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But Hardo is in exactly the position Andy Reid was in Philly, where he can put together good regular season teams and the constantly falls on his face in the postseason. He also fires assistants like mad and blames them for his own defensive playcalling failures. The dude loses home playoff games like it's the hot new fashion. He's a very flawed coach being propped up by a great QB and his flaws are always exposed in the postseason. And if Reddit is to be believed, there's a large portion of Bills fans who are done with the guy.

I wouldn't hire Hardo to run a Dairy Queen. He's a fucking clown.

If Mayo becomes Hardo I will be appalled, not for the W-L record but for the cultivation of a gross public persona that is solely designed to deflect criticism.
one of my favorite recurring SOSH event is the periodic SMJ rant on Hardo!
 

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This is neither here nor there, has no bearing on how Mayo will do as a HC, and is not at all uncommon in coaching... but Mayo seems to have put on a decent amount of weight since he started coaching.
I don't really see it. He played at 250 lbs, and was "only" 6'1. Speaking as a guy that's about 6", 215 or so, he doesn't look all that big to me.

 

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I really wish Kraft would just STFU already. It's like everything out of his mouth these days is critical of what Belichick has done. I'm like...the guy ran the ship for the greatest run in NFL history for 20 years. Can you stop whining about his mistakes (if Jakobi was even truly a mistake)?
Agreed.

I think RKK has 20 years of pent-up media star frustration and he's going to spill it all at once.
 

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Kraft lacks any self-awareness, hilarious to me that he doesn't get that everyone is turning on him. Go back to Orchids of Asia old man.
 

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It's pretty hillarious to me that Kraft got a reputation as a very good owner by doing nothing and saying nothing.... what people want out of their owners. But because of his massive ego now he can't shut up and every story he tells and interview he gives to try and make people think he's awesome actually makes him look retrospectively bad. All I think when I hear these things is "man Bill is even better than I thought to keep this idiot in a box for 2 decades".

My biggest worry is that Kraft, who LOVES to schmooze with his QBs (the weird "Tommy" nickname for Brady, how much he loved Mac, when he was palling around with Bledsoe until Brady took over, etc.) he'll have a heavy hand on the QB selection.
 

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My biggest worry is that Kraft, who LOVES to schmooze with his QBs (the weird "Tommy" nickname for Brady, how much he loved Mac, when he was palling around with Bledsoe until Brady took over, etc.) he'll have a heavy hand on the QB selection.
Is Kraft even meeting these guys predraft? They're 100% taking whoever is left of Maye and Daniels at #3. No hand, heavy or otherwise, is needed.
 

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Is Kraft even meeting these guys predraft? They're 100% taking whoever is left of Maye and Daniels at #3. No hand, heavy or otherwise, is needed.
He'll likely meet them at their 30 visits, QB is usually an owner cleared pick most places.
 

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He'll likely meet them at their 30 visits, QB is usually an owner cleared pick most places.
Okay--so is his hand heavier than other owners? Unless McCarthy just wows everyone, I don't really know how he's gonna put his hand on the scale here.
 

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Okay--so is his hand heavier than other owners? Unless McCarthy just wows everyone, I don't really know how he's gonna put his hand on the scale here.
The thing is he used to not have a hand at all. Most owners suck and actively make their teams worse, so any hand at all is probably a bad thing.
 

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Okay--so is his hand heavier than other owners? Unless McCarthy just wows everyone, I don't really know how he's gonna put his hand on the scale here.
Kraft has had the reputation of schmoozing around with his players. He loves thinking he’s one of the boys, at least, until it’s time to act like numero uno. I am concerned this is a significant risk, and Mayo doesn’t yet have the gravamen to stare him down on his own. I don’t think it would be anything as blunt as “draft X”, but the mere suggestion of a preference at this point (‘JJ’s workout was an eye-opener’) may be enough to tilt the table. I’m guessing that Wolf could restore some equilibrium. This lends additional meaning to Hightowers comments about everybody being on the same page

No inside info, just input from mutual acquaintances, and some skylarking.
 

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I really wish Kraft would just STFU already. It's like everything out of his mouth these days is critical of what Belichick has done. I'm like...the guy ran the ship for the greatest run in NFL history for 20 years. Can you stop whining about his mistakes (if Jakobi was even truly a mistake)?
I'm looking forward to hearing him express regret about letting Thuney go, Gronkowski, Josh McD, Garoppolo...
 

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I wonder if he feels sad about not signing JC Jackson to a big contract.
 

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I really wish Kraft would just STFU already. It's like everything out of his mouth these days is critical of what Belichick has done. I'm like...the guy ran the ship for the greatest run in NFL history for 20 years. Can you stop whining about his mistakes (if Jakobi was even truly a mistake)?
I wish people did read the article and the entire quote. It wasn't nearly as a swipe at Belichick as the headline writer made it out to be.

On Thursday, Kraft appeared on an episode of ‘The Shop’ with Raiders receiver Davante Adams and others. While Adams was talking about the way he learned, he noted Meyers taught him a lot this past season.
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“You can learn in so many different ways,” Adams said. “I learn from new guys - I learned from Jakobi this year so much that I didn’t know before.”

“Wow,” Kraft said. “We shouldn’t have let him go.”
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The rest of the article quotes Adams in detail about reading routes and how Myers was good at it.
 

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They shouldn't have let Jakobi go. Bill did fuck that up. But Kraft should also stop talking. Go back to being a fan. Sit in the corner as the emeritus. Let the new guys have some space.
 

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Adam Jones on WEEI has been harping on "We don't know who will be the next GM for the Pats." for a good stretch now. Tom Curran was a guest today and (paraphrasing) said that Wolf is and will remain the grand poobah for the team's talent for a long stretch to come. Jones said nothing in response in the 5 minutes I heard.

It might just be a pre-draft smokescreen, but apparently there are some rumblings out of Foxborough that Onwenu might play LT in 2024. Mayo mentioned it as a possibility.
 
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Oh good, another reminder how bad we fucked up that pick, and how much AJ Brown wanted to be a Patriot:

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/philadelphia-eagles-aj-brown-rumors-new-england-patriots-tennessee-titans

As the Bill Belichick Era in New England seemingly comes to an unceremonious end, a clip recently surfaced from a June 2020 interview that Brown did on 'Bussin' With The Boys' where he explained how upset he was when the Patriots took N'Keal Harry over him with the No. 32 pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.

"I just knew I was going to the Patriots, because I was a big Patriots fan," Brown said.

"I got a phone call and I was like 'This is it.' But it wasn't it, it was my agent. And he was like 'Just sit tight.' And I'm like 'OK.' He was like 'They finna take a receiver.' And I'm like 'OK, cool, bet.' I just saw that the time just kept going down on the Patriots clock. And I was like 'Uhh, they tripping. I don't know what the hell is going on.'


"So they end up picking, it said the pick was in. I know I ain't got a phone call by now. So I'm like 'This s*** is over.' So I told my brother, I told D, I said 'Bro, let's go.' And I left everybody at the house and went home. I went in the closet and cried my eyes out. I swear."
 

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Fun story, but that production career likely looks a lot different (and not in a good trending up way) had he gone to NE in that post-Brady era.

If he's throwing tantrums in Philly getting 150 targets and 1500 yards, while supported by a historically good OL, I can only imagine how he'd of handled the last couple years in that NE offense. Assuming NE didn't end up trading him before then like the Titans did.

AJ is a great player, but yeah.
 

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Fun story, but that production career likely looks a lot different (and not in a good trending up way) had he gone to NE in that post-Brady era.

If he's throwing tantrums in Philly getting 150 targets and 1500 yards, while supported by a historically good OL, I can only imagine how he'd of handled the last couple years in that NE offense. Assuming NE didn't end up trading him before then like the Titans did.

AJ is a great player, but yeah.
Counter point: there may not have been a post-Brady era if they drafted AJ Brown.
 

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Counter point: there may not have been a post-Brady era if they drafted AJ Brown.
And they likely don’t waste their time with Antonio Brown, don’t waste a 2nd rounder on Sanu, etc. The cost of screwing up that pick was more than just Harry busting, it set in motion a whole series of unfortunate events.
 

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Not only that, this is a guy who had elite WR production with Ryan Tannehill and Jalen Hurts, it's not like he has Joe Burrow throwing him the ball. And I struggle to imagine a WR more taylor made for Brady's strengths.
Did Hurts’ 2023 season return him to the lower tier of quarterbacks? This is at least the second time I’ve seen him compared to chopped liver.
 

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Did Hurts’ 2023 season return him to the lower tier of quarterbacks? This is at least the second time I’ve seen him compared to chopped liver.
Hard to say, but he really only has 1 year of his 3 as a starter that he was a good passer, the other 2 he was probably below average to average at best as a passer. He brings value with his legs as well though, but as a passer.... probably more likely that he's nothing special than anything else.
 

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Did Hurts’ 2023 season return him to the lower tier of quarterbacks? This is at least the second time I’ve seen him compared to chopped liver.
I think he's very limited as a passer, even though he's good at what he does well. To me he's carried by scheme and personnel to a much higher degree than most, if not all, other entrenched franchise QBs. Didn't mean it as this great slight, just to show that AJ Brown has had elite production without (in my view) elite QB play around him.
 
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Happy for him. That's where he should be. Really liked his attitude and play for the Patriots. And it's nice that he'll have some familiarity with BB when he takes over the Cowboys, mid-season, at 5-5.
 

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Patriots sign free agent kicker Joey Slye

Slye has played in 78 regular season games and has connected on 121-of-147 field goals and 138-of-156 extra points. Last season, Slye played in all 17 games and was 19-of-24 on field goals and 32-of-35 on extra points for Washington and connected on a career long and franchise record 61-yard field goal vs. Philadelphia on Oct. 29, 2023.
https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-sign-k-joey-slye