Becketts been 92-93 the past couple of years, and when his FB dropped from 95 to this level in 2010 there was a lot of concern.So where are all the Red Sox fans concern about Beckett? He hasnt even hit 95 yet and has been sitting 88-91.
http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=510&position=P&pitch=FAUm, no. Josh has been pretty consistent with his FBv since he got to the big leagues. He does not sit 92-93 in the regular season.
Thats not true./ You can read this thread to refresh your memory.Um, no. Josh has been pretty consistent with his FBv since he got to the big leagues. He does not sit 92-93 in the regular season.
But like I said. A lot of these guys dont have their arm strength yet. Halladay is going through it now. All this Pineda velo talk is wishful thinking until something concrete comes out.
That doesn't seem to make too much sense. Pettitte won't be ready on April 6th unless he's already done some working out and pitching.Talk is that with the signing of Pettit that the MFY will have Pineda spend some time at AAA
at least according to Sweeney Murdi WFAN
Pineda made his last two starts last year on 9- 10 and 9-21. His velocity dropped about 4MPH between these starts.. it is possible that he was injured in the 9-10 start. the 9-21 start might have been a way to see how he bounced back with ten days rest. This would be the logical way to figure out his off season regimen.Cashman on ESPN radio 1050 right now talking about Pineda and being very frank.
"He showed up 20lbs heavier than he was 1 year ago"
"My gut feeling is that he didn't do any work in the winter. He probably didn't pick up a baseball."
"He had a spectacular year last year and it just seems like he's getting in shape and hitters are getting really good swings off of him."
There probably hasn’t been a bigger story in any camp this spring than Michael Pineda‘s missing velocity. After throwing 94-97 in Seattle last year, he’s been 89-93 so far this spring, though he did pump a few 94 MPH fastballs in his most recent start on Tuesday. While it’s still important to realize that this reduced velocity isn’t entirely new, you also would have expected Pineda to throw harder by now if he was physically able to do it at this point......
My suggestion – follow the Madison Bumgarner model and have him begin the season in Triple-A.
.....Not every pitcher who has mysteriously lost their top end fastball has had to live without it forever. If Pineda is not compensating for an injury (and at this point, there haven’t been any indications that he is), there is a real chance that his velocity could return. However, it may behoove the Yankees to let him get his fastball back in the minors, at least to begin the season.
He struggled the first 3 innings and was helped out by a runner thrown out at the plate, a double play and a lineout. Finished strong for the final 2, but against the Tigers B lineup.Pineda’s fastball is sitting at 91 mph and he just allowed an RBI triple to tie the game in the third inning. The Yankees keep saying they’re not worried about Pineda’s velocity, but it’s getting late into spring training and it really hasn’t taken a significant leap to where it was last season.
I think that's right. While the general 'offness' is usually described as being in the center of the shoulder.You hope its a dead arm but, and I could be wrong, aren't dead arms usually free of pain and soreness?
Dead arms are sometimes due SLAP (labrum) lesions. Depending on how severe it is, rest and rehab can restore strength. If that does not work, surgery may be needed.You hope its a dead arm but, and I could be wrong, aren't dead arms usually free of pain and soreness?
I was surprised Girardi and Rothchild left him in so long. It looked like he was experiencing discomfort in his shoulder throughout his final inning. he was wincing and repeatedly extending his arms over his head, plus pushing the shoulder forward.RT@BryanHoch: Michael Pineda says he is feeling soreness behind his right shoulder. Told#Yanks about it after exiting game.
UH oh.... Thats really not a good sign
Sweeny Murti ‏@YankeesWFAN
Pineda said his arm was sore tonight, and when asked where exactly, he pointed to back of right shoulder.
From the lahud blog comments in their game thread it seems he has been doing that for a few games now. Most thought it was just a habit of his he may have had with the Mariners, but it did look pretty noticeable in the 3rd, and coupled with his velocity drop to 89 in the 3rd, he might have been able to have been pulled earlier.I was surprised Girardi and Rothchild left him in so long. It looked like he was experiencing discomfort in his shoulder throughout his final inning. he was wincing and repeatedly extending his arms over his head, plus pushing the shoulder forward.
Hope it isn't serious, but damn, bring on the minors for three weeks or so!FWIW, the RAB guys don't seem too concerned:
http://riveraveblues...shoulder-66158/
If Pineda spends 20 or more days in the minors, NY gets an extra year of control at the end of his deal (if he is injured, rehab starts wouldn't count).
Exactly. This is great news for the Yankees. Their prized offseason pitching acquisition -- a 23-year-old potential ace for whom they traded the best hitting prospect in the game -- has pitched his way into the minor leagues with a combination of crappy results, diminished velocity and a sore shoulder. And now the Yankees don't have to worry about what to do with Freddy Garcia. How could this have worked out any better?Funny how rotation logjams seem to always work themselves out. Pineda's sore shoulder is the perfect excuse for keeping him in Tampa. Now the rotation to start the season is set.
Pineda showed up to camp 20 lbs heavier than he was last season and his diminishing velo is just a continuing trend from the end of last season. I know for a fact Brian Cashman does not consider this to be great news.Exactly. This is great news for the Yankees. Their prized offseason pitching acquisition -- a 23-year-old potential ace for whom they traded the best hitting prospect in the game -- has pitched his way into the minor leagues with a combination of crappy results, diminished velocity and a sore shoulder. And now the Yankees don't have to worry about what to do with Freddy Garcia. How could this have worked out any better?
This part isn't true, as has been discussed previously. It's certainly not good news, we'll see later today or maybe tomorrow exactly how bad it is.his diminishing velo is just a continuing trend from the end of last season.
I don't think the pennant is going to be won or lost in April. The obvious downside is if Pineda is damaged goods. We won't know the extent of his "injury" for awhile. If you read the newspaper reports from last night, the kid sounded very fragile emotionally and may have offered up his sore shoulder as an excuse. Girardi said it was the first time Pineda said he was sore, and they had been asking him all month if he had any physical problems.Exactly. This is great news for the Yankees. Their prized offseason pitching acquisition -- a 23-year-old potential ace for whom they traded the best hitting prospect in the game -- has pitched his way into the minor leagues with a combination of crappy results, diminished velocity and a sore shoulder. And now the Yankees don't have to worry about what to do with Freddy Garcia. How could this have worked out any better?
So should we work off the assumption that anyone with shoulder pain has a torn labrum? What are you saying?Like I said, even if they did a straight MRI, its' not conclusive since they don't pick up all small labrum/rotator cuff tears.
The significant finding is drop in velocity or weakness (in Pinedas case, they may not have a baseline in shoulder strength tests to compare, but the velociy baseline is well established). Pain may or may not be present. MRI's don't find all torn labrum/rotator cuffs that may be reponsible for velocity loss and/or pain. Paradoxically, MRI's may find partially torn labrums/rotator cuffs that are asymptomatic and the pitcher is throwing at peak velocity and effectiveness with no loss of strength. In fact, Dr Andrews has cautioned on the over-reliance of using MRI's alone to determine if surgery or other significant treatment is needed based on a positive finding.So should we work off the assumption that anyone with shoulder pain has a torn labrum? What are you saying?
Michael Pineda played catch again today, and he’ll do long toss tomorrow. When the Yankees leave for Baltimore, Pineda will stay behind to continue his rehab work in Tampa.
“I think if he wouldn’t have been able to play catch we wouldn’t have been too excited,” Joe Girardi said. “But he was able to play catch today and he felt pretty good. … I think it’s too early to tell. I think it’s too early until you see him get off the mound and see how he’s feeling and really draw up a plan. How many rehab starts do you think he needs? A lot of it is, how long does it take him to get off a mound?”
Girardi said getting Pineda off a mound next week might be rushing it, and he expects Pineda to miss all of April, but he seems to think early May is reasonable. Girardi also acknowledged that this DL stint might go a little longer than simply getting rid of the tendinitis, the Yankees might also use this to build some additional arm strength to make sure Pineda is truly 100 percent.
Joelsherman1: Pineda IP in extend spring, still felt some shoulder weakness, shut down, #Yankees will determine next few days how to proceed
Manager Joe Girardi described Pineda's injury as ''not good,'' and ''somewhat significant.''
More and more, I get the suspicion that the Mariners pulled a fast one on the Yankees in the offseason.Joel Sherman said:Emailed Cashman about Pineda's setback. Response: "Of course I am concerned - don't have an answer." #Yankees
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/3/6/2849744/michael-pineda-yankees-spring-training
Yanks gave Pineda a complete physical before the trade was finalized and he passed. If the Mariners suspected something last summer, they had no medical tests to confirm their suspicions. Still, it does look pretty shrewd on their part.More and more, I get the suspicion that the Mariners pulled a fast one on the Yankees in the offseason.
That theory ignores that Pineda claimed he experienced shoulder discomfort before his last game of ST, and previously had made no noticeable effort to increase his velocity, and also ignores the most important symptom of potential arm injury, which is unexplained loss of velocity, which was noticed in the 2nd half of last year.Yanks gave Pineda a complete physical before the trade was finalized and he passed. If the Mariners suspected something last summer, they had no medical tests to confirm their suspicions. Still, it does look pretty shrewd on their part.
It amazes me in this day and age how many young pitchers end up with shoulder/elbow issues even while closely monitored from the time they are signed. I think Ian Kennedy is the only recent starting pitcher developed by the Yankees who hasn't had a problem. Kennedy had a smooth windup and delivery, similar to Mike Mussina's form. Joba had a violent delivery. Pineda was pushing 280 pounds behind the baseball this spring. The Yankees' early and unproven theory is he may have injured himself while overthrowing as he attempted to increase his velocity in late March.
Either way, it's not good for the Yankees' hopes in 2012. But the bright side is, Jose Campos is dominating hitters in the SALLY league. He might advance to AA ball this season.