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Divertypeguy

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this dame trade vs no trade stuff is tiring but man has it been nice drawing away media from some nonsense reports throughout this offseason
 

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At least they have Grant locked up for 32 million a year to build around ;)
It took less than 24 hours for a terrible contract to some how look twice as bad.

I'd love to be wrong, but all signs point to Miami. Lillard will be 33 and Butler 34, but that's a pretty terrifying end game duo.
 

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Jaxson Hayes to the Lakers, apparently for the vet minimum. Seems like LA has decided to blow out the budget for LBJ's last season or two as a Laker. Every time I think "well, now they definitely don't have money for Reaves," they sign someone else.
They have tons money left, going to get Reaves at a great price plus probably re-sign Russell
 

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Derrick White is better.
Sure, but Richardson didn’t need to be traded in the transaction. Boston had a TPE to absorb the White contract. They chose to send out Richardson instead. They could really have used that extra body given that Udoka was already in playoff rotation mode.
 

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Paul George, or the proceeds of selling him I would guess? Not much worse than what MIA can offer
Oh, I assumed they’d look to keep George (would Dame really be that much better?), but that might not even work from a cap perspective.

EDIT - They could theoretically get there from a cap perspective if they kept George, actually, but it would involve players the Blazers probably wouldn’t be interested in.
 

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Perhaps unlikely but conceivable: what are Spurs doing with that cap room?
 

nighthob

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Oh, I assumed they’d look to keep George (would Dame really be that much better?), but that might not even work from a cap perspective.

EDIT - They could theoretically get there from a cap perspective if they kept George, actually, but it would involve players the Blazers probably wouldn’t be interested in.
I mean Powell has a lot of value and between Powell and Morris they’re most of the way there. But they’d definitely need a third team willing to eat MaMo for a pick or two to make it more palatable. But they’d need some first round draft picks because they’re mortgaged to OKC through 2026.
 

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Wait -- did that tweet say Dame is one of the 75 greatest basketball players of all time? I'd like to see that list.
 

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I mean Powell has a lot of value and between Powell and Morris they’re most of the way there. But they’d definitely need a third team willing to eat MaMo for a pick or two to make it more palatable. But they’d need some first round draft picks because they’re mortgaged to OKC through 2026.
Powell has very little value, they've been shopping him for weeks and all indications are his value is less bad contract and seconds. No chance POR wants him at 30 with 3/57 left when they traded him away a year ago because they didn't want to pay him that.

Even the Heat package is MUCH better than a LAC deal that doesn't involve Paul George
 

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I thought they could get a first for Powell to make the deal salable, if not then yeah, they’re out.
 

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It's funny - Miami has first-round picks to trade (2024 and 2026) while the Clips do not (no first rounders until 2027), but would you place much value on a Miami first-round pick? Those are probably never going to be higher than the teens as long as Riley and Spo are around.
 

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So Lillard is one of the 75 greatest players of all time but Jokic isn't? Hmm. (I realize the list is from October 2021, but still Jokic had won an MVP award at that point. Anyway ...) I think Lillard is pretty damn good, but also think he may be somewhat overrated.
 

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33 in 2 weeks. Makes the most sense for Miami given their short Butler window. Really annoying how things always seem to work out for Miami and LA.
 

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It's funny - Miami has first-round picks to trade (2024 and 2026) while the Clips do not (no first rounders until 2027), but would you place much value on a Miami first-round pick? Those are probably never going to be higher than the teens as long as Riley and Spo are around.
I was under the impression that the Heat had traded their 2025 (protected) #1, meaning they can’t move their picks in 2024 or 2026. 2027 and 2029 should be available, however.
 

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I was under the impression that the Heat had traded their 2025 (protected) #1, meaning they can’t move their picks in 2024 or 2026. 2027 and 2029 should be available, however.
The 2025 pick is protected then becomes unprotected in 2026, so the earliest they can trade in 2028.

However...I bet they are going to remove the protection as part of the Oladipo trade, opening the door to trade 2027 and 2029
 

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The 2025 pick is protected then becomes unprotected in 2026, so the earliest they can trade in 2028.

However...I bet they are going to remove the protection as part of the Oladipo trade, opening the door to trade 2026, 2028 and 2030
Thanks for the correction, pjheff. Getting picks that far out is just going to keep Portland in purgatory forever.
 

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That seems impossible because the only way to do that is move Jaylen?
I mean, Tatum was publicly working out with Durant during the rumors between the teams last summer lol.

I also think we could beat the Heat package without Jaylen, as does Tatum I’m sure.
 

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I was under the impression that the Heat had traded their 2025 (protected) #1, meaning they can’t move their picks in 2024 or 2026. 2027 and 2029 should be available, however.
And a protected pick at that (unprotected in ‘26). Meaning that they’d have to strip the protections from it in order to send out ‘27 & ‘29.
 

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Does Dame have a no trade? Considering he just fucked them by leading them into that Grant contract, I'd send his ass to the Alaska expansion team.
 

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Every hour that goes by without a Brown extension makes you wonder.
I would need another meaningful asset to make that swap given their ages. But Jaylen would be a nice fit around a young PG like Scoot who wants to push the pace.
 

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I would need another meaningful asset to make that swap given their ages. But Jaylen would be a nice fit around a young PG like Scoot who wants to push the pace.
Yeah if the Cs are in it, the outgoing piece that beats all other moves is Jaylen. Can't see PDX settling for less.
 

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I would need another meaningful asset to make that swap given their ages. But Jaylen would be a nice fit around a young PG like Scoot who wants to push the pace.
Brown/Brogdon with a 3rd team would probably be the move.

But he probably wants the beach and no income tax.