Gordon Hayward 2020: I'm standing here in pieces and you're having delusions of grandeur!

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I don’t think (or hope) anyone is actually embarrassed to be a Celtics fan because some morons sent dumb shit messages to Robyn Hayward on social media. Sending those messages or making those posts is pretty personally embarrassing though.
 

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Anyway let’s move on. I started this mess with my tangent.

I assume he’ll be nearing the end of his quarantine in the next day or two, so he’ll have ~1 week to get into game shape for the Heat series if the ankle is healed. It’s been 3 weeks since he injured it, so that would align with the initial 4 week estimate.

I’d assume he wouldn’t have come back if he was going to leave within the next week.
 

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Am I the only person who doesn’t feel embarrassed that I root for the same sports team as some shitheads who are outspoken on social media?

This isn’t fans shouting racial slurs at the stadium and not being dealt with, which reflects on all of us (not because there aren’t racists in every fan base, but because we’ve apparently not done as good a job pressuring our racists into silence as other fan bases have). Rather, this kerfuffle is something that could happen to any team, no matter how enlightened its management and the bulk of its fan base might be. Even Robyn Hayward seems to understand this.
You should really re-read and re-think that comparsion...to the degree we should be held responsible for "pressuring" people into better behavior you are creating the same accountability in both situations. The team owns whether people get kicked out/not ok...that would make sense if you left it there. But suggesting being an asshole to women is different than being a racist is, I suspect, not what you intended, or how you think about it, but it is the implication of that post
 
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You should really re-read and re-think that comparsion...to the degree we should be held responsible for "pressuring" people into better behavior you are creating the same accountability in both situations. The team owns whether people get kicked out/not ok...that would make sense if you left it there. But suggesting being an asshole to women is different than being a racist is, I suspect, not what you intended, or how you think about it, but it is the implication of that post
I thought my point was clear — we have some control over what is considered socially acceptable at the stadium, but no ability to control what an anonymous asshole says on social media. But you’ve had a hard-on for me for a long time, so I’m not at all surprised you’d try to deliberately misconstrue my words to imply that I think sexism is ok.
 

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I thought my point was clear — we have some control over what is considered socially acceptable at the stadium, but no ability to control what an anonymous asshole says on social media. But you’ve had a hard-on for me for a long time, so I’m not at all surprised you’d try to deliberately misconstrue my words to imply that I think sexism is ok.
I get you are not embarassed by people acting like assholes---I simply disagree with you.
 

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From the wife's statement, it seems to me that Hayward is in the bubble for the duration of the Celtics' playoff run. Hopefully, he can get on the court for game one or two of the ECF, assuming the Cs close out the Raptors. Miami is playing well, and a relatively healthy Hayward will be needed.
 

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Wannamaker played reasonably in the last game, which was a huge upgrade from the 4 travel game. Regardless, Hayward is a huge upgrade and will definitely be needed against Miami. Finals bound!
 

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Maybe I'm way off but am I the only one who doesn't expect to see him for the rest of the season? It seems like he isn't doing any work on the court yet and it's going to take him a while just to get his conditioning back. The ECF or Finals is a tough time to play yourself into shape.
If he and the team didn't think that there was a legitimate chance, he wouldn't be in the bubble.

I would guess that they're targeting something like 10-15 minutes/game.
 

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Let's say the C's wrap the series up tonite. Does the NBA go ahead and announce when the ECF will start, or does it wait a while to see what happens in the West? Both of those series conceivably could be over in five games, but I'm guessing each will go at least six.

Obviously, the more time Hayward has to heal, the better for Boston.
 

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Walking in the grass without shoes to strengthen the ankle is pretty far off from where he'll need to be to consider bringing him back.
 

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Maybe I'm way off but am I the only one who doesn't expect to see him for the rest of the season? It seems like he isn't doing any work on the court yet and it's going to take him a while just to get his conditioning back. The ECF or Finals is a tough time to play yourself into shape.
I guess it depends. If it's structurally sound then it may be a matter of pain management, and trust in his own body. Of course, I'm not a doctor, and my comment is based on my own bad ankle sprains for which I did not need to recover to the degree of, say, playing NBA basketball. Though I did tour the Colosseum, the Forum, and walk to Trastevere and back to the Trevi area just a few weeks after thinking I had Haywarded my foot while accidentally stepping off a curb during a run, which is pretty comparable to trying to hit a layup over Bam Adebayo.
 
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Maybe I'm way off but am I the only one who doesn't expect to see him for the rest of the season? It seems like he isn't doing any work on the court yet and it's going to take him a while just to get his conditioning back. The ECF or Finals is a tough time to play yourself into shape.
They really only need him for bench depth to keep much worse players from seeing the floor.
 

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Maybe I'm way off but am I the only one who doesn't expect to see him for the rest of the season? It seems like he isn't doing any work on the court yet and it's going to take him a while just to get his conditioning back. The ECF or Finals is a tough time to play yourself into shape.
If you were in his shoes feet in the grass, would you return to the bubble instead of staying with your 8.5 mth pregnant wife and 3 kids if you didn't expect to return? If you thought you were even 2-3 weeks away, why would you return? Why come into an environment were you're confined to your room for four days just to rehab?
 

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If you were in his shoes feet in the grass, would you return to the bubble instead of staying with your 8.5 mth pregnant wife and 3 kids if you didn't expect to return? If you thought you were even 2-3 weeks away, why would you return? Why come into an environment were you're confined to your room for four days just to rehab?
Exactly.
 

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I don't know, I guess I was hoping we'd hear he's at least running and shooting at this point. 9 hours from now we'll be waiting to hear when the ECF schedule will be released ;) so it seems unlikely to me that he's going to be ready for any game in the ECF, but perhaps he and the team think there's a chance he could be ready to go at some point in the Finals.
 

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Let's say the C's wrap the series up tonite. Does the NBA go ahead and announce when the ECF will start, or does it wait a while to see what happens in the West? Both of those series conceivably could be over in five games, but I'm guessing each will go at least six.

Obviously, the more time Hayward has to heal, the better for Boston.
If we finish it out tonight, I think the ECF starts up on Sunday or Monday. The earliest that the two WC series can be over is Friday and Saturday respectively. If the Clippers/Nuggets ends in 5, then there is no game scheduled for Sunday so they can put Game 1 of ECF in that window. I don't think they'd want 2 games on Sunday due to lost ratings with NFL. So if Denver/LA goes to 6, the ECF probably would start Monday either at 6:30(if LA/Houston is still going) or 8:00 if they are the only game. I also don't think they'd have both finals series being played on the same day so even if the West semis are over on Saturday night I can see that series starting on Tuesday.
 

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If we finish it out tonight, I think the ECF starts up on Sunday or Monday. The earliest that the two WC series can be over is Friday and Saturday respectively. If the Clippers/Nuggets ends in 5, then there is no game scheduled for Sunday so they can put Game 1 of ECF in that window. I don't think they'd want 2 games on Sunday due to lost ratings with NFL. So if Denver/LA goes to 6, the ECF probably would start Monday either at 6:30(if LA/Houston is still going) or 8:00 if they are the only game. I also don't think they'd have both finals series being played on the same day so even if the West semis are over on Saturday night I can see that series starting on Tuesday.
According to this, Conference Finals are scheduled to start the 15th and the NBA Finals Game 1 is scheduled for September 30.

From what I am seeing, it seems like September 30 is set in stone. Could be wrong about that. But if that is correct and GH is walking right now, it seems to me that he should be able to run and cut by then. I'm sure he's doing stationary shooting drills too.

Fingers crossed.
 

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According to this, Conference Finals are scheduled to start the 15th and the NBA Finals Game 1 is scheduled for September 30.

From what I am seeing, it seems like September 30 is set in stone. Could be wrong about that. But if that is correct and GH is walking right now, it seems to me that he should be able to run and cut by then. I'm sure he's doing stationary shooting drills too.

Fingers crossed.
Agreed. I guess its possible that if this were to go to 6 or 7 games he may be avail for some limited action at the very very best.
 

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According to this, Conference Finals are scheduled to start the 15th and the NBA Finals Game 1 is scheduled for September 30.

From what I am seeing, it seems like September 30 is set in stone. Could be wrong about that. But if that is correct and GH is walking right now, it seems to me that he should be able to run and cut by then. I'm sure he's doing stationary shooting drills too.

Fingers crossed.
The 15th is wrong because Game 7 of Denver/LA is scheduled for that day. They will adjust the starts of series based on how long the previous series go.
 

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It's been 3 weeks since he got hurt. My read of the PR about his rehab is that he's done with the "rest-and-elevate" stage, and he and the team felt it would be best if he worked directly with the team's trainers in the bubble. And contrary to the popular meme, the team's medical staff did not cause this injury; sometimes, stuff happens. So I'm fairly confident they did this with the intention of Hayward eventually returning before the end of the playoffs.

Two weeks of getting his strength back does not seem like a stretch, especially if he'll be asked to play situationally upon his return. We'll probably know more by this time next week. Usual caveats apply: not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.
 

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I know this is a little off topic but wouldn’t they want to wait for the West to finish to start the ECF? If they start early and one team sweeps and the WCF goes 7 doesn’t that put the winner of the East on ice for at least a week? Wouldn’t seem fair
 

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If you were in his shoes feet in the grass, would you return to the bubble instead of staying with your 8.5 mth pregnant wife and 3 kids if you didn't expect to return? If you thought you were even 2-3 weeks away, why would you return? Why come into an environment were you're confined to your room for four days just to rehab?
And further putting your feet in his grass - imagine if you were like "nah, it's not worth it to rehab to play ten minutes in two games of the NBA Finals that my team might or might not be playing", and then your team won the NBA Championship without you? You absolutely go through the rehab for that.
 

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Walking in the grass without shoes to strengthen the ankle is pretty far off from where he'll need to be to consider bringing him back.
It seems that way, but we really dont know. What if one day of walking barefoot without trouble means he can go to step 2, and so on? Obviously, if he's limping through the grass, then not so much.
 

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I know this is a little off topic but wouldn’t they want to wait for the West to finish to start the ECF? If they start early and one team sweeps and the WCF goes 7 doesn’t that put the winner of the East on ice for at least a week? Wouldn’t seem fair
That’s not how the NBA works. It’s not how they have ever worked.
 

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Besides the strengthening of his injured ankle itself, I don't see why it's far-fetched to assume a professional athlete can get back in shape in two weeks after just 3 weeks of inactivity.
 

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Two weeks of getting his strength back does not seem like a stretch, especially if he'll be asked to play situationally upon his return. We'll probably know more by this time next week. Usual caveats apply: not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.
Yes, but did you sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
 

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That’s not how the NBA works. It’s not how they have ever worked.
It generally is how they work. They like broadcasting the conference finals at the same time, that way there's a high stakes game every night. Having one conference final ending as the other is starting isn't optimal. That's why the start date for the next round is next Tuesday pending the WCF ending (i.e. if both WCF series end on Saturday the CF would likely start Sunday or Monday rather than Tuesday).
 

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Am I the only person who doesn’t feel embarrassed that I root for the same sports team as some shitheads who are outspoken on social media?

This isn’t fans shouting racial slurs at the stadium and not being dealt with, which reflects on all of us (not because there aren’t racists in every fan base, but because we’ve apparently not done as good a job pressuring our racists into silence as other fan bases have). Rather, this kerfuffle is something that could happen to any team, no matter how enlightened its management and the bulk of its fan base might be. Even Robyn Hayward seems to understand this.
I am with you. Maybe I would feel something if I kept track of this stuff more closely? But finding out that a few (I am assuming a few; please don't tell me it is a million-plus) knuckleheads are commenting on someone's public Instagram page in an offensive manner does not move me at all.

There is so much to be outraged and upset about in 2020. Comments about inducing labor on an Instagram page just does not rise to that level for me.
 

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Besides the strengthening of his injured ankle itself, I don't see why it's far-fetched to assume a professional athlete can get back in shape in two weeks after just 3 weeks of inactivity.
(not directed at you @uk_sox_fan just think its time we find out if this is a real thing or some "Well its common sense...these are NBA ATHLETES" kinda thing)
We have taken this as gospel for a long time.

Do we have any examples of how long a player really needs to come back after 2-3 week layoff stamina wise?

Comments of "well he is working his way into playing shape" seem like coach speak for "I cant play him 30 mins, so dont expect that".

I am not an NBA caliber athlete. Shocking I know, but if I take 2 weeks off of the (minor) fitness regime I DO do, I can be back to where I was in 3-4 workouts.

I am just looking for some confirmation that when a player is out 3 week they then need 2 Weeks to get "conditioning" back.

Is that to get back to where they were? Is that to be effective 10-15 mins a game? is that to even compete on an NBA floor?

Generally I seem to recall when a player comes back is and HEALTHY enough to play then they are able to compete Stamina-wise for large chunks of the game. Maybe not 30 mins but 15-20 certainly. Anyone recall any recent examples of this (or the opposite)?

So while the "only walking in the grass" thing might be troubling.....I have little doubt that GH or any NBA player could basically roll out of Bed at the beginning of the season and play 15 mins of high caliber exercise.
 

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Walking in the grass without shoes to strengthen the ankle is pretty far off from where he'll need to be to consider bringing him back.
Great, cleared for Covid and then gets a poisonous spider bite going barefoot.

On the positive side, he now gets to attend game 7 in person?
 

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Hard to believe we were talking about walking on grass seems like just days ago. He looks ready to go.