Kyrie Irving traded to Celtics for IT, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, 2020 2nd

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Is that really news? A lot of people here already said they'd be willing to give up the Celtics first rounder.
Its news because we were led to believe by Woj that the Cavs weren't pursuing any additional compensation. This tells me the Cavs are voiding the deal if they don't get another piece - they must have decided whatever they have away is a better deal.

Edit: Did not see the latest Woj Tweet
 

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So now we know that the value of the difference between a healthy IT and a failed physical IT is a 2020 2nd round pick. Right.

I hope the sixtieth pick in the draft was worth pissing off your incoming all-star by trashing his value.
 

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Danny should still informally complain to league circles about this. All this bullshit for nothing.
 

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I only wish Red was alive to say "hey, we'll throw this in the deal too" and then blow a giant smoke puff up Gilbert's nose.
 

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So now we know that the value of the difference between a healthy IT and a failed physical IT is a 2020 2nd round pick. Right.

I hope the sixtieth pick in the draft was worth pissing off your incoming all-star by trashing his value.
Given IT4's draft position, this is gold.
 

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So now we know that the value of the difference between a healthy IT and a failed physical IT is a 2020 2nd round pick. Right.

I hope the sixtieth pick in the draft was worth pissing off your incoming all-star by trashing his value.
So that's the equivalent of like a 2018 4th, right?
 

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So now we know that the value of the difference between a healthy IT and a failed physical IT is a 2020 2nd round pick. Right.

I hope the sixtieth pick in the draft was worth pissing off your incoming all-star by trashing his value.
Also making it harder for you to make trades in the future when every team will worry you might pull a similar stunt.
 

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Cleveland would have been better off taking nothing. As a wise man once said, the whole world is laughing at them.
 

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Boston is sending Cleveland a 2020 second-round pick to complete the Kyrie Irving-Isaiah Thomas trade, league source tells ESPN.
This compensation is so very petty and so NBA. The actual pick is more likely to work at the actual Quicken Loans office versus the arena. Still, it would be awesome if Danny could have protected it if if fell between two random spots in the round.
 

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Altman looks like such a fool for this.
He does--because if there was really this huge problem with IT, a 2nd round pic in 3 years (which will likely be at end of round) doesn't really provide much value. At all.

You simply can't go from "Cavs want Tatum/Brown/LAL pick" to "2020 2nd rounder" without everyone thinking they were up to something shady.
 

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It's the Miami 2020 second rounder too! This last week was so embarrassing. Glad it's over. Welcome Kyrie!
 

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He does--because if there was really this huge problem with IT, a 2nd round pic in 3 years (which will likely be at end of round) doesn't really provide much value. At all.
Fyi, it's the Miami 2nd rounder we acquired as part of the Zoran Dragic salary dump to get the Heat under the tax that will go to Cleveland in 2020.
 

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Sending this pick is actually more insulting than refusing to send any picks, the Cavs are apparently just too dumb to be realize it
 

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The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor with a ton of info on how this went down.

"Koby Altman may be the latest person to call himself Cleveland Cavaliers general manager—the fourth in the last 12 years since Dan Gilbert bought the team—but multiple sources have told me that the Cavs owner was the one calling the shots on the trade that sent Irving to Boston, and he’s the one dealing with the fallout. Gilbert’s dysfunctional ways are old news. Gilbert himself joked during Altman’s introductory presser that his GMs have four-year presidential terms. “A state of organizational chaos is Gilbert’s M.O.,” one executive told me. “Gilbert thinks he’s the protagonist in the story of the Cavaliers, when, in reality, he’s the antagonist.”

"But the Celtics wouldn’t have sweetened the pot with the Nets pick and Crowder if Thomas were 100 percent healthy, according to a source with knowledge of Boston’s thinking, nor could Cleveland have demanded such a package. Thomas’s injury was priced into the deal, in the sense that he didn’t have full value."

Gilbert’s fingerprints were all over the drama that’s unfolded over the past week. Thomas’s health is what held up the deal, but according to multiple league sources with knowledge of Cleveland’s thought process, the unprotected Nets pick and Crowder were the pieces that Cleveland valued the most—those were the assets that got the deal done, not Thomas. The perception of the trade was that the Cavaliers and Celtics swapped franchise point guards, but for the Cleveland front office (and its owner), Thomas was the icing, not the cake."

"Thomas’s incredible 2016–17 season ended in the Eastern Conference finals when he reaggravated a right femoral-acetabular impingement with a labral tear. Thomas initially hurt himself in March, when Karl-Anthony Towns fell on him in a game against the Timberwolves, and then continued to play until he “couldn't play anymore,” as he told ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski in a Tuesday interview. He is still recovering from the injury, though he should be able to return at some point during the season. The question is when.

The answer certainly matters to some members of the Cavaliers organization, namely LeBron James and head coach Ty Lue. One league source with an understanding of Cleveland’s situation told me that as news spread throughout the organization that Thomas could miss time deep into the upcoming season, James and Lue cooled on the deal. According to the same source, both the Cavs’ franchise player and their head coach were apparently told by upper management that Thomas and Crowder were being brought in to help the team compete with the Warriors, now."

"Multiple sources told me that Gilbert is operating under the assumption that LeBron will opt out of his contract next summer and leave Cleveland. So Gilbert and Altman targeted Irving trade packages that set up the franchise for the post-LeBron era, rather than the instant-gratification deals they’ve made over the last three years (e.g., trading first-rounders for Channing Frye or Kyle Korver). A front-office executive from another team inquiring about Irving told me that knowing LeBron was staying in Cleveland would have changed what the Cavs asked for in return for Kyrie. Though a wide range of league sources believe LeBron is LeGone, it’s not certain. Regardless, Cleveland doesn’t want to be caught flat-footed. The variety of assets included in Boston’s Irving offer allowed Cleveland to be competitive in 2017–18 while preparing for life after LeBron. Cleveland might have considered Thomas the third-most valuable incoming asset, but the team still wanted a healthy version of him."

"Multiple sources with knowledge of Gilbert’s mind-set believe the Cavs owner cares deeply about how the deal will be seen today and in the future, both internally and across the league—Thomas’s health and a less enthusiastic James and Lue had Gilbert shook."

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/8/30/16230536/cavaliers-celtics-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade
 

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Am I missing something? Shouldn't that pick be better than the Celtics 2nd round pick? All this for a 2nd round pick is a joke but why is it being Miami's pick make it even better?
 

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April 11th, 2018: Nets at Celtics

Last game of the year. I hope that game means nothing for us but does for the Nets' lotto seeding. And then I want to see a starting lineup of Theis, Yabusele, Ojeleye, Nader, and Larkin.

Fuck you, Dan Gilbert.
 

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Woj was all over the place in his reporting on this. He deserves it. 10 minutes before he confirms the deal with a 2nd round pick, he's saying the Cavs are still demanding a 1st. He's been bad for awhile now actually, going back to at least Hayward. Espn is a bad look on him or something.
 

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Cleveland somehow turned a trade everyone thought they won into a giant PR fail and made IT feel like complete shit.

But they got a second round pick!
 

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As s regular fan of the Red Claws, I share your concern. How are we going to compete with the Fort Wayne Mad Ants, who seem to beat us every time I go to the game?
 

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Woj was all over the place in his reporting on this. He deserves it. 10 minutes before he confirms the deal with a 2nd round pick, he's saying the Cavs are still demanding a 1st. He's been bad for awhile now actually, going back to at least Hayward. Espn is a bad look on him or something.

I think he was all over the place with Horford & the Hawks too. He might have zero Boston sources. We, or at least I, only pay attention to Boston. So if Woj is bad on Boston, I could give a shit about how well sourced he is otherwise.
 

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Cleveland somehow turned a trade everyone thought they won into a giant PR fail and made IT feel like complete shit.

But they got a second round pick!
Not everyone feels Cleveland got the best of this deal. They probably got the best they could in any Kyrie trade and are set up decently when it's time to move Tristan and Love next summer but in a top-heavy stars league you don't lose the best player and win many trades. It is very rare.


Woj was all over the place in his reporting on this. He deserves it. 10 minutes before he confirms the deal with a 2nd round pick, he's saying the Cavs are still demanding a 1st. He's been bad for awhile now actually, going back to at least Hayward. Espn is a bad look on him or something.
I don't understand where the problem is with Woj here. I'd imagine that 10 minutes before the compensation was agreed upon that Cleveland WAS demanding a 1st......or else the compensation of a 2nd would have already been completed and no other discussions would have been necessary.
 

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Celtics' 2018 2nd goes to OKC if they're in the playoffs. Their 2019 2nd goes to Memphis if they're a playoff team, hence a 2020 2nd for Cle
 

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I actually don't think Altman looks that bad here. It's pretty obvious Gilbert was the one holding this up. It's also pretty obvious that Gilbert was the one leaking all of this info to Woj which helps explain why Woj looked like a schizo amateur reporting on this trade the last week (it didn't help that Woj seemingly has no Celtics sources)
 
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