should they. Every team has injuries. Adjusting to them is part of the coach's job, and Hardo has clearly done an awful job with that. He calls the defensive plays. He knows Milano is out.

It's strange to me that the Bills benefit from excuses like this. No team goes without injuries to important players. It's a core part of the job to work around that.
 

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Coach Hardo has lost playoff games to both Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone. They lost to KC in the 13 seconds game after 47-17, one of the all time epic choke jobs. Last year they lucked out when callow boy genius Mike McDaniel thought it was a good idea to have his 3rd string QB throw 45 passes in a playoff game on the road (and the Bills barely won that game), then promptly got smoked by Cincy at home.

Making the playoffs yearly isn't anything to be scoffed at but once there they have underperformed.

I know I repeat myself a great deal but to me it's clear that nothing meant more to them than the 47-17 game. They thought they had finally exorcized all their demons that night, celebrated by running up the score with a fat guy TD in the 4th quarter (which is their right to do), and have followed up on that with....nothing.
This is a great point. It's why the 2004 Red Sox NEEDED to beat the Cardinals in the World Series. They exorcised a lot of demons in the ALCS that year but they needed to finish the job. Thankfully they did.
 

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Jets released Michael Carter. What happened there, just never developed? I remember pining for him in the draft the year he came out.