Hall of Fame balloting
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Bonds: 34.7%
Smith: 29.9%
Schilling 29.2%
Martinez: 25.2%
Trammell: 20.8%
Mussina: 20.3%
Kent: 15.2%
McGriff: 11.7%
McGwire: 11.0%
Smith: 29.9%
Schilling 29.2%
Martinez: 25.2%
Trammell: 20.8%
Mussina: 20.3%
Kent: 15.2%
McGriff: 11.7%
McGwire: 11.0%
So 16 people didn't vote for Maddux.
We need explanations from all of them.
And then remove their ballots.
We need explanations from all of them.
And then remove their ballots.
Normally I don't give a shit about some writer throwing a vote to some player not really worthy but whom he liked. But this year when the limit of 10 really counted it was ridiculous.
Of course when you take into account Cox, Torre and LaRussa added to Maddux, Glavine and Big Hurt, this year is pretty epic as well.
I'm still pissed Biggio and Bags aren't in there yet. Biggio's the only guy who excelled at C and 2B (not to mention play CF passably) while providing great offense. Bagwell's got a 149 OPS+ at first and stole 200 bases.
ARGH.
ARGH.
CaptainLaddie said:
As a native Houstonian, I can't tell you how fucking furious I am right now. Like, white hot anger.
Jeff Wilson @JeffWilson_FWST 12s
Mike Maddux on brother Greg: "He had 355 wins. If you count all the wiffle-ball games we played, he'd probably have around 356."
Mike Maddux on brother Greg: "He had 355 wins. If you count all the wiffle-ball games we played, he'd probably have around 356."
Kind of interesting how three managers get in, at least two of whom (LaRussa and Torre) have records that benefited greatly from players who will never be in the HoF due to their PED usage.
And yeah, 25.2% ignored Biggio, but the difference (2 votes) could easily be made up if people like Gurnick, Chass, etc. voted rationally.
And yeah, 25.2% ignored Biggio, but the difference (2 votes) could easily be made up if people like Gurnick, Chass, etc. voted rationally.
Well, a bit more than 25% didn't vote for Biggio, not just a couple of guys. It's likely that there were people who would have voted for him but for the 10 person limit.
We know Gurnick and Chass don't have the full ballot excuse, so they are easy and reasonable targets.
I'm kind of embarrassed how glad I was to hear Morris missed out. But oh well. Gotta buy a ticket there, warrior.
Being two shy means he'll get in but Biggio not getting the call stings, particularly coming on the heels of all these idiotic soapbox votes. He's a clear cut HoFer. Period.
And fuck, Raines has a rough road with all the names coming up. Ugh.
Being two shy means he'll get in but Biggio not getting the call stings, particularly coming on the heels of all these idiotic soapbox votes. He's a clear cut HoFer. Period.
And fuck, Raines has a rough road with all the names coming up. Ugh.
Couldn't agree moreCaptainLaddie said:
dittoCaptainLaddie said:
Those 16 should be publicly executed. Seriously.moondog80 said:
Raines should've been in long ago and Bagwell/Biggio should've made it last year.DrewDawg said:
This, along with Bobby Cox, will make for a memorable induction - but there should've been more. I'd love to see someone have the courage of Ted Williams and create a rally cry for other deserving candidates who are being unfairly treated by some writers.JimD said:
It would be nice if they vote Schilling in next year with Pedro and Randy, but that might be too much to ask, as it might be that Bagwell goes in with Biggio.
Bonds and Clemens belong in the Hall. The racists that cheated the country out of decades of watching some of the best players compete in MLB committed a much greater crime against the game and humanity than anyone who took PEDs.
Bonds and Clemens belong in the Hall. The racists that cheated the country out of decades of watching some of the best players compete in MLB committed a much greater crime against the game and humanity than anyone who took PEDs.
Maddux thanked Dick Pole and another pitching coach for getting him along the way to what he ended up being. Glavine his father and mother. Interesting.
jsinger121 said:
Exactly what I was thinking. But if it happens, it will be a Pyrrhic victory for Morris.
I don't understand these writers capriciousness in any way.
Frank Thomas hit 39 home runs at the age of 38, in 2006, but he's assumed to be clean. Because.
Mike Piazza was a shell of his former offensive self from age 35 onward, a natural downward trajectory. But he's assumed to be dirty. Because.
Frank Thomas hit 39 home runs at the age of 38, in 2006, but he's assumed to be clean. Because.
Mike Piazza was a shell of his former offensive self from age 35 onward, a natural downward trajectory. But he's assumed to be dirty. Because.
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IHateDaveKerpen said:
Biggio's getting in, dude. It's going to happen. I'm not sure if there's been a player in the last 20 years who's reached 70% and not eventually gotten in. This isn't a Blyleven or Rice situation where his time is nearly up.
There were 16 people that could look at Maddux's career and not see instantly "Hall of Famer". Those 16 people don't know baseball, period! I thought you had to know something about baseball to get a vote. They are all baseball ignorant and should immediately have their voting rights revoked. The only exception is if they voted for 10 others and figured Maddux didn't "need the vote".
Biggio should be in as well, and not just because of reaching the magical 3,000 hits. Lots of doubles, decent HR power for a C/2B, great baserunning, good OBP, and solid defense including Gold Glove award.
Bagwell is one of the best first basemen in history. OPS+, defense, baserunning
Piazza the best offensive catcher in history.
Schilling has the best K/BB ratio in history and has multiple postseason "moments".
Glad it's better than last year, but they are far from getting it right. Remove the 10 player limit, even if it is temporary to "relieve the jam", and give voting privileges to the new, younger, Sabermetric savvy sportswriters. And, MOST OF ALL, remove the privileges of these old sportswriters who don't take it seriously and use the voting privilege to prove some agenda that it isn't as good as it was in the "golden days".
Biggio should be in as well, and not just because of reaching the magical 3,000 hits. Lots of doubles, decent HR power for a C/2B, great baserunning, good OBP, and solid defense including Gold Glove award.
Bagwell is one of the best first basemen in history. OPS+, defense, baserunning
Piazza the best offensive catcher in history.
Schilling has the best K/BB ratio in history and has multiple postseason "moments".
Glad it's better than last year, but they are far from getting it right. Remove the 10 player limit, even if it is temporary to "relieve the jam", and give voting privileges to the new, younger, Sabermetric savvy sportswriters. And, MOST OF ALL, remove the privileges of these old sportswriters who don't take it seriously and use the voting privilege to prove some agenda that it isn't as good as it was in the "golden days".
JohntheBaptist said:
Apologies for not understanding the Calvinball that is the HoF voting process, but Morris could still get in via a Veteran's Committee vote, right?
Edit: Realized this thread's embiggened as I wrote this.
I can't get over the fact that more people voted for Lee Smith than Schilling, Trammell, Martinez, or Mussina. That is mind blowing. What's the difference between Smith, John Franco, and Jeff Reardon? Is there one? Because those guys didn't get 5%, yet big Lee is chugging along.