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Denver can only sign Brown for 7.8. Does that make it impossible to do a sign and trade or can he sign with Denver for more if they know he is getting traded?
No, if he signs a two year deal as part of a sign & trade then the next team could pay him whatever they wanted after that. So he’d be on a 2/16 deal then whatever they agreed to privately.
 

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No, if he signs a two year deal as part of a sign & trade then the next team could pay him whatever they wanted after that. So he’d be on a 2/16 deal then whatever they agreed to privately.
but of course Brown would have no incentive to do that, since DEN can offer him 1/7.8 then the new deal with early bird rights, so he gets the real payday a year earlier (and stays on the defending champs)
 

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No, if he signs a two year deal as part of a sign & trade then the next team could pay him whatever they wanted after that. So he’d be on a 2/16 deal then whatever they agreed to privately.
Well yes, but teams can pay him more than that right now. He will get a full MLE offer from someone. Now, he may choose to sign the 7.8 with Denver with the wink wink, but I find it highly unlikely that he wants anything to do with a 2/16 deal
 

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I honestly think that the issue is less about 37yr old Al Horford next season and more 38yr old Al Horford the year following and 39yr old Al Horford the one after it. Brad was motivated to find a big whose peak coincides with the next three seasons of the Jays.
Sure there are several reasons an aging Al's minutes/games should be gradually sloping down (not spiking). Boston was short usable frontcourt bodies last season, & Brad addressed it with KP. At least that's what Brad said in the presser.

Brad is still probably on the lookout for more 4/5 frontcourt help with Boston interested in playing "longer". Maybe he'll check in with Minnesota who just broke out the checkbook for Naz Reid & see what the cost is on McDaniels or Cellar darling Kyle Andersen.
 

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but of course Brown would have no incentive to do that, since DEN can offer him 1/7.8 then the new deal with early bird rights, so he gets the real payday a year earlier (and stays on the defending champs)
As I’ve said before, I’m pretty sure that Denver, now that they have their title, are going to be looking to cut salary around Jokic/Murray/Porter Jr.. Between those three, Aaron Gordon, and Caldwell-Pope they have roughly $149 million tied up. I doubt that Brown’s getting anything from them.
 

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Brad is still probably on the lookout for more 4/5 frontcourt help with Boston interested in playing "longer". Maybe he'll check in with Minnesota who just broke out the checkbook for Naz Reid & see what the cost is on McDaniels or Cellar darling Kyle Andersen.
With $57M committed to the frontcourt and its three established players, I’d expect Brad to be prioritizing the backcourt (upgrading Pritchard) and/or the wing (Hauser).
 

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Brad is still probably on the lookout for more 4/5 frontcourt help with Boston interested in playing "longer". Maybe he'll check in with Minnesota who just broke out the checkbook for Naz Reid & see what the cost is on McDaniels or Cellar darling Kyle Andersen.
The T’wolves just drafted a McDaniels clone, so I’m sure they’re amenable to trading him.
 

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Well yes, but teams can pay him more than that right now. He will get a full MLE offer from someone. Now, he may choose to sign the 7.8 with Denver with the wink wink, but I find it highly unlikely that he wants anything to do with a 2/16 deal
You need to find a contender with enough cap space for the full MLE. There aren’t many. So Denver’s cap hold figure might legitimately be about as good as it gets for him.
 

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Creighton had me up until the part about the Kendrick Perkins trade looking right on paper. That didn't feel right even on paper for one second.

Marcus Smart gave everything he had to the Boston Celtics. The trade feels like a betrayal to me and I can only hope that it doesn't rip the heart of the team. I fear it will.
I have always been on the Perkins no-brainer trade wagon. He was damaged good and we weren't extending him at that price tag following the season. He didn't even play immediately following the trade and was fairly worthless the rest of the season. He wasn't going to help the Celtics anymore at that point.
 

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The T’wolves just drafted a McDaniels clone, so I’m sure they’re amenable to trading him.
That's right they took Leonard Miller. That Gobert/Slo Mo playoff dust-up has to be in the back of their minds

With $57M committed to the frontcourt and its three established players, I’d expect Brad to be prioritizing the backcourt (upgrading Pritchard) and/or the wing (Hauser).
If Brad/CJM have Zing/TL/Al earmarked for 2 rotation/starting spots, they'll need another large fella.

PP is basically the 4th string ball handler with White, Brogdon, & Point Tatum. Then JDD is behind him (along with Eurostash).

They'll need to add another ball handler, if Brad moves Brogdon.

Go to 8:30 to hear Brad's thoughts on where they were thin (upfront) & where they had an oversupply (PG)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnV07QBHZ3k&t=729s
 

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That's right they took Leonard Miller. That Gobert/Slo Mo playoff dust-up has to be in the back of their minds


If Brad/CJM have Zing/TL/Al earmarked for 2 rotation/starting spots, they'll need another large fella.

PP is basically the 4th string ball handler with White, Brogdon, & Point Tatum. Then JDD is behind him (along with Eurostash).

They'll need to add another ball handler, if Brad moves Brogdon.

Go to 8:30 to hear Brad's thoughts on where they were thin (upfront) & where they had an oversupply (PG)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnV07QBHZ3k&t=729s
I;m of the opinion they should add a backup PG who is an experienced vet and move Pritchard for a wing or big of a similar level
 

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I have always been on the Perkins no-brainer trade wagon. He was damaged good and we weren't extending him at that price tag following the season. He didn't even play immediately following the trade and was fairly worthless the rest of the season. He wasn't going to help the Celtics anymore at that point.
Boston‘s only win in the series against Miami was the one game where they won the rebounding battle. They certainly could have used Perk in that series, although they probably wouldn’t have beaten the Heat. The next year, they lost to the Heat in seven games, again losing the glass battle, and got hammered off the glass in the pivotal game six home loss when LeBron went off. Jeff Green had to miss the series due to his heart issue.

Perk never got enough credit for doing the paint dirty work. KG unburdened because Perk was willing and able to much it up gave us a better version of KG. It’s not too much of a stretch to say that the Perk trade was the beginning of the end for the KG era. The Big Three and the Other Two, Rondo and Perk, never were beaten in a playoff series with everyone healthy. I think that KG and Pierce have said that if that starting five hadn’t been broken up by the Perk trade, they would have gotten another title
 

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The truth about Brogdon's health probably impacts whether they keep PP: he's likely the best offensive and shooting replacement they will find given their assets. So if you have real concern Brogdon is going to miss material time you value PP a lot more, even with the defensively limitations. But if you beleive Brogdon is pretty much healthy, there just aren't a ton of minutes for him...and might as well trade for a wing defender, a big, or a better distributing "pure" PG.
 

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You need to find a contender with enough cap space for the full MLE. There aren’t many. So Denver’s cap hold figure might legitimately be about as good as it gets for him.
It doesn’t need to be a contender though. He got his ring. Like what if Houston throws a 3/45 deal at him. No chance he turns that down.
 

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I’d also say there’s very little chance that Houston throws 3/45 at a 6th man.
 

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I;m of the opinion they should add a backup PG who is an experienced vet and move Pritchard for a wing or big of a similar level
Do you have targets in mind that work $$$ wise?

Delon Wright or Monte Morris are sitting there for filler + a 2nd.

I think they really like PP being the 3rd or 4th string ball handler. BUT Brogdon's injury will dictate a lot of what happens here.
 

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Denver can only sign Brown for 7.8. Does that make it impossible to do a sign and trade or can he sign with Denver for more if they know he is getting traded?
I can't imagine a scenario where Bruce Brown is sign-and-traded.

He'd have to sign a 3 year deal starting at that 7.8M.

I'd be stunned if he didn't have much better options than that. At the very least, he shouldn't have to lock in that long at that price.
 

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I can't imagine a scenario where Bruce Brown is sign-and-traded.

He'd have to sign a 3 year deal starting at that 7.8M.

I'd be stunned if he didn't have much better options than that. At the very least, he shouldn't have to lock in that long at that price.
Yeah if there is one player this summer certain to be on the move it's Brown. Anything less than the full MLE likely gets hung up on.
 

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Do you have targets in mind that work $$$ wise?

Delon Wright or Monte Morris are sitting there for filler + a 2nd.

I think they really like PP being the 3rd or 4th string ball handler. BUT Brogdon's injury will dictate a lot of what happens here.
Those are the top 2 on my list, both likely to work, with Champagnie in the deal.
Not a ton else, Suggs if you like his upside over Pritchard, Killian Hayes? But yeah my target would be Monte probably.
Then for the Pritchard flip I'd be looking at: Garuba, Nnaji, Duarte, etc.
 

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Those are the top 2 on my list, both likely to work, with Champagnie in the deal.
Not a ton else, Suggs if you like his upside over Pritchard, Killian Hayes? But yeah my target would be Monte probably.
Then for the Pritchard flip I'd be looking at: Garuba, Nnaji, Duarte, etc.
Pritchard would have to be in a deal for Delon or Monte, no? They're expensive.

Unless you're trading Brogdon?

With Brogdon still on the roster, I can't see the Celtics really anyone else that makes real money. I'd imagine they're going to stay out of the second apron.
 

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Pritchard would have to be in a deal for Delon or Monte, no? They're expensive.

Unless you're trading Brogdon?
It's off a Grant S&T. Depending what he gets he'll probably count somewhere between 7 and 9M as outgoing.
 

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This is very expected, he has played for Latvia a bunch, even played the world cup qualifiers to ensure they got in. The bigger surprise was Wembanyama not playing for France.
 

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I get the perspective, but these players play a lot of basketball in the offseason. So, is the risk of injury greater in the FIBA tournament than in other things they are doing over the Summer? Sure. Probably marginally. But, not sure it's that much greater.

I think when we have situations where players get hurt motorbiking or cliff diving or doing activities that are, in my view, unnecessarily high risk - I think fans/teams have a bit more of a nit to pick.
 

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Players play. Sometimes they get hurt, but that's life. Rather have players feel like they can play for their home country during international tournaments.
 

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While I agree with the "play for your country" sentiment overall, I worry about guys who have previously sustained a significant injury. Wouldn't want TimeLord to play in a tournament like this... and I think I feel that way about KP, too. Yes, players play, and he'd likely be involved in basketball activities over the summer -- but part of me wants him doing team-designed off-season workouts and then wrapping himself in bubble wrap at the end of every day. Save getting into game shape for the pre-season/early part of the regular season.
 

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I can certainly sympathize with wanting to play for your home country, but when there's millions of dollars and the chance at a title for the team that is paying you, I think that stuff should take a back seat. The Latvian government isn't going to subsidize his contract if he gets hurt, so there's zero upside for the Celtics. This is a business and anything that poses the slightest threat to the overall goal of the business should be quashed at the first opportunity. Just my opinion and I'd say the same thing if it was Team USA. If you're in the NBA, that is a year-round job, especially the off-season.
 

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The "omg he might get hurt" stuff is kind of silly to me. As many guys get hurt in workouts or pickup games in the summer as in tournaments... honestly probably more. It's not like these guys are sitting on their couch eating ice cream and playing video games all summer. These guys are playing one way or another, a sanctioned tournament, on good courts, with good training/medical staff is probably preferable to playing in some random gym or Rucker park.
 

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The "omg he might get hurt" stuff is kind of silly to me. As many guys get hurt in workouts or pickup games in the summer as in tournaments... honestly probably more. It's not like these guys are sitting on their couch eating ice cream and playing video games all summer. These guys are playing one way or another, a sanctioned tournament, on good courts, with good training/medical staff is probably preferable to playing in some random gym or Rucker park.
This is where I'm at. Players play. That's what they do. When you get into your early-30's and mid-30's now the conversation changes as you need that time for your body to recover and/or not place it under additional stress.
 

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It is the opposite of dumb. Love it and wish more players would play for their country
Ordinarily I would agree but his injury history changes things. He can be an ambassador for the sport in Latvia in different ways. He just had his first injury free season in five years, joined a new team, has a chance to compete for a championship...I would not be introducing a bunch of variables this summer.
 

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Ordinarily I would agree but his injury history changes things. He can be an ambassador for the sport in Latvia in different ways. He just had his first injury free season in five years, joined a new team, has a chance to compete for a championship...I would not be introducing a bunch of variables this summer.
It's actually the opposite. Last summer, before his best season in years.... was the first time he's played for Latvia in 5 years, that's why they made this tournament.
If anything playing for Latvia this summer is keeping up with his new routine that paid off well last season
 

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if he gets hurt, it’s extremely dumb. It’s all hindsight really
 

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Ordinarily I would agree but his injury history changes things. He can be an ambassador for the sport in Latvia in different ways.
Unfortunately he gets to say what and how he is an ambassador for Latvia. We don't get to, nor should we dictate how these guys spend their off-season. It's just a game afterall
 

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Unfortunately he gets to say what and how he is an ambassador for Latvia. We don't get to, nor should we dictate how these guys spend their off-season. It's just a game afterall
Yes, and there's also been a big increased emphasis on Latvian national identity in the wake of the war, so it makes sense that guys from there want to represent their country. I wouldn't be suprised if that's part of the reason KP played for them for the first time in awhile last summer, but I don't have any news stories to back that up.
 

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As a fan it causes me a bit of anxiety, but thats maybe some recency bias. I love watching international tourneys and want the best players there. I can't have it both ways - so I am glad he's playing.

How does this impact timing on an extension (if at all)?
 

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It's actually the opposite. Last summer, before his best season in years.... was the first time he's played for Latvia in 5 years, that's why they made this tournament.
If anything playing for Latvia this summer is keeping up with his new routine that paid off well last season
I appreciate your optimism. Hope it works out.
 

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I can certainly sympathize with wanting to play for your home country, but when there's millions of dollars and the chance at a title for the team that is paying you, I think that stuff should take a back seat. The Latvian government isn't going to subsidize his contract if he gets hurt, so there's zero upside for the Celtics. This is a business and anything that poses the slightest threat to the overall goal of the business should be quashed at the first opportunity. Just my opinion and I'd say the same thing if it was Team USA. If you're in the NBA, that is a year-round job, especially the off-season.
What does his contract/the CBA say? Because, as you point out, this is a business, and the CBA and his contract control.
 

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If people felt good about his health, I think there would be a lot of consensus around trading Jaylen. The problem is that if people felt good about his health, he wouldn't have been available at this price.
Not to sound negative about Jaylen, as I consider it a good thing on the court (much less so when it comes to the cap), but I think there’s a good chance that Zinger is the second best player on this team next season, health pending.

Him and Tatum’s game mesh about as perfectly as it gets. Tatum is a pick and pop machine, creates a ton of wide open threes. That pairs well, as KP almost exclusively shoots above the break threes, though I bet he takes a lot more corner ones this season. He’s become a deadly screener, he’s obviously an elite roll threat. I would venture to guess that the Tatum/Porzingis pairing put up some ridiculous net ratings and on/off’s.

Also some encouraging numbers, in around 1,000 possessions last year, the Wizards had a +5.6 net rating with KP at the 4, and Gafford at the 5. Considering they had a -1.7 net for the season, that’s damn good.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1674508846797058081

Kristaps Porzingis and his new number eight jersey.

View: https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1674509835637780481

Kristaps Porzingis on playing with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown: “I want to come here to make life easier for those guys. … I think it can be a great combination.”

View: https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1674511237751660546

Kristaps Porzingis on the possibility of appearing in the playoffs and playing better than he did the last time he was there: “I don’t know if I’ll be ready for it. Who knows?”
 

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View: https://twitter.com/NBCSCeltics/status/1674512354665549827

How motivating is it to be viewed by the Celtics as the piece that puts them over the top? Kristaps Porziņģis: "It's the most exciting feeling you can get"

View: https://twitter.com/NBCSCeltics/status/1674510617682538533

Kristaps Porziņģis: "Very excited when I first heard the news & it was a pretty easy decision for me"

View: https://twitter.com/JoshBrogadirTV/status/1674510908784013323

Kristaps Porzingis will wear #8 with the Celtics. He wore #6 his entire NBA career but clearly that wasn’t going to be possible with the Celtics (or anywhere else in the league).
 

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What does his contract/the CBA say? Because, as you point out, this is a business, and the CBA and his contract control.
I'm aware that it allows for it. I just disagree with starting rotation players or even 6th man types doing it. End of the bench guys and G league guys? Have at it. Otherwise, I think it's just not smart to do.