Kristaps Porzingis to Celtics!!!!!

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He sat down with Forsberg after the presser. I hadn't really heard him speak before, but I was super impressed with how thoughtful and thorough he was. I know these guys get softball questions and prepare for the interviews, but he also seemed genuine and comfortable. I like the vibe he brings, and hopefully it will help keep the locker room loose
 

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He sat down with Forsberg after the presser. I hadn't really heard him speak before, but I was super impressed with how thoughtful and thorough he was. I know these guys get softball questions and prepare for the interviews, but he also seemed genuine and comfortable. I like the vibe he brings, and hopefully it will help keep the locker room loose
Not adding much to your post, but I’m blown away by how sophisticated his grasp of English is. And, of course, he speaks Spanish with Al. So impressive.
 

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Great deal if they get anything close to resembling last season from KP.

Just stay healthy....
 

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Great deal if they get anything close to resembling last season from KP.

Just stay healthy....
From your lips….

Really excited for him to be third option ,with non zero chance of being second.

He made a couple references to it being an easy decision to come to Celtics. Wonder how much this was discussed before he opted in.
 

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Wow, that's a really good number. Look at the guys who have just been signed for $25m, $26m a year. Amazing. Hat tip, Brad.

Edit: added "a year" to be clear.
 
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I know these guys are dealing with amounts we can’t fathom but if you’re happy to be where you are AND you’re offered $60,000,000, that’s a pretty solid number. Liking what I’m seeing from Porzingis so far.
 
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I know these guys are dealing with amounts we can’t fathom but if you’re happy to be where you are AND you’re offered $60,000,000, that’s a pretty solid number. Liking what I’m seeing from Porzingis so far.
Agreed.

Porzingis has made 140M in his career with another 36M coming this season.

He also has seen his value fluctuate significantly in his career, had multiple major injuries, and has yet to be on a true contender. Plus he is 7'3" and likely knows the track record for longevity at that height.

I think it was likely a bit of a discount but also see why he took it. Looks like a win-win situation to me.
 

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I'm aware that it allows for it. I just disagree with starting rotation players or even 6th man types doing it. End of the bench guys and G league guys? Have at it. Otherwise, I think it's just not smart to do.
What’s the source of your disagreement? It’s a business. Does he not get the benefit of the nature of the particular business relationship?
 

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I get that it's adjusted for health, but his offense last year wasn't flukey 3-point shooting: he drew a ton of fouls and was elite in the post.

2/$60M for that is ridiculously good value, even health-adjusted.
 

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Fred Vanfleet got 3/130, Jeremi Grant got 5/160.

Tremendous value, dude must be running through walls in private that he's finally on a contender.
 

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I get that it's adjusted for health, but his offense last year wasn't flukey 3-point shooting: he drew a ton of fouls and was elite in the post.

2/$60M for that is ridiculously good value, even health-adjusted.
This will be the interesting part....how does he fit with Tatum and Jaylen? Will he replace Horford as the stretch while spending the majority of his time high-screening and shooting 3's as he did under Carlisle in Dallas or be used more similar to Kornet in the midrange and out? We know the talent...the big unknown is the fit.
 

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What’s the source of your disagreement? It’s a business. Does he not get the benefit of the nature of the particular business relationship?
I want to see my team win a title without having one of its key pieces being hurt all year, like what happened last year with Gallo, who also went to play in an unnecessary tournament overseas right after being acquired. They probably beat the Heat with him. And I'll admit it: I'm selfish. But, as I said, I'd say the same thing if it was Tatum going to play with Team USA for the summer.
 

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This will be the interesting part....how does he fit with Tatum and Jaylen? Will he replace Horford as the stretch while spending the majority of his time high-screening and shooting 3's as he did under Carlisle in Dallas or be used more similar to Kornet in the midrange and out? We know the talent...the big unknown is the fit.
Brad seemed to suggest that they want to use him more like he played in Washington: getting to the post a lot against switches, rather than just popping. Using him as Horford+ is probably not optimal.

I think the front office really feels that they were too easy to guard because of a lack of guys who could really make teams pay for switching. Tatum is ok in the post, but he's not elite, and you lose a lot of his "Tatum with space on the perimeter is an emergency" value. He's at his best when forcing teams to double far out.
 

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Brad seemed to suggest that they want to use him more like he played in Washington: getting to the post a lot against switches, rather than just popping. Using him as Horford+ is probably not optimal.

I think the front office really feels that they were too easy to guard because of a lack of guys who could really make teams pay for switching. Tatum is ok in the post, but he's not elite, and you lose a lot of his "Tatum with space on the perimeter is an emergency" value. He's at his best when forcing teams to double far out.
Someone brought this up to Haralabos on Twitter in being critical of Carlisle "turning him into Channing Frye" who then countered with the fact that using KP this way resulted in Dallas having the #1 offense in the league despite a limited offensively skilled roster.

New school vs Old school. I can so see 60-yr olds in Dunkies complaining about him on the perimeter with one of the best offenses in the league. Interesting that Brad would feel the other way as it takes away from Tatum and Jaylen's spacing.
 

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Any reason that Porzingis usage cannot be matchup and situation dependent? That inside presence would have been helpful against the Heat. The inside game could be almost like what we all too briefly saw from Rob Williams during the Ime season before the knee injury. The offense ran smoothly during that period. And, unlike Rob, Porzingis could be in the perimeter the next possession.

Seems like there's no reason to make it a binary choice.
 

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Plus defense dependent. Staps on the elbow against a zone is a really dangerous piece & possessions going through him when Tatum is resting either on or off the court should be effective compared to some other options.
 

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I want to see my team win a title without having one of its key pieces being hurt all year, like what happened last year with Gallo, who also went to play in an unnecessary tournament overseas right after being acquired. They probably beat the Heat with him. And I'll admit it: I'm selfish. But, as I said, I'd say the same thing if it was Tatum going to play with Team USA for the summer.
But your whole point was that this is a business and that anything that does not achieve the goal of the business should be quashed. Business, business, business. The business signed a contract. The contract has terms. Why should the party to the contract with way, way less money throw the business a freebie?
 

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Any reason that Porzingis usage cannot be matchup and situation dependent? That inside presence would have been helpful against the Heat. The inside game could be almost like what we all too briefly saw from Rob Williams during the Ime season before the knee injury. The offense ran smoothly during that period. And, unlike Rob, Porzingis could be in the perimeter the next possession.

Seems like there's no reason to make it a binary choice.
To a degree sure....but a team must create their identity together of what they are and what they do best. The player has to know and understand his role especially one coming into an already established environment.
 

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But your whole point was that this is a business and that anything that does not achieve the goal of the business should be quashed. Business, business, business. The business signed a contract. The contract has terms. Why should the party to the contract with way, way less money throw the business a freebie?
Look, man, I don't know what you are looking for from me here. I have clearly stated that it's my opinion and why I hold it. You disagree, which is fine. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because he's going. If he gets hurt and they fail to win again, at least he'll be here for two more seasons, unless they trade him away in the next attempt to get that one missing piece in what has seemingly become an endless cycle of "we got the guy we needed" to "if only he'd been healthy."

I don't like that it's allowed but I accept that it is.
 

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I want to see my team win a title without having one of its key pieces being hurt all year, like what happened last year with Gallo, who also went to play in an unnecessary tournament overseas right after being acquired. They probably beat the Heat with him. And I'll admit it: I'm selfish. But, as I said, I'd say the same thing if it was Tatum going to play with Team USA for the summer.
So, I get the reasoning behind this sentiment. You're not "wrong" for feeling this way. I'd be very bummed if he comes back from the World Cup gimpy.

But I do think there are a few things worth noting about the tension in that decision:

In the world's most globalized sport, soccer, the challenges presented by the international form of the game have had 90 years now to mature. FIFA basically invented "big-money players playing for their country", and have had to create and refine an uneasy balance between club interests and federation / governing body international-game interests, which have gotten negotiated slowly over decades... but are now fairly stable. The structures they've created - international "windows" of competition, mandatory release for certain competitive events but not friendlies or youth tournaments, a negotiable balance between "is he REALLY hurt?" vs "Do you REALLY need him?"... it took a while, but now the fans are largely accepting of how it works, where the boundaries are for what's acceptable.

Basketball is rapidly becoming the second most globalized team sport, if it isn't already (like, what's close? Rugby? Volleyball? Surely not baseball). But only in the last 30 years. We have a lot of the boundaries of that give-and-take to get ironed out yet. But one thing is incontrovertible: national-team competition is popular, and brings a lot of new fans to your game. Growing the game is something worth investing in, and even though the costs aren't borne equally (because of the randomness of injuries), it does even out eventually. So it's fair for a fan of a specific team to say "I don't care, I don't want the risks". But at a higher level, the NBA as an institution is strongly incented to encourage the teams to permit a release for national team duty... and it's pretty easy to understand why.
 
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So, I get the reasoning behind this sentiment. You're not "wrong" for feeling this way. I'd be very bummed if he comes back from the World Cup gimpy.

But I do think there are a few things worth noting about the tension in that decision:

In the world's most globalized sport, soccer, the challenges presented by the international form of the game have had 90 years now to mature. FIFA basically invented "big-money players playing for their country", and have had to create and refine an uneasy balance between club interests and federation / governing body international-game interests, which have gotten negotiated slowly over decades... but are now fairly stable. The structures they've created - international "windows" of competition, mandatory release for certain competitive events but not friendlies or youth tournaments, a negotiable balance between "is he REALLY hurt?" vs "Do you REALLY need him?"... it took a while, but now the fans are largely accepting of how it works, where the boundaries are for what's acceptable.

Basketball is rapidly becoming the second most globalized sport, if it isn't already (like, what's close? Rugby? Volleyball? Surely not baseball). But only in the last 30 years. We have a lot of the boundaries of that give-and-take to get ironed out yet. But one thing is incontrovertible: national-team competition is popular, and brings a lot of new fans to your game. Growing the game is something worth investing in, and even though the costs aren't borne equally (because of the randomness of injuries), it does even out eventually. So it's fair for a fan of a specific team to say "I don't care, I don't want the risks". But at a higher level, the NBA as an institution is strongly incented to encourage the teams to permit a release for national team duty... and it's pretty easy to understand why.
good post
 

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I'm pretty excited to see how Tatum plays alongside an effective pick and roll partner that the other team actually has to cover. He's had a couple of high scoring point guards, but he was too young with Kyrie and Tatum didn't grow into an all-NBA level player until the second half of the 2020 season, at which point Kemba had already started his permanent decline. The Celtics haven't had a high scoring big man for like 15 years (since KG's injury in 2009). This isn't the place to discuss whether or not Tatum/Brown can play together, but it's definitely not optimal when you can't create mismatches by putting your two best players in a pick and roll together.
 

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I'm pretty excited to see how Tatum plays alongside an effective pick and roll partner that the other team actually has to cover. He's had a couple of high scoring point guards, but he was too young with Kyrie and Tatum didn't grow into an all-NBA level player until the second half of the 2020 season, at which point Kemba had already started his permanent decline. The Celtics haven't had a high scoring big man for like 15 years (since KG's injury in 2009). This isn't the place to discuss whether or not Tatum/Brown can play together, but it's definitely not optimal when you can't create mismatches by putting your two best players in a pick and roll together.
There's also no point in putting two guys in pick and roll who are roughly the same size. Getting KPs man on Tatum has value. Getting Brown's man on Tatum generally wouldn't, at least not the last couple of years, since it doesn't really create a physical advantage. KP being both a threat and super tall is a great thing. And if teams play smaller to manage that PNR, even better.
 

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There's also no point in putting two guys in pick and roll who are roughly the same size. Getting KPs man on Tatum has value. Getting Brown's man on Tatum generally wouldn't, at least not the last couple of years, since it doesn't really create a physical advantage. KP being both a threat and super tall is a great thing. And if teams play smaller to manage that PNR, even better.
Christ, even when Brown or Tatum managed to get into a mismatch bringing the ball up the court, that PnR would still get set up and they'd switch into a worse matchup anyway.
 

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Christ, even when Brown or Tatum managed to get into a mismatch bringing the ball up the court, that PnR would still get set up and they'd switch into a worse matchup anyway.
Yeah some of that is awareness and having weak coaching depth, but there's just not generally going to be much of a matchup advantage to be gained either way. Brown and Tatum are obviously very different players, but most of the guys that cover one can cover the other. The whole point of PNR is to get bigs on smalls or vice versa, not wings on wings.
 

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There's also no point in putting two guys in pick and roll who are roughly the same size. Getting KPs man on Tatum has value. Getting Brown's man on Tatum generally wouldn't, at least not the last couple of years, since it doesn't really create a physical advantage. KP being both a threat and super tall is a great thing. And if teams play smaller to manage that PNR, even better.
This helps Tatum, in particular, since teams often try to play with with smaller strong guys who can get up into him on the perimeter. KP just takes those guys in the post and shoots over them like they're not there.
 

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We knew this was the risk when the trade was made but, damn, we couldn't even get through the summer. Hopefully he is ok and can play 50-60ish games this year. Don't think it's realistic to expect anything more. Does suck as a fan always waiting for the other shoe to drop on guys like TL and KP.
 

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What exactly is mysterious about plantar fasciitis? I've had it as a marathon runner and a combination of rest and stretching solved it in a month.
 

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What exactly is mysterious about plantar fasciitis? I've had it as a marathon runner and a combination of rest and stretching solved it in a month.
Did you read the article? I've had it to too, and those don't sound like the classic symptoms.

“The foot hurts after exercise, I feel almost nothing when walking, a really funny injury,” Porzingis explained, via translation. “I have an idea what the origin of the injury might be, but it’s something that builds up over the course of a career and pops out at one point. It got worse during the training process — it started to hurt, then I couldn’t get rid of the inflammation.”
 

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Did you read the article? I've had it too, and have won orthotics for more than a decade, and those don't sound like the classic symptoms.

“The foot hurts after exercise, I feel almost nothing when walking, a really funny injury,” Porzingis explained, via translation. “I have an idea what the origin of the injury might be, but it’s something that builds up over the course of a career and pops out at one point. It got worse during the training process — it started to hurt, then I couldn’t get rid of the inflammation.”
 

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Did you read the article? I've had it to too, and those don't sound like the classic symptoms.

“The foot hurts after exercise, I feel almost nothing when walking, a really funny injury,” Porzingis explained, via translation. “I have an idea what the origin of the injury might be, but it’s something that builds up over the course of a career and pops out at one point. It got worse during the training process — it started to hurt, then I couldn’t get rid of the inflammation.”
I haven't had it, but a crapload of friends have. And that sounds exactly like it. Pain after, not during, exercise is a pretty common symptom.

Of course we don't really know much about what tests they've done/not done, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that it's something worse (Jones, spurs, etc.). But I'm not sure why that quote is more worrisome than the existing "KP has plantar fasciitis" news.
 

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“The foot hurts after exercise, I feel almost nothing when walking, a really funny injury,” Porzingis explained, via translation. “I have an idea what the origin of the injury might be, but it’s something that builds up over the course of a career and pops out at one point. It got worse during the training process — it started to hurt, then I couldn’t get rid of the inflammation.”
Oof.
 

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I haven't had it, but a crapload of friends have. And that sounds exactly like it. Pain after, not during, exercise is a pretty common symptom.

Of course we don't really know much about what tests they've done/not done, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that it's something worse (Jones, spurs, etc.). But I'm not sure why that quote is more worrisome than the existing "KP has plantar fasciitis" news.
Perhaps something was lost in translation, a very real possibility. But it doesn't sound like Porzingis is sure what's causing the problem, which makes me wonder how they'll treat it.
 

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Perhaps something was lost in translation, a very real possibility. But it doesn't sound like Porzingis is sure what's causing the problem, which makes me wonder how they'll treat it.
Yeah if they "don't know what's wrong", that's obviously troublesome. I'm not sure if it's translation, Porzingis being a little panicked by having a foot injury, or a little wishcasting on my part. Maybe a mix.
 

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I haven't had it, but a crapload of friends have. And that sounds exactly like it. Pain after, not during, exercise is a pretty common symptom.

Of course we don't really know much about what tests they've done/not done, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that it's something worse (Jones, spurs, etc.). But I'm not sure why that quote is more worrisome than the existing "KP has plantar fasciitis" news.
Yep. Tracks 100% with my symptoms too.
 

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Yeah if they "don't know what's wrong", that's obviously troublesome. I'm not sure if it's translation, Porzingis being a little panicked by having a foot injury, or a little wishcasting on my part. Maybe a mix.
Hopefully I'm overreacting, but another thing that struck me: In the C's release, they said they expected KP "to be cleared for the start of training camp," and he says in this interview that he "hopes" to be ready for training camp. Again, that could be the result of a poor translation, but one is more optimistic than the other.
 

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Yep. Tracks 100% with my symptoms too.
You didn't have sharp pain in your feet/heel upon getting out of bed and taking your first steps? My symptoms often faded once I started moving, but the initial pain was jarring.
 

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You didn't have sharp pain in your feet/heel upon getting out of bed and taking your first steps? My symptoms often faded once I started moving, but the initial pain was jarring.
No, mine was the opposite. Felt fine walking around (even barefoot) but flared up once I was well into a run and afterwards.
 

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Sounds manageable. No back-to-backs, lots of regular season rest, prepare for the playoffs.

I'll keep beating the drum. This team needs another BIG (Blake?) and add a BIG on a 2-way (Garuba?)