Gordon Hayward 2020: I'm standing here in pieces and you're having delusions of grandeur!

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There is zero incentive for Stevens to say anything else, too; why put pressure on the guy by creating an expectation he may very well be physically unable to meet?
 

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And this series can potentially run until the end of next week. So, we're talking middle of ECF if dates hold.
If the C's can get past Toronto, let's hope the Bucks-Heat series goes the full seven games.

Another possibility: If the West series lag well behind the East, perhaps the NBA will delay the start of the ECF.
 

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Thread title candidates:

- Would it help if I got out and pushed?
- Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Hayward craves not these things.
- This deal's getting worse all the time!
- I'm standing here in pieces and you're having delusions of grandeur!
- Dispense with the pleasantries and get back on schedule
- More machine now than man
 

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If the C's can get past Toronto, let's hope the Bucks-Heat series goes the full seven games.

Another possibility: If the West series lag well behind the East, perhaps the NBA will delay the start of the ECF.
Yeah, I have to think they will sync of the conference finals as much as possible. Obviously one can still go 4 games and the other 7, but if you start one early and that only goes 4 or 5 games, and the other starts 4 days later and goes 7?
 

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Thread title candidates:

- Would it help if I got out and pushed?
- Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Hayward craves not these things.
- This deal's getting worse all the time!
- I'm standing here in pieces and you're having delusions of grandeur!
- Dispense with the pleasantries and get back on schedule
- More machine now than man
Maternity Hayward
 

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How big have the Miami wins been?

Well at the least (assuming the 2-0 Celts move on) they might not play the Heat until 9/12 (Game 6 2nd round game scheduled on 9/10) If it goes 7 games then they would play the bucks/heat on 9/14.

So if the timeline (9/15 is close) then he MIGHT be back for game one. Should be back for game 2 (9/16) and would likely play a role in Games 3-7 (Sept 1:cool:.

Obviously if Miami sweeps (and Boston Sweeps) then we are looking at almost an entire week of games before Gordo is back (Starting Sept 8). The plus side is its against Miami rather then Milwaukee (had the Bucks swept).

Any losses by Miami or Boston will delay that start and in theory give Hayward time to recover.

Even 2 Sweeps by Boston (and a corresponding sweep by Miami) gets Gordon back in time for the finals.

(all based on the 9/15 being accurate and the Baby).
 

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Wouldn’t the East finals begin around when the West begins? Given they are just starting tonight perhaps we’re looking at 9/18-9/20 date?
 

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Wouldn’t the East finals begin around when the West begins? Given they are just starting tonight perhaps we’re looking at 9/18-9/20 date?
Yeah, I doubt the start the East much before the West if it ends early. They will try to sync that up as much as possible. You can't start the East a week earlier, watch it be over in 4 games, while the West is on Game 2 and it potentially goes 7.

If the 2 current East series wrap up in 4 or 5, I would imagine they'll have a bit of a break before starting the ECF.
 

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First things first, the C's have to win this series or it's a moot point. But I was hoping Hayward's wife would have had their child by now. Even if Hayward ankle improves enough for him to play in the ECF, it seems unlikely he'd be there for every game, unless the West series run long and the NBA keeps the East finalists on ice for a while.
 

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First things first, the C's have to win this series or it's a moot point. But I was hoping Hayward's wife would have had their child by now. Even if Hayward ankle improves enough for him to play in the ECF, it seems unlikely he'd be there for every game, unless the West series run long and the NBA keeps the East finalists on ice for a while.
Didn’t Van Gundy allude to him sacrificing being there for the birth in favor of being with the team?
 

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The TNT folks said they Haywards wre expecting "end of the month", which is not great for us - but I also wouldn't expect the TNT folks to be the most plugged into the Celtics stuff.

It did sound like his ankle recovery was going a little bit better than I had feared. At least he is weight bearing.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a recent “honey, the Bucks are about to lose, this might be the best shot I ever get at a championship” conversation in that household.
 

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If Gordon didn’t want to miss the birth of his first son, he shouldn’t have kicked that pink balloon during his last kid’s gender reveal.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a recent “honey, the Bucks are about to lose, this might be the best shot I ever get at a championship” conversation in that household.
Agreed. And this is such an outlier situation with the extra quarantining.

I’m stoked.
 

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I feel like I've heard more about Hayward's expected child than I heard about my own expected child back at the time.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a recent “honey, the Bucks are about to lose, this might be the best shot I ever get at a championship” conversation in that household.
He's a pro, has missed an entire season, but always pushed him set lf. I doubt there is anything conditional about his desire to play. That is who he is.
 

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He's a pro, has missed an entire season, but always pushed him set lf. I doubt there is anything conditional about his desire to play. That is who he is.
Oh, I don't doubt his desire in the least. But precise context matters when you're talking about potentially missing the birth of a child.
 

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I don't judge him either way---it's an incredibly difficult call and I support any player wanting to be with their family. In the ultra-unique pandemic/bubble post-season it is even more true that the player should do what they think is right for them.

If indeed he decided that after missing time with the ankle he wanted to be in the bubble for the duration I sure hope that is seen as a sign of how much a team player Hayward is and how strong the team bond among the Celtics is right now.

Oh, and fuck you Kyrie :)
 

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It was an instagram:
Thanks. A few thoughts on this:

- I do feel a bit uncomfortable knowing that people (not aimed at anyone in particular) are searching his wife’s Instagram for clues on if her husband will return to play a sport or not. Obviously some people have taken this further and directly told her to get induced to have the child because of his injury. Something about the mixing of sports and personal lives has always creeped me out, with social media now breaking the physical boundaries that usually exist there. I have a longer personal story on that from friends playing in Europe.

- it wouldn’t shock me if the right want to read that is he’ll return as the baby is being born. The kids will likely not be in the hospital. I could see a situation where GH flys home and goes straight to the hospital and then sees the kids later that day/next day before returning to the bubble.

- I’d guess the most probable situation in my mind would be; Hayward returned now to finish rehab and thinks he’s close to returning. Celtics finish the Raptors without him, next series starts around ~9/18, he plays the first few games (hopefully) and returns home for the end of the month when she’s due. He then returns for the finals if they advance that far.
 

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Thanks. A few thoughts on this:

- I do feel a bit uncomfortable knowing that people (not aimed at anyone in particular) are searching his wife’s Instagram for clues on if her husband will return to play a sport or not. Obviously some people have taken this further and directly told her to get induced to have the child because of his injury. Something about the mixing of sports and personal lives has always creeped me out, with social media now breaking the physical boundaries that usually exist there. I have a longer personal story on that from friends playing in Europe.
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I mean...she puts everything on Instagram. She has 96K followers; this isn't some podunk account that is being sought out by stalkers.

It's definitely a bit weird/creepy, and if I were friends with the Haywards, I'd recommend that they stop posting their kids' lives on Insta. But Robyn has clearly made a decision that she's fine with it, so go with god imo.
 

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I mean...she puts everything on Instagram. She has 96K followers; this isn't some podunk account that is being sought out by stalkers.

It's definitely a bit weird/creepy, and if I were friends with the Haywards, I'd recommend that they stop posting their kids' lives on Insta. But Robyn has clearly made a decision that she's fine with it, so go with god imo.
25 seconds of searching on the internet led me to this. YMMV

View: https://twitter.com/KwaniALunis/status/1296475836686774274
 

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- it wouldn’t shock me if the right want to read that is he’ll return as the baby is being born. The kids will likely not be in the hospital. I could see a situation where GH flys home and goes straight to the hospital and then sees the kids later that day/next day before returning to the bubble.
Yea I don't see how it's definitive proof one way or the other.
 

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It's embarassing that people asked her about inducing....get a grip people.

I think the team's role here is simple: let GH know that they support him in whatever choice he makes and that he'll have full access to team resources---doctors, planes, etc.---to the degree he needs them. Then let him make a decision and support that decision, whatever it is, fully both publicly and privately.

Do anything else and they deserve what happens in future free agency, etc.
 

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It's embarassing that people asked her about inducing....get a grip people.

I think the team's role here is simple: let GH know that they support him in whatever choice he makes and that he'll have full access to team resources---doctors, planes, etc.---to the degree he needs them. Then let him make a decision and support that decision, whatever it is, fully both publicly and privately.

Do anything else and they deserve what happens in future free agency, etc.
Agreed. Frankly it's embarrassing as a fan of the team to know that such a thing happened.
 

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It's embarassing that people asked her about inducing....get a grip people.

I think the team's role here is simple: let GH know that they support him in whatever choice he makes and that he'll have full access to team resources---doctors, planes, etc.---to the degree he needs them. Then let him make a decision and support that decision, whatever it is, fully both publicly and privately.

Do anything else and they deserve what happens in future free agency, etc.
Agreed. Frankly it's embarrassing as a fan of the team to know that such a thing happened.
Well said.
 

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25 seconds of searching on the internet led me to this. YMMV
On the one hand, it's disgusting that people would message her about that to the point where she had to put out that video.

On the other hand, if you're married to a public figure, you either can choose to remain as private as possible and maintain some expectation of privacy and dignity, or you can choose to be a public figure too, and accept that that comes with the price of a bunch of sausageheads thinking that you're part of the panoply of entertainment they have access to - but you can't have it both ways.

She doesn't appear to want it both ways, mind you - she seems to recognize the bargain she's taken by choosing the latter, and frankly seems pretty unperturbed even by the more-perturbing shit that happens. But let's not be shocked and appalled about what happens when you put yourself out there with public profiles and posts on The Internet.
 

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On the one hand, it's disgusting that people would message her about that to the point where she had to put out that video.

On the other hand, if you're married to a public figure, you either can choose to remain as private as possible and maintain some expectation of privacy and dignity, or you can choose to be a public figure too, and accept that that comes with the price of a bunch of sausageheads thinking that you're part of the panoply of entertainment they have access to - but you can't have it both ways.

She doesn't appear to want it both ways, mind you - she seems to recognize the bargain she's taken by choosing the latter, and frankly seems pretty unperturbed even by the more-perturbing shit that happens. But let's not be shocked and appalled about what happens when you put yourself out there with public profiles and posts on The Internet.
I would suggest that this is not the issue you want to be making this argument on. The behavior of the fans that is being discussed is disgusting and unacceptable, period.
 

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Which is why I made that statement my very first sentence.

My commentary is not about her, but about the expectations some people here apparently have.
 

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Which is why I made that statement my very first sentence.

My commentary is not about her, but about the expectations some people here apparently have.
No offense but....

You see, what I said after that doesn't matter because I specifically prefaced my comments by saying you couldn't take offense! On the one hand, she should be able to live her life mostly normally. On the other hand, let me write 3 paragraphs telling you why she shouldn't because weirdos will attack her and make her feel uncomfortable and it's her fault for living her life.
 

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My point, restated: If we're going to spend time worrying about what the worst-common-denominator on the internet did or said to some public figure over social media, this is going to be a noisy and depressing forum. I humbly suggest we worry about such obnoxious things even less than Robyn Hayward evidently does.

I will avoid further comment on this line of discussion, though I welcome PMs if someone wants further reply.
 

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I would suggest that this is not the issue you want to be making this argument on. The behavior of the fans that is being discussed is disgusting and unacceptable, period.
The behavior of human beings is universally awful. When you become a celebrity you make yourself the object of those terrible human beings. From my college days I have friends that are celebrities so I've heard them recounting the horror stories. But it's also par for the course when you choose to live life in the public eye and most of them are prepared for it.

Instagram accounts have a privacy feature that she clearly isn't using with that particular account (I'm assuming that like most she has public and private accounts), so she's clearly comfortable with the material she's sharing there.
 

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The behavior of human beings is universally awful. When you become a celebrity you make yourself the object of those terrible human beings. From my college days I have friends that are celebrities so I've heard them recounting the horror stories. But it's also par for the course when you choose to live life in the public eye and most of them are prepared for it.

Instagram accounts have a privacy feature that she clearly isn't using with that particular account (I'm assuming that like most she has public and private accounts), so she's clearly comfortable with the material she's sharing there.
Especially online. So much of what gets said online is something that people wouldn't dare say to each other in person. Social media really brings out the worst in people.
 

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Oh god I could tell you some horror stories if it didn't mean violating the confidence of friends. They laugh off about 99.9% of it as man, people be crazy and stupid, but they all have stories of that .1% that makes them nervous.
 

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Oh god I could tell you some horror stories if it didn't mean violating the confidence of friends. They laugh off about 99.9% of it as man, people be crazy and stupid, but they all have stories of that .1% that makes them nervous.
I mean, there are certainly enough stalker stories to make any celebrity or celebrity spouse nervous. Some of them are really crazy.
 

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Am I the only person who doesn’t feel embarrassed that I root for the same sports team as some shitheads who are outspoken on social media?

This isn’t fans shouting racial slurs at the stadium and not being dealt with, which reflects on all of us (not because there aren’t racists in every fan base, but because we’ve apparently not done as good a job pressuring our racists into silence as other fan bases have). Rather, this kerfuffle is something that could happen to any team, no matter how enlightened its management and the bulk of its fan base might be. Even Robyn Hayward seems to understand this.
 

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Am I the only person who doesn’t feel embarrassed that I root for the same sports team as some shitheads who are outspoken on social media?

This isn’t fans shouting racial slurs at the stadium and not being dealt with, which reflects on all of us (not because there aren’t racists in every fan base, but because we’ve apparently not done as good a job pressuring our racists into silence as other fan bases have). Rather, this kerfuffle is something that could happen to any team, no matter how enlightened its management and the bulk of its fan base might be. Even Robyn Hayward seems to understand this.
+1, and it reflects on a culture set by ownership - where this x% isn't shown the door. #cancel
 

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+1, and it reflects on a culture set by ownership - where this x% isn't shown the door. #cancel
What? No one said cancel the Celtics. This started with me saying I found it a bit strange people were going through a players wife’s Instagram stories looking for clues to when her husband may or may not play a basketball game.
 

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Sure, see adam jones. That many fans don't get thrown out if there is a culture of anti-racism embedded in the organization, the fans and the systems that enable tose fans have ignored it. We need to hold the entirety more accountable

Also - I have had a few cocktails... may have missed the point. but if I haven't, the expectation starts with ownership...
 

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What? No one said cancel the Celtics. This started with me saying I found it a bit strange people were going through a players wife’s Instagram stories looking for clues to when her husband may or may not play a basketball game.
see: cocktals. apologies, and yes leave the wives accounts alone.