Portland should trade Dame wherever they get the best deal. Dick move on his part to wait until after they signed Grant.
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lol I mean come on. That’s ridiculous. It’s not like Jaylen is all that good a defender himself to begin with.
Jaylen Brown’s defense is so much better than Damian Lillards it’s not even a conversation. I don’t even know how you can pretend they are even in the same stratosphere.
Well, actually, I do know but don’t act like your opinion is rooted in any sort of reality
You just said a team with Tatum, Horford, Timelord, Porzingis, and Derek White would be a “bad defensive team.” That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Jaylen is a worse defender than all 5 of those guys, so it’s not like you’re losing some stud on D. That was my point.
Yeah if you trade for Dame you need White to come off the bench if still here and Pritchard is gone. Your SG would be a defense first vet in the deal for salary matcj
Reports are that deal was agreed months ago and FO won't piss off the player (and powerful agency) by backing out. It's probably pretty tradeable anyway
Nets are interesting. Can they make a trade work without giving up Bridges, because no point if they have to give up Bridges.
Dinwiddle, Thomas, add in Clowney, find some way to make the Harris trade part of this. They can add in 3-4 of the Phoenix/Dallas/Philadelphia picks.
Knicks could put a good package together, but are you giving up on Brunson is that worth it, I can't see them playing together
Sigh, I won't stand for the Derrick White defensive heresy. Do you think he made All-Defense on his good looks?
H'e a plus defender guarding 1-3.
I get sticking him next to Dame (because DL is a traffic cone) would be less than ideal, but they'd be fine.
H'e a plus defender guarding 1-3.
I get sticking him next to Dame (because DL is a traffic cone) would be less than ideal, but they'd be fine.
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The 10 month campaign started yesterday on espn's free agency show. It'll be all lakers parade talk 24/7 here on out.
Yeah what are people talking about? He’s such a good defender and his size isn’t an issue against the vast majority of the 1s and 2s he is up against.
Obviously Lillard isn’t… neither is Jaylen (though he’s better than Dame of course).
A team with White, Tatum, KP, Rob, Al, and Grant is going to be good on D barring a bunch of injuries.
Dame isn’t good but he not IT level bad. He would be fine in a lineup we’d be putting out there.
Yeah. I'm not hating. The lakers had a decent free agency but lebron still had a pretty serious foot injury last year and AD is constantly injured.
Can't pull the tweets since twitter is broken but HOU used the rest of their cap..
4/80 for Dillon Brooks and 4/32 for Jock Landale
4/80 for Dillon Brooks and 4/32 for Jock Landale
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I can't believe it. Houston isn't the worst place for him, but how do you give that blockhead $80M?
I can't believe it. Houston isn't the worst place for him, but how do you give that blockhead $80M?
he's not as bad as people pretend. Also, word is it's frontloaded, so they'll likely get a nice little return on him in 2 years.
I retract the White portion of this, I was overreacting to the Jimmy matchup.
White is probably fine, then you get back a guard covering wing or combo guard, and move off Pritchard and that's a nice team.
What is the Rockets rotation? It seems like it’s a ton of money to remain a shitty team that’s now less likable and probably less fun to watch.
FVV, Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, KPJ
Brooks, Whitmore, JaSean Tate, Kenyon Martin Jr
Landale, Sengun.
Yeah….that’s not good
FVV, Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, KPJ
Brooks, Whitmore, JaSean Tate, Kenyon Martin Jr
Landale, Sengun.
Yeah….that’s not good
yes and no.
They would have to salary match, but I think the real answer is Harden opted in because he wasn't going to HOU (whether his choice or theirs) he didn't get a benefit by opting in for a trade, if he wanted to go to HOU the best way was to become a FA and sign there, because it's easier for HOU and better for him as they could actually give him slightly more money
Yup, I can't even envision what their rotation looks like at this point.
PG FVV , Amen thompson
SG Jalen Green, Kevin Porter Jr , Josh Christopher
SF Dillon Brooks, Kenyon Martin Jr, Cam Whitmore
PF Jabari Smith, Tari Eason
C Sengun, Landale
this doesn't even factor Jae'Sean Tate. Or anyone else who may still be there
I guess maybe it means Whitmore and Thompson spend a good portion of the season in the G-League? I don't see how everyone gets the minutes to develop
And this is after paying Atlanta 2 second round picks, and Cash, to take first round picks from 2021, and 2022 off their hands
FVV is there because nobody could run an offense and it hurt developing the kids, Landale is there becuse he's the only big who can play D, and they can trade him down the line or keep him as the backup big at a fair price. Brooks... I think they want someone to bring defensive intensity, and they think he's a distressed asset they can rehab and trade.
I would guess their rotation is:
FVV
Green
Brooks
Jabari Smith (you forgot last year's #3 pick)
Sengun
Thompson
Landale
THen everyone else is fighting for the 8-12 minutes or getting traded.
Looks like Kenyon Martin Jr. is going to the clippers. Hopefully KPJ is out the door next for their sake.
It will be interesting to see if they get anything for him, or if he is another guy they have to pay to get rid of
I don’t think there’s anyway KPJ is on the Rockets next year. No idea what team would actually want him
At 6’6” 235 Jaylen offers a little more resistance than the 6’3” 180lb White does.
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I don’t hate the FVV move but all of the other ones are not serious moves
I don’t hate the FVV move but all of the other ones are not serious moves
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Josh Christopher to Memphis, HOU clearing out the bottom of the roster
Josh Christopher to Memphis, HOU clearing out the bottom of the roster
Sure, but that doesn't mean he's worth anywhere near this number. He's Marcus Smart, except he's a bit worse defensively, can't pass, has less hustle, and his team hated him so much they're happy just letting him leave without getting anything in return. So of course, he just got the Marcus Smart deal.
Same. I could see the overpay for FVV because they had space and I think he's a great match to bring along their younger/immature players. But it was still an overpay given what he brings to the table. And the rest of these moves are terrible.
Clippers might a smart, sly little move...as usual.
I like Kenyon Martin Jr. an irrational amount for a borderline rotation guy.
I can't say I watched a ton of Rockets games the past few years, but when I did he really struck me as a guy who let the game come to him rather than trying to do too much. On a team of young dudes that all seemed to be trying to do too much on their own, I was impressed with him still playing team ball when no one else was.
I love this move for the Clippers.
You forgot to add he's a worse shooter and no an undisciplined Rockets team loves to fire up shots he's bad at -- he'll fit right in.
I don’t know if Wembanyama is religious, but he should be thanking God every day for the rest of his life that the ping pong balls didn’t fall for Houston.
Only because Smart isn't a FA, Smart would have gotten 27M+ a year in this cap environment. Thus the nature of NBA contracts, every year or two they take a jump. Smart signed (an extension so already usually means a discount) in 2021. Since then the MLE has gone up 30%. That alone puts him in the 25M a year equivalent range.. add in FA bump and that he won a DPOY... yeah if Marcus was a FA this year he's probably in HOU on a 4/110 type deal
No chance White is 180. I see him listed at 190 or 195 (and 6’4”). He looks at least that to me.
He was 2nd team All Defense this year, lead all guards in blocks, and his D metrics are off the charts better than Jaylen.
It’s not remotely close who is a better defender between those 2 on D.
also far more to D than just 1v1. White is probably better on-ball against all but a few players, he's much better off-ball in all circumstances, and in transition
Unless he had a magical mid 20s growth spurt, he’s the same height as he was at the draft combine, which is 6’3”. He might be as much as 190, but there’s a reason that wings pick on him in the postseason. He’s a great defender for his size, but that size is a delimiting factor. He’s great at the 1, but not so good at the 2. Thankfully there’s a zero percent chance of Boston moving him there.
Updates from the ESPN app. The Warriors losing Donte seemed inevitable, but that's still a tough loss.
8:00 p.m. ET: Free agent guard Donte DiVincenzo has agreed to a four-year, $50 million contract with the New York Knicks, sources tell ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
7:32 p.m. ET: The San Antonio Spurs have signed free agent center Sandro Mamukelashvili to a one-year, $2 million deal, his agent his agents George Roussakis and Mark Bartelstein told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
6:59 p.m. ET: The LA Clippers are trading for forward Kenyon Martin from the Houston Rockets in exchange for two future second-round picks, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. Martin in played in all 82 games last season with 49 starts, he averaged 12.7 points and 5.5 rebounds per game.
6:34 p.m. ET: The LA Clippers have agreed to re-sign veteran guard Russell Westbrook to a two-year deal worth nearly $8 million, his agent Jeff Schwartz told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The deal includes a player option. Westbrook joined the Clippers in a midseason trade from the Los Angeles Lakers this past season and took over as the team's starting point guard
8:00 p.m. ET: Free agent guard Donte DiVincenzo has agreed to a four-year, $50 million contract with the New York Knicks, sources tell ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
7:32 p.m. ET: The San Antonio Spurs have signed free agent center Sandro Mamukelashvili to a one-year, $2 million deal, his agent his agents George Roussakis and Mark Bartelstein told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
6:59 p.m. ET: The LA Clippers are trading for forward Kenyon Martin from the Houston Rockets in exchange for two future second-round picks, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. Martin in played in all 82 games last season with 49 starts, he averaged 12.7 points and 5.5 rebounds per game.
6:34 p.m. ET: The LA Clippers have agreed to re-sign veteran guard Russell Westbrook to a two-year deal worth nearly $8 million, his agent Jeff Schwartz told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The deal includes a player option. Westbrook joined the Clippers in a midseason trade from the Los Angeles Lakers this past season and took over as the team's starting point guard
Further reinforcing my long held belief that Dame is just a selfish prick and all the "I'm here for the grind" stuff was about constantly leveraging new supermax extensions every 18 months.
the haircut cost him a 1"
Donte, great signing by the Knicks. Another player I like better than Strus, who signed for quite a bit less
Didn’t realize Jeff Green was still in the Association until the playoffs. Glad he parlayed that ring into a little more guaranteed money.
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