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I would normally be deferential to a pro athlete saying a seemingly small injury is not something he can play through, but I don't trust Deshaun at all, especially when he's saying stuff like this: "Based on his research, he said he's under the impression it could take 4-6 weeks. He also compared the injury to a strained hamstring in a track and field sprinter."

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson's shoulder injury is no longer a mystery — and it might keep him out for a third consecutive game.

Watson addressed reporters Wednesday and said he has a right rotator cuff injury. He was noncommittal about his availability for Week 7. Shortly after Watson spoke, the Browns announced he was ruled out of practice.

When asked about the likelihood of him taking the field against the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday, Watson said he thinks there's a chance.

“It just depends on the process of the medical stuff and the treatment and the rehab that we’re doing day to day. It’s up in the air for sure,” he added.
The 28-year-old said he sustained the injury during the team's 27-3 win over the Tennessee Titans on Sept. 24. He was able to finish that contest without realizing how seriously his throwing shoulder was injured until later the next week.

“At the time my adrenaline going and everything’s kind of flowing," he said. "There were a couple throws where I felt it but we didn’t know what it was.”

Watson called his injury a “micro-tear” of the rotator cuff, saying he's still learning about the normal time of recovery. Based on his research, he said he's under the impression it could take 4-6 weeks. He also compared the injury to a strained hamstring in a track and field sprinter.

“I’m not sure. This is my first time dealing with a rotator cuff,” Watson said when asked if it would heal this season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-qb-deshaun-watson-misses-practice-says-week-7-availability-is-up-in-the-air-185858165.html
 

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And as another example of how the internet sucks, I got an alert saying "Chiefs trade for former Pro Bowl WR".
LOL, the one I got said "Kansas City Chiefs trade for All-Pro, 2X Super Bowl Champion WR."

Which is technically correct, because he made 2nd team All Pro as a kick returner his rookie year, but yeah....
 

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Good move by Philly, watching them a good bit it was evident they desperately needed S help. Byard is as good a center fielder as they could have found on the trade market, and he can play some slot corner, too.
 

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Back in the day those draws to Kevin Faulk worked a surprising amount. But it ain't 2008 anymore.
 

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I hate this cryptic shit. Don’t they know the actual numbers? Doing 100 on an interstate and 60 in a neighborhood aren’t exactly the same beast.
They were loving this on Tampa radio. They played the audio from the cops body cam. A paraphrase:

CO: Am I getting arrested?

Cop: Yeah (like how you tell a middle school student you have to give them ISSP)

CO: You know I play for the Saints

Cop: And…?

Hilarious

edit: View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aUDNkfE4YQY
 
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AJ Brown just became the first WR with 125+ yards in six straight games. Treylon Burks has 543 career receiving yards.
 

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AJ Brown just became the first WR with 125+ yards in six straight games. Treylon Burks has 543 career receiving yards.
Understood that Tennessee didn't want to pay the money, but it really seems crazy that a team would deal a young, relatively sure thing, for a coin flip on hit rate.

For example, Diggs for Justin Jefferson ends up being about an even deal, as JJ's performance on a rookie deal is obviously sensational but Minnesota took a ton of risk that the 1st rounder would pay off (they could have ended up with Reagor, for example). KC got Trent McDuffie and Skyy Moore for Tyreek Hill - terrible deal, but since KC won the SB, it won't be scrutinized.

Getting elite WR talent is the entire game, you do anything to get it and retain it.
 

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Falcons are benching Ridder for Heinicke this week.

In another world, the Falcons fired Arthur Smith, signed Lamar Jackson as a free agent, brought in Bienemy as HC, and the current debate on the talk shows and podcasts is whether Miami or Atlanta has the more potent offense.
 

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Falcons are benching Ridder for Heinicke this week.

In another world, the Falcons fired Arthur Smith, signed Lamar Jackson as a free agent, brought in Bienemy as HC, and the current debate on the talk shows and podcasts is whether Miami or Atlanta has the more potent offense.
The Falcons were never getting Lamar.
 

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I'm not sure that this deserves its own thread. so I'll dump it here for now. ESPN dropped a lengthy negative story on Michael Bidwill, owner of the Cardinals.

Minegar, along with two human resources executives, said they never saw or heard any racist words or acts by Bidwill. However, ESPN interviewed more than three dozen current and former Cardinals employees, including coaches, players and business staff, as well as third-party consultants and former allies, many of whom described a workplace they found abusive and intimidating in part due to a fear of the owner's unpredictable tirades.

"He's a yeller. He's just miserable to people," said Minegar, who left the team in January 2020, about five months after his DUI arrest. "There is a deep culture problem, and in my mind it emanates from one source."

While one woman told ESPN she felt protected by Bidwill when she raised concerns about sexual harassment by an outside client, others interviewed by ESPN -- nearly all on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation -- said Bidwill presided over discriminatory treatment of female business staff through workplace practices designed to keep them separate from men on the football side.

According to the interviews, women in the Cardinals' Tempe office have been told to use different stairwells than men to avoid interacting with players, and they were kept from using common areas shared with the football staff. At one point, the team installed cubicle extensions to discourage such contact, those interviewed said.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38734726/arizona-cardinals-michael-bidwill-workplace-culture
 

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Falcons are benching Ridder for Heinicke this week.

In another world, the Falcons fired Arthur Smith, signed Lamar Jackson as a free agent, brought in Bienemy as HC, and the current debate on the talk shows and podcasts is whether Miami or Atlanta has the more potent offense.
Beyond that they were never getting Lamar, what makes you think they would have an all-time offense? Their line is pretty okay, but not elite, Tyler Allgeier is okay, their WRs are Drake London and..... Pitts is more hype than player, Jonnu?
 

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Beyond that they were never getting Lamar, what makes you think they would have an all-time offense? Their line is pretty okay, but not elite, Tyler Allgeier is okay, their WRs are Drake London and..... Pitts is more hype than player, Jonnu?
I think a competent OC would have made an offense of Lamar, Bijon, Corduroy Patterson, Pitts, London, etc. into more than the sum of its parts. Can't a man dream?
 

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I think a competent OC would have made an offense of Lamar, Bijon, Corduroy Patterson, Pitts, London, etc. into more than the sum of its parts. Can't a man dream?
Bijan wouldn't be on the team, that pick would have been one of the two they had to send to BAL to sign Lamar.
 

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This entire Lamar narrative is strange. Wasn’t Baltimore going to match any offer or tag him. Am I misremembering that?
 

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This entire Lamar narrative is strange. Wasn’t Baltimore going to match any offer or tag him. Am I misremembering that?
They gave him the non-exclusive tag, so they would have been able to match, and if they didn't the team signing him has to give them two 1st round picks. He was never getting signed by anyone but BAL
 

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It all depends on the guarantees. If it's fully guaranteed, that's a ridiculously stupid contract. I'm guessing this year and 2024 are guarantees (along with whatever signing bonus he got), and the rest are year to year and kick in for injury or the 5th day of the new league year.
 

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I don't understand how it was that teams like Cleveland or the Jets didn't bring Wentz in at some point already this season. His season in Indy wasn't really that bad, and his WFT tenure was too short to determine anything. He's no longer 2017 Carson Wentz, but I think he'd be a dramatic upgrade to many of the backup QBs that have been thrust in to action this season...
 

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I don't understand how it was that teams like Cleveland or the Jets didn't bring Wentz in at some point already this season. His season in Indy wasn't really that bad, and his WFT tenure was too short to determine anything. He's no longer 2017 Carson Wentz, but I think he'd be a dramatic upgrade to many of the backup QBs that have been thrust in to action this season...
The Jets not kicking the tires was absurd. The Jets lost their QB on the 4th play of the year and they did NOTHING but play the guy they know for sure cannot play QB in the NFL. They made no deals. They just went with the guy they know stinks.

Minnesota lost Cousins and they made a trade for a viable QB TWO days later.

I have no idea what in the heck the Jets are doing. But they are stupid and idiotic and are wasting an all time defense. Just absolutely wasting it.

edit - the Browns were a little different. Deshaun was always coming back, he had a 4-6 week injury and he missed 5 weeks. There was no need for them to try to rush out an get a QB. 4-6 weeks is far different than 18 weeks.
 

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The Jets not kicking the tires was absurd. The Jets lost their QB on the 4th play of the year and they did NOTHING but play the guy they know for sure cannot play QB in the NFL. They made no deals. They just went with the guy they know stinks.

Minnesota lost Cousins and they made a trade for a viable QB TWO days later.

I have no idea what in the heck the Jets are doing. But they are stupid and idiotic and are wasting an all time defense. Just absolutely wasting it.

edit - the Browns were a little different. Deshaun was always coming back, he had a 4-6 week injury and he missed 5 weeks. There was no need for them to try to rush out an get a QB. 4-6 weeks is far different than 18 weeks.
For Cleveland the difference between winning the division or making the playoffs or not may well be one game. I have to think that Carson Wentz, even as a newby in the system, gives them a better shot to win those five games than whoever Phillip Walker is. It may literally be the difference between playoffs or not.

But the Jets are really the ones that seem ridiculous here. And it wouldn't have even cost them draft compensation!
 

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For Cleveland the difference between winning the division or making the playoffs or not may well be one game. I have to think that Carson Wentz, even as a newby in the system, gives them a better shot to win those five games than whoever Phillip Walker is. It may literally be the difference between playoffs or not.

But the Jets are really the ones that seem ridiculous here. And it wouldn't have even cost them draft compensation!
honestly... PJ Walker put up pretty similar performance to Wentz last year, they're the same tier of player
 

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The Jets not kicking the tires was absurd. The Jets lost their QB on the 4th play of the year and they did NOTHING but play the guy they know for sure cannot play QB in the NFL. They made no deals. They just went with the guy they know stinks.

Minnesota lost Cousins and they made a trade for a viable QB TWO days later.

I have no idea what in the heck the Jets are doing. But they are stupid and idiotic and are wasting an all time defense. Just absolutely wasting it.
The only thing that makes any sense is that they are in thrall to the cult of Rodgers and he vetoed the idea of somebody who might lead the team on a playoff run this season and thereby jeopardize his glorious comeback, whenever that is.
 

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The only thing that makes any sense is that they are in thrall to the cult of Rodgers and he vetoed the idea of somebody who might lead the team on a playoff run this season and thereby jeopardize his glorious comeback, whenever that is.
I think the answer is Joe Douglas doesn't want to admit he was wrong. They should have been aggressive on backup QB in the offseason, you're signing an aging QB who has had some injury issues to play behind a not great offensive line. He instead kept Wilson, likely in part because he didn't want to totally give up on the idea that he didn't make a massive mistake with him, and in part because he probably worried that if they cut or traded Wilson maybe someone else picks him up and turns all that physical talent into a success.
 

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I’m going to venture a guess that in addition to being a thoroughly mediocre quarterback at this point in his career, Wentz is an asshole that teams don’t want to deal with.

It’s also possible that Aaron Rodgers told the Jets he would retire if they brought in a veteran replacement.

Or maybe both things are true.

Here’s what I know: the NFL is way too dependent on quarterback play now. It’s made the game so much more one dimensional and dramatically weakened the overall product. It’s just mot worth slogging through a dozen or more garbage games every weekend for the handful of games with Mahomes/Burrow/Allen/Hurts. A team like the Rams should have enough talent with guys like Cupp to win games without needing a unicorn at QB as well.
 

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Here’s what I know: the NFL is way too dependent on quarterback play now. It’s made the game so much more one dimensional and dramatically weakened the overall product. It’s just mot worth slogging through a dozen or more garbage games every weekend for the handful of games with Mahomes/Burrow/Allen/Hurts. A team like the Rams should have enough talent with guys like Cupp to win games without needing a unicorn at QB as well.
I agree on this, and it's not just because we have to watch Mac every week. I also think BB is stuck in the past a bit and thinks he can win with a midtier guy. (Shanahan probably thinks this too, although they took their shot with Lance.) I'm also amazed there aren't more guys out there that can play the position at an elite level given how the rules have evolved. At least on this issue, the College game offers more variance on how teams can win.
 

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Joe Douglas was also with the Eagles during Wentz's first 3 seasons (His last season there, 2018, is when it started to go downhill) and just watched the franchise improve dramatically once they moved on from him. He probably has more insight on what Wentz is like than most teams and decided that he wasn't worth having around.
 

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Joe Douglas was also with the Eagles during Wentz's first 3 seasons (His last season there, 2018, is when it started to go downhill) and just watched the franchise improve dramatically once they moved on from him. He probably has more insight on what Wentz is like than most teams and decided that he wasn't worth having around.
The Douglas era is fascinating... they have had a terrible offense the entire time despite dumping a TON of premium picks into the offense.

In DOuglas's 4 drafts he has used four 1st round picks (all good ones too, 14, 11, 10, 2) on offense, along with FOur 2nds (59, 42, 36, 34) on offense.
Despite that here are their PPG ranks over that time
2023- 30th
2022- 29th
2021- 28th
2020- 32nd
 

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The Douglas era is fascinating... they have had a terrible offense the entire time despite dumping a TON of premium picks into the offense.

In DOuglas's 4 drafts he has used four 1st round picks (all good ones too, 14, 11, 10, 2) on offense, along with FOur 2nds (59, 42, 36, 34) on offense.
Despite that here are their PPG ranks over that time
2023- 30th
2022- 29th
2021- 28th
2020- 32nd
The 2 makes all the rest irrelevant.

Now the question is, would the outcome have been better if they picked, Lance, Fields or Mac?

The answer on two of them seems a clear no, but I still feel like Fields has been done wrong in Chicago, so maybe he could have been better.