Kyrie Irving traded to Celtics for IT, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, 2020 2nd

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DJnVa

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Guys, if the Cavs were going to void trade Woj's tweet would have said something like "Cavs have decided to not seek additional assets and will void trade." Or something like "Cavs/Celtics unable to come to terms on additional assets."

It didn't. This is over.
 

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Guys, if the Cavs were going to void trade Woj's tweet would have said something like "Cavs have decided to not seek additional assets and will void trade." Or something like "Cavs/Celtics unable to come to terms on additional assets."

It didn't. This is over.
Can you put that in a tweet so I believe you?
 

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Guys, if the Cavs were going to void trade Woj's tweet would have said something like "Cavs have decided to not seek additional assets and will void trade." Or something like "Cavs/Celtics unable to come to terms on additional assets."

It didn't. This is over.
 

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Not sure how you can blame Silver when all of this could just be fake news and the Cavs are just taking their time making a serious decision.
 

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Like ESPN?
Water find its own level ... as in Kaufman decided to expand on the error of the ESPN graphics intern who misrepresented Woj's report.

Not to be confused with the tragedy that's happening in Texas and Louisiana ... although only a fucking idiot would think I was making that comparison
 
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Forget Twitter.

The fact that this is going down to the deadline likely makes it pretty binary. They either accept the deal as was agreed or reject it on the basis of Thomas' physical. I suspect they already know what they can fetch for Irving were the trade be broken. So they are simply trying to decide which package serves both their short term goals of contending and long-term aim of having something in the likely event LeBron leaves. My guess is that a package away serves the short term goals while the Celtics return yields more of a long term benefit, especially with Thomas on the shelf for longer than many expected.
 

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Water find its own level ... as in Kaufman decided to expand on the error of the ESPN graphics intern who misrepresented Woj's report.

Not to be confused with the tragedy that's happening in Texas and Louisiana ... although only a fucking idiot would think I was making that comparison
Too soon. David Tai essentially called me that this morning in this very thread.
 

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How is this Kaufman's fault? He was crediting Woj on ESPN and ESPN fucked it up.
Kaufman was reading a graphic, likely a scroll, and decided to tweet it without verifying the information. If he had thought about it, he would have waited five minutes to see whether any other details were available ... or whether anyone else was reporting it. Hell, ESPN itself wasn't reporting it ... which should have struck him as curious.

Who's more at fault ... the ESPN graphics geek who misrepresented Woj's report, or the guy who watches it, doesn't bother to find verification, and just tweets it as gospel. At the very least, Kaufman should have checked Woj's twitter account to see what was said there.
 

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Forget Twitter.

The fact that this is going down to the deadline likely makes it pretty binary. They either accept the deal as was agreed or reject it on the basis of Thomas' physical. I suspect they already know what they can fetch for Irving were the trade be broken. So they are simply trying to decide which package serves both their short term goals of contending and long-term aim of having something in the likely event LeBron leaves. My guess is that a package away serves the short term goals while the Celtics return yields more of a long term benefit, especially with Thomas on the shelf for longer than many expected.
Are we expecting an announcement from Cleveland? I mean they already announced the trade last week. Unless they announce they are going to void the deal (not happening), what exactly is there to announce? Wouldn't it make more sense for the deadline to come and go with NO announcement which indicates the deal hasn't been voided?
 

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Glad I came here before going to Google -- the multiple articles citing Kaufman's tweet would've gotten my hopes up.

Guess we'll find out in the morning.
 

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Are we expecting an announcement from Cleveland? I mean they already announced the trade last week. Unless they announce they are going to void the deal (not happening), what exactly is there to announce? Wouldn't it make more sense for the deadline to come and go with NO announcement which indicates the deal hasn't been voided?
Having put the NBA through an embarrassing spectacle, they could announce that their medical staff has completed its review, and the deal is now complete. They don't need to say anything about their deep misgivings, the Lebron tantrums, the Gilbert gaming failures, or anything else incriminating.
 

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Are we expecting an announcement from Cleveland? I mean they already announced the trade last week. Unless they announce they are going to void the deal (not happening), what exactly is there to announce? Wouldn't it make more sense for the deadline to come and go with NO announcement which indicates the deal hasn't been voided?
If you're the Cavs, why not give a scoop to your favorite beat writer? I'm not expecting a press release, but we'll have a reliable report from someone by 10:30 tomorrow morning.
 

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Are we expecting an announcement from Cleveland? I mean they already announced the trade last week. Unless they announce they are going to void the deal (not happening), what exactly is there to announce? Wouldn't it make more sense for the deadline to come and go with NO announcement which indicates the deal hasn't been voided?
I wouldn't expect an announcement because, as you've said the trade has already been consummated pending the physical. That said, someone will get the story if the deal has been voided so we should hear by 10am tomorrow.
 

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It certainly doesn't put me in the minority here. At least post-trade.
I disagree. The majority of the reactions fell into two camps: "Hate the trade, Ainge overpaid" and "slight overpay but worth it". I don't think I read many posts that viewed this as a win for Boston or even a dead even trade.

Reactions around the league as reported by the various reporters also showed that most graded this trade in favor of the Cavs.


Before the trade, of course, the consensus was that the Nets pick was certain to be top 3 and was a great asset. But once the trade went down, the Nets prospects improved, and that pick's now more likely to be a mid-lottery pick. Amazing how that works. I guess there are a ton of Allen Crabbe fans here.

The Celtics just got a 25 year old multi-time All Star for an expiring point guard they didn't want to pay, a nice role player, an unknown quantity in Zizic, and a mid-lottery pick. It's hard for me to view that as a huge overpay, despite the fact that I'm not particularly fond of Irving as a player and wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about ball-stoppy guys like Irving and Tatum paired together were I a Celtics fan.

But even despite those misgivings, I'm hard-pressed to see this as some drastic overpay simply because I think the assets the Celtics gave up all may well look far less valuable a year from now. Eventually the C's had to cash in on the Nets assets. It'd have been ideal had an Anthony Davis been available by trade, or a KAT had been sitting there at #1, but it didn't shake out that way. Personally, I'd have preferred a Butler or George (even with the FA risk) but I can understand why Ainge preferred Kyrie and think that they'd waited basically as long as they could wait turning those assets into NBA players.
Agree with you on the shifting tides on how many view the Nets pick. However if you're going to talk about how IT is on an expiring contract, you have to also discuss how Irving only has 2 years (plus a player option on his). I think many here have valued IT's value on the court to be comparable (or not far off from) that of Irvings. Certainly an imperfect measure but IT was voted a second team All-NBA last year (IT had 73 first team votes to 14 for Irving). Adding in a useful rotational player on a great contract, a young big, AND an unprotected 1st rounder that should fall in the lottery would seem to account for more than just the additional year of player control, it would account for the potential injury/time lost by IT's hip injury. And don't forget, Ainge was expressed concern over IT's hip as a reason for the trade - which one could then reasonably conclude that it was baked into the value of what he gave up.
 

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What's the league protocol? At the dead-line does the NBA announce a deal or no deal, or an extension has been agreed to?
The NBA has already posted this deal on their transactions page. If Cleveland doesn't void it there's nothing for the NBA to announce--the trade has already been made. It's the same protocol as every trade, except for some reason the Cavs leaked that they have issue.

http://stats.nba.com/transactions/

What's weird is if you look at the transactions, it has headshots--all 4 players in deal have a Cavs jersey on.
 

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Thanks.

So unless the Cavs reject the deal by tomorrow (AM?) its a done deal?
Why would they take until the deadline to accept? Seems like one of those "we tried but couldn't find the right deal" things. Or not. This shit is stupid either way.

The Cavs knew IT's issues when they accepted the deal. It's a baked in excuse for backing out. Hopefully whatever punishment Gilbert receives if there are indeed shenanigans is printed in Comic Sans.
 
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Still demanding a first, per Woj. Fuck it, let the deal fall apart and then file a complaint with the league.
 

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This appeared to be a half-assed attempt by the Cavs to get additional compensation by inferring they were misled by the Celts, but they never came out and said it.

it was bullshit maneuver.

I'm just just trying to figure out when the Cavs posturing is at an end or if it has already ended.
 

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Is that really news? A lot of people here already said they'd be willing to give up the Celtics first rounder.
 

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Is that really news? A lot of people here already said they'd be willing to give up the Celtics first rounder.
But the only people who matter are Ainge and Grousbeck. And whoever else in the Cs front office and ownership group. I never heard any of them say that.
 
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