Mock Draft Catch-All

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I'd honestly rather have Bud Dupree if he is there at 32 and put him on the other side of Jamie Collins.
 
I may have to eat my words but I really think Dupree is going about 10th and every mock that has him going late first or later is off their rockers. He was productive and his explosiveness is close to unprecedented for a 270 pound guy.
 

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Shelterdog said:
 
I may have to eat my words but I really think Dupree is going about 10th and every mock that has him going late first or later is off their rockers. He was productive and his exlposiveness is close to unprecedented for a 270 pound guy.
I agree. There are some similarities with Shawne Merriman, who was also a bit overlooked initially then had a huge combine and went #12. Similar physical profile too.
 

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Dupree has kind of an Adalius Thomas skill package---he was 270lbs, ran a 4.5, with a 38.5 vertical
 

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You know what I love?  That the NFL is a year-round sport now.  We go from winning a Super Bowl to talking about who gets cut or extended or given the franchise tag, to the opening of free agency, to the draft.  And then we go to minicamp and before you know it, it's July and the Pats are reporting to training camp again.
 
I want the Pats to absolutely crush this draft.
 

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MainerInExile said:
Every year people mock a first round WR to the Pats. Which will happen first: the Pats actually take a WR in the first, or people stop mocking it? Immovable object or irresistible force?
They have not used a first on a WR since Belichick has arrived, and the only team in the NFL not to use a first on a WR during that span. That said, analyzing the draft is an exercise in small sample sizes and the Patriots probably break what seems to have been "a rule" almost every year.
 

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Super Nomario said:
They have not used a first on a WR since Belichick has arrived, and the only team in the NFL not to use a first on a WR during that span. That said, analyzing the draft is an exercise in small sample sizes and the Patriots probably break what seems to have been "a rule" almost every year.
Except for the rule that on day three they'll pick someone with a name like Jarvis Whortleberry from some school that only learns that they have a football program after the Patriots draft someone from it.
 

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nighthob said:
Except for the rule that on day three they'll pick someone with a name like Jarvis Whortleberry from some school that only learns that they have a football program after the Patriots draft someone from it.
Based on their history, it's more likely the Patriots don't draft a small-school player than they do, even late in the draft. 
 

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MainerInExile said:
Every year people mock a first round WR to the Pats. Which will happen first: the Pats actually take a WR in the first, or people stop mocking it? Immovable object or irresistible force?
 
I used to really enjoy reading mock drafts.  It's a good way to get to know players coming in the league and then when you are watching some pointless Thursday night game between Jacksonville and Cincinnati you can key in the guy you desperately wanted the Pats to draft and either feel validated or let down.  But recently I have found myself less and less interested in the mock draft world.  It's understandably hard to be an expert on 32 different teams, so mock drafters really take it as a talent hording exercise and not a team building exercise.  Thus we get the annual, "Belichick has to get Brady some more weapons" comment in every mock draft.  This isn't the Al Davis Raiders, you don't build a sustained winner by just collecting the seemingly most talented and talked about players.  
 

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Based on their history, it's more likely the Patriots don't draft a small-school player than they do, even late in the draft. 
Agreed. The surprise Patriots picks-Mankins, Cunningham, Wheatley, Vollmer, Wilson, Bethel Johnson, Cassel, Ebbner-have generally been big school kids with good measurables who just aren't on the Draftnik consensus boards.
 

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I used to really enjoy reading mock drafts.  It's a good way to get to know players coming in the league and then when you are watching some pointless Thursday night game between Jacksonville and Cincinnati you can key in the guy you desperately wanted the Pats to draft and either feel validated or let down.  But recently I have found myself less and less interested in the mock draft world.  It's understandably hard to be an expert on 32 different teams, so mock drafters really take it as a talent hording exercise and not a team building exercise.  Thus we get the annual, "Belichick has to get Brady some more weapons" comment in every mock draft.  This isn't the Al Davis Raiders, you don't build a sustained winner by just collecting the seemingly most talented and talked about players.  
I still do love the mock drafts, but they always had one big Achilles' heel -- the inability for any analyst to predict trades that instant render any entire draft meaningless.  And this year in particular, where it currently seems most likely some team will trade into the 2-3-4-5 positions for the opportunity to select Mariota, knowing who's picking where and who'll be on the board is pretty much impossible.
 
Of course trying to game out who might be available come pick #1-32 is a lot less complicated.  Off the mock drafts and Fanspeak runs I've seen to date, smells to me like best potential players available at 1-32 may include...
 
OL:  Cann, Peat, Erving, Clemmings
DE:  Odigizuha. 
DT:  Phillips, Davis, Bennett, Anderson.  Maybe Goldman but I doubt it.
RB:  Possibly any of them.  Gordon or Gurley.
DB:  Possibly anyone except Waynes and Landon Collins.  So Peters, Williams, Johnson, Darby, maybe Jalen Collins,
WR:  Agholor, Lockett, Conceivably Strong, but probably not
OLB:  Mauldin, maybe Harold?  Some early mocks showed Dupree as a second-rounder, but I'd guess he's closer to top 10 of the first than top 10 of the second.
ILB:   Perryman
 
Of course I'm missing plenty...
 

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MainerInExile said:
Every year people mock a first round WR to the Pats. Which will happen first: the Pats actually take a WR in the first, or people stop mocking it? Immovable object or irresistible force?
If the Vikings hadn't surprised Bill by taking Percy Harvin one pick ahead...