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Adding Aiyuk would probably give us maybe 3 extra wins with how shotty the o-line is, what that will do is knock the team into the middle of the draft along with most likely losing either a 1st round pick to trade for him or a 2nd and maybe a player or late round pick. I much rather take the lumps this season, be one of the worst teams in the league again, and be looking at another top 5 draft slot next year to improve many areas of need.

If we did what the Steelers did this last offseason i would say go for it, imo they will be one of, if not the most improved team in the league for what they did in the draft and free agency. They realized their offense line was a huge weak breaking point and addressed it, we had the same weak breaking point and we added no one of note yet, some maybe late round draft choices which we all know is not going to be enough. Not to mention but would Aiyuke even want to come here, i find it hard to believe he would want to considering were this team is currently at.
There is no way one WR gives you 3 more wins.
 

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Aiyuk is a stud. Reception Perception just came out with his 2023 profile. If we can sell two seconds and keep the 25 first for a tackle, I’m in. He’s not juju who’s really a big slot. Aiyuk is a dominant x who can beat man or press. I’m not sold on Baker .. at least not yet. Polk and Pop with Aiyuk. That’s a solid group
 

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I know people want(think that) to speed up the rebuild process by trading for someone like Aiyuk, but that's just not the way to do it, it's what get teams stuck in mediocrity. We have zero clue if Maye is the answer and the O-line still needs help. Those things need to be addressed first. This team needs to keep all their picks, look into getting a few more by trading players they don't see fitting into the timeline, and be patient. Trading for a player of Aiyuk's caliber is a move you make when a team is ready to take the next step into serious contention. I know that's not what most fans want, but it's the best way to build a team
 

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I know people want(think that) to speed up the rebuild process by trading for someone like Aiyuk, but that's just not the way to do it, it's what get teams stuck in mediocrity. We have zero clue if Maye is the answer and the O-line still needs help. Those things need to be addressed first.
I tend to agree. But the devil's advocate position is also interesting here. Guys like Aiyuk don't grow on trees: is there something to be said for "you grab a guy like this when you can and figure out the nuance as you go"? If you trade for him and sign him to an effective four year extension, yes, its a gamble, but if Maye hits you have your rookie QB on his cheap contract while you're paying Aiyuk, which combines two very popular team building strategies from the last ~decade (go in while the QB is cheap; paying a top WR stupid money).
 

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I tend to agree. But the devil's advocate position is also interesting here. Guys like Aiyuk don't grow on trees: is there something to be said for "you grab a guy like this when you can and figure out the nuance as you go"? If you trade for him and sign him to an effective four year extension, yes, its a gamble, but if Maye hits you have your rookie QB on his cheap contract while you're paying Aiyuk, which combines two very popular team building strategies from the last ~decade (go in while the QB is cheap; paying a top WR stupid money).
Another argument on the Devil's advocate side is that a young QB is aided in his development by a guy who can reliably create separation and get chunks of yardage, IOW, a WR1.

Now I'm not 100% sure that Aiyuk is that guy or rather a guy who succeeded because of the studs around him.
 

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I tend to agree. But the devil's advocate position is also interesting here. Guys like Aiyuk don't grow on trees: is there something to be said for "you grab a guy like this when you can and figure out the nuance as you go"? If you trade for him and sign him to an effective four year extension, yes, its a gamble, but if Maye hits you have your rookie QB on his cheap contract while you're paying Aiyuk, which combines two very popular team building strategies from the last ~decade (go in while the QB is cheap; paying a top WR stupid money).
The bolded is the pro argument for trading for Aiyuk and it makes sense.

However, in an ideal world, I think you would trade or acquire your stud receiver next offseason after getting another high draft pick and improving the OL. You will also have a better idea on the type of QB Maye will be in the NFL and the type of WR to acquire for him
 

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The bolded is the pro argument for trading for Aiyuk and it makes sense.

However, in an ideal world, I think you would trade or acquire your stud receiver next offseason after getting another high draft pick and improving the OL. You will also have a better idea on the type of QB Maye will be in the NFL and the type of WR to acquire for him
Agreed, in an ideal world. Just flip on the news and you'll be reminded we're nowhere close. I think I'm talking myself into this making sense.
 

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I wonder how close they got, Aiyuk def worth more than 34 but not sure he is worth more than say 34 and a mid 4th. I'd take Aiyuk for Polk plus Baker but that is prob in neighborhood value wise.
 

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FWIW I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that @Bigdogx wasn’t saying three win shares or something but actually that the team can win three more games with a difference making WR like that on the field.
 

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FWIW I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that @Bigdogx wasn’t saying three win shares or something but actually that the team can win three more games with a difference making WR like that on the field.
I don’t know if i understand the difference between those statements
Yeah. One is measurable. The other is “this team feels a lot better when we have that awesome receiver on the field.”
I don't think it's quite about the "feels." I thought it more along the lines of "if Ryland had made a couple of kicks he missed, that would have been two wins." Doesn't make Ryland a 2-win player. That's how I took it, anyway.
 

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I don't think it's quite about the "feels." I thought it more along the lines of "if Ryland had made a couple of kicks he missed, that would have been two wins." Doesn't make Ryland a 2-win player. That's how I took it, anyway.
Ok, agree -- that's a better way of putting it.
 

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That makes more sense to me. They were definitely a few plays here and there from a quite different record. but i supposed that’s usually true in the nfl
 

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I like the idea of this -- every first-year coach (and some veterans) needs someone like this, I think -- but I have no idea who this kid is beyond what it says here.

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I like the idea of this -- every first-year coach (and some veterans) needs someone like this, I think -- but I have no idea who this kid is beyond what it says here.

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Probably good that you haven't heard of him. You'd want someone who's solved Fermat's theorem or been banned from every casino in Vegas rather than someone who played D1 football.
 

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Probably good that you haven't heard of him. You'd want someone who's solved Fermat's theorem or been banned from every casino in Vegas rather than someone who played D1 football.
I am puzzled by this post, but I will say -- if you told me they'd hired a kid with 3,000 hours of Madden experience to do this job, I would be really interested to see how it went. Kind of like seeing how a kid who is great at online poker does when playing at a physical table. Could be great, or it could turn out not being able to factor in the human element is fatal.
 

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The Pats were clearly not interested in trading the pick


Schoen's attempt to play this off looks pretty amateurish IMO.
 

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Probably good that you haven't heard of him. You'd want someone who's solved Fermat's theorem or been banned from every casino in Vegas rather than someone who played D1 football.

This guy's been here for 4 years already, under BB.

It's a fool's errand to try and figure out who is responsible for any of the back-office decision-making in the organization since Ernie left.
 

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Godchaux had referenced the three-year, $39 million contract signed by Grover Stewart of the Indianapolis Colts -- who fills a similar role for his team -- as the target he was seeking.
One of these guys ranked 22nd in PFF's interior linemen last year; the other ranked 102nd. Davon certainly doesn't have any self-esteem issues.

Judon's probably breaking shit at home right now.
 

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One of these guys ranked 22nd in PFF's interior linemen last year; the other ranked 102nd. Davon certainly doesn't have any self-esteem issues.

Judon's probably breaking shit at home right now.
You have to believe with Barmore out, Godchaux became more of a priority. Teams didn't run on the 2023 Pats' defense, they were fourth in the league in rushing yards allowed. Godchaux is a big part of that.
 

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You have to believe with Barmore out, Godchaux became more of a priority. Teams didn't run on the 2023 Pats' defense, they were fourth in the league in rushing yards allowed. Godchaux is a big part of that.
I saw a stat recently (lazar?) about how the Pats pressure stats were top notch on later downs (when they can scheme knowing that it’s a passing situation) but were bottom of the barrel (like 31st) on first down, suggesting that they just don’t have the players who can cause pressure without schemes. So stopping the run on first down is critical. Hence Godchaux.
 

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I saw a stat recently (lazar?) about how the Pats pressure stats were top notch on later downs (when they can scheme knowing that it’s a passing situation) but were bottom of the barrel (like 31st) on first down, suggesting that they just don’t have the players who can cause pressure without schemes. So stopping the run on first down is critical. Hence Godchaux.
A disparity that large sounds more like a scheme choice than a personnel issue. Did they blitz much on later downs?
 

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Here is the actual Lazar quote (from his 10 Takeaways article):
One stat that stood out in Aaron Schatz's annual season preview is the Patriots pressure rate splits last season. According to Schatz, the Patriots defense was only 24th in pressure rate on early downs compared to second on third and fourth down. You could argue that it was due to a less aggressive approach on early downs while dialing up pressure on third down. However, the other layer was that, without Judon for most of the season, the Pats lacked a three-down player who could make an impact off the edge in all situations.
So they ranked second in pressure rate on 3rd and 4th downs, but 24th on 1st and 2nd.
 

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Idle thought - I wonder if the Pats can get a few track & field gold medalists to ring the bell like they are doing at the Olympics.
 

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Fuck off, Nick Foles, you stupid baby Eli. I never want to see your stupid gawping face again.
 
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