THIS! Last night Felger was on with CHB and Troy Brown and asked TB about Deflategate and he dismissed it as a joke. Felger pushed him and asked "If that were you and you went into Pittsburgh and you heard about this you'd be pissed off (or something to that effect). Troy Brown laughed again and said no. "I wouldn't have even noticed and I wouldn't complain afterwards". Felger says "Yes you would". That's Felger at his absolute worst. He can argue his point but when he tells Troy Brown what Troy Brown would really do he's insufferable. If he watched the tape back how could he not cringe at himself?John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Yes, that's something. Especially when talking to Troy Brown, who (in my estimation) is a living legend and Felger is just a clever loudmouth. Felger should be extremely respectful of Troy Brown and should learn at his knee. To contradict him on anything football related is arrogant; to contradict Troy Brown about Troy Brown is behond absurd.
Two older pieces from Boston Sports Media Watch might be useful here:
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/10/felger-opens-up
Also, in terms of Felger's credibility of Patriots accusations, he's had a hit or miss record on them, including a big miss on this ill-timed faux-scandal
He also cites Ellis Hobbs, Corey Dillon, Drew Bledsoe and Willie McGinest as guys that have had issues with him in the past.
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/2008/10/felger-opens-up
Also, in terms of Felger's credibility of Patriots accusations, he's had a hit or miss record on them, including a big miss on this ill-timed faux-scandal
LoneWarrior1 said:
Your second example from BSMW is really damning because it's obvious Felger is aware that the Tomase story was retracted by the Herald. For him, to insist the story was legit, means Felger is only interested in trolling, period. There's nothing more to see or hear here. It's over, folks - move on.
It's not clear from the article exactly what Felger is claiming.
Is Felger saying that, while the story turned out to be false, Tomase truly believed that the information he was reporting was accurate? And that the mistake was that Tomase relied on a single source that turned out to be unreliable? If so, then that's the typical "protect the SHIELD" stuff that goes on all the time in the fraternity of sportswriters.
Or is Felger actually claiming that a story that was proven beyond a doubt to be false is indeed true? In which case it only adds to his reputation as a trolling idiot.
Is Felger saying that, while the story turned out to be false, Tomase truly believed that the information he was reporting was accurate? And that the mistake was that Tomase relied on a single source that turned out to be unreliable? If so, then that's the typical "protect the SHIELD" stuff that goes on all the time in the fraternity of sportswriters.
Or is Felger actually claiming that a story that was proven beyond a doubt to be false is indeed true? In which case it only adds to his reputation as a trolling idiot.
Felger is saying that the story was/is true and that the only reason it got pulled is because Tomase only had one source so it couldn't be corroborated (even though he knows it to be true).
I think two posters on the last page got it right- Felger got too comfortable and puffy about his status to maintain the modicum of reasonableness that made him tolerable, and Mazz (lazy, lazy, Mazz) was the worst possible pairing with Felger because he allowed him to reach his current insufferable state. I haven't listened to the show for a year or so, outside of a 40 second window when I get in my car at the end of the day; I give them a chance some days, but I end up switching to podcasts every day inevitably.
And it sucks most off all because the show started with such promise. Instead it followed the exact same pattern as EEI.
I think two posters on the last page got it right- Felger got too comfortable and puffy about his status to maintain the modicum of reasonableness that made him tolerable, and Mazz (lazy, lazy, Mazz) was the worst possible pairing with Felger because he allowed him to reach his current insufferable state. I haven't listened to the show for a year or so, outside of a 40 second window when I get in my car at the end of the day; I give them a chance some days, but I end up switching to podcasts every day inevitably.
And it sucks most off all because the show started with such promise. Instead it followed the exact same pattern as EEI.
I'm an Arbitron/Neilson Audio household and for the first time in a long time, I switched back to WEEI in the afternoon for the December book. There is a space at the end of the log to write a note to stations. I hope others are taking the time to do so as well, because the show is salvageable if they dump Mazz and put a strong voice of reason opposite Felger. I'm not crazy about Dale and Holley, but F&M just became intolerable.
Id really like Felger and Gasper w Keefe moving to the third man if Beetle is indeed going to the 10-2. Gasper and Keefe together could balance out. And keefe would bring a needed nba voice to the show
"Russell Wilson presents a challenge that, I think, Belichick hasn't seen."
--Mazz
So Aaron Rodgers isn't a similar QB, Tony? Aaron Rodgers, when healthy, can run as effectively as Wilson but is such a far superior passer it isn't even worth discussing.
--Mazz
So Aaron Rodgers isn't a similar QB, Tony? Aaron Rodgers, when healthy, can run as effectively as Wilson but is such a far superior passer it isn't even worth discussing.
No way is Rodgers as good a runner as Wilson. The Seahawks also do a lot of designed runs with him, something the Packers don't. The closest QB to Wilson the Pats have faced, in my opinion, is Tannehill, in both mobility and the occasional usage of the read option.RedOctober3829 said:
But I get your overall point. They have faced (and have had success against) mobile QBs this season, Wilson may bring some new elements to the table but it's not like going from Bledsoe to Vick.
The closest QB to Russell Wilson the Patriots have faced is RUSSELL FUCKING WILSON. Unless we're trying to limit this to just this past season, which makes no sense.
Is John Ryder available? Last I heard, he was doing the syndicated overnight/weekend broadcasts for ESPN Radio.southshoresoxfan said:
He'd be my choice to replace Bertrand - knowledgeable about all 4 major sports (NBA in particular), lots of experience in market & role, isn't prone to reactionary #HotSportzTakes, admits faults, etc. While occasionally bland when flying solo, thought Ryder was by far most well informed and analytical host at 'EEI. And after babysitting Mikey Adams for years, doubt Ryder would hesitate to call out F&M for trolling when needed. Think his pragmatic approach and dry wit could fit well with 2 louder personalities driving the discussion.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss Wiggy on Felger & Mazz. It would've been fun to hear him go after them on Deflategate over the last two weeks.
Because radio is entertainment, after all. Bedard is smarter and more pragmatic than Wiggy, but he's dull – a bad entertainment personality in large doses. In my opinion, one of the best segments Felger & Mazz used to do all week was "10 Questions with Wiggy" (the one in the middle of the 3:00 hour, and not the one where the miscreants called and groaned into phones).
Yeah, his knowledge about the other three sports is laughable. But what, Felger and Mazz' is so good? Yeah, pipe down Wiggy, we need Tony to lecture us on how the 2013 Red Sox are overrated, Mike!
Because radio is entertainment, after all. Bedard is smarter and more pragmatic than Wiggy, but he's dull – a bad entertainment personality in large doses. In my opinion, one of the best segments Felger & Mazz used to do all week was "10 Questions with Wiggy" (the one in the middle of the 3:00 hour, and not the one where the miscreants called and groaned into phones).
Yeah, his knowledge about the other three sports is laughable. But what, Felger and Mazz' is so good? Yeah, pipe down Wiggy, we need Tony to lecture us on how the 2013 Red Sox are overrated, Mike!
I turned on CSNNE after the game last night, and the first thing I hear come out of Felger's mouth is some reference to deflategate.
FUCKING CHRIST, CLICK
literally minutes after such an amazing win and he's back on the 'cheating' thing
FUCKING CHRIST, CLICK
literally minutes after such an amazing win and he's back on the 'cheating' thing
Maybe you should have been more patient. I watched most of the postgame show and he was fine. Is there another fanbase on the planet that so desperately wants to be offended by things more than Pats fans? Incredible.
Why not be more patient. Felger was quite reasonable. He did not mention cheating once and I watched the almost the whole show. Gee, even Felger knows when to draw the line.Patriot_Reign said:
Not quite, still can't give them best QB and Coach of all time, but so far I'm pleased with how they are discussing last night.
The day after a championship is the only time I will attempt to stomach these two at this point. And Felger is already ruining it for me. He is completely in line with all the idiots who think a single play by Malcolm Butler changes anything, in either direction, about Tom Brady's career (I don't care if you think he's GOAT or not). Perception is reality. Click.
He has a point. The problem is that it's an incomplete point, because as much as Brady needed Butler to make that play in order to consummate the fourth championship, so did Butler need Brady to even make that play possible (never mind relevant). If Brady doesn't orchestrate two epic TD drives in the fourth quarter, Wilson probably isn't throwing on 2nd and goal with 26 seconds to go; and even if he is, Pats would be cooked anyhow, with or without the pick.ForKeeps said:
In a way though, even my argument above is missing a more important point, which should undercut all this "Pats need freak play to snatch 4th ring" talk: It wasn't a freak play - BB explicitly coached Butler up to it. It may not be a direct credit to TB12, but it is very much so vis-a-vis Coach.
Im a little sick and tired of advanced metric guys and people who poo poo legacies and wins and what not.
would i think less of Tom if Butler doesnt make that play? No. But in 20 years when youre stacking up resumes...4 rings absolutely means more than 3. Its swung too much away from winning...which is why theyre playing the game.
would i think less of Tom if Butler doesnt make that play? No. But in 20 years when youre stacking up resumes...4 rings absolutely means more than 3. Its swung too much away from winning...which is why theyre playing the game.
Im ALL for using metrics and adv stats to try and predict why something will happen...but at some point...yes it does kinda matter in the big greatest of all time talk that Butler made that play. Absolutely does.
Felger and Mazz doing something cool (for a change): top 10 plays in Boston sports history. So far
10: Bruins come back 3 down vs Toronto, game 7 2013
9.) Pats complete 3/3 for 18 yards, Deion Branch, vs Panthers
8) Tie: Celtics, Pierce hits iso on Lebron, game 7 ECF (2008) and Ray Allen drives to clinch game 4, go up 3-1 vs lakers
7) Shilling bloody sock -- strike out to end 7th
6) Thomas makes big save in game 5 ECF 2011
10: Bruins come back 3 down vs Toronto, game 7 2013
9.) Pats complete 3/3 for 18 yards, Deion Branch, vs Panthers
8) Tie: Celtics, Pierce hits iso on Lebron, game 7 ECF (2008) and Ray Allen drives to clinch game 4, go up 3-1 vs lakers
7) Shilling bloody sock -- strike out to end 7th
6) Thomas makes big save in game 5 ECF 2011
It's not Boston Sports History. It's in the last 15 years, since this "run" began. They stated as much at the start of the segmentTito's Pullover said:
I turned in late, is their starting point ~ 2001?
edit: the earliest reference I heard was Ty Laws interception in SB 36
edit: the earliest reference I heard was Ty Laws interception in SB 36
I have the audio highlights of this game mashed up to U2's Beautiful Day on my iTunes. I get emotional every time it plays.Marbleheader said:
RedOctober3829 said:
In college I had a mix CD that ran Gil's 36 call right into the opening chords of 'Shook Me All Night Long'. Long gone, but I still remember how glorious College JBS9 thought it was.
In my mind, no one play has had more impact on me than Malcom Butler's INT. To go from complete despair having just seen another miracle catch on the last drive to lose yet another Super Bowl late to complete euphoria is a feeling I have never experienced before. I probably won't ever lose my mind like I did over a sporting event on Sunday night ever again. The feelings I got after seeing Butler catch that ball are things I can't really describe other than I was letting out every single frustration and outright anger from Feb. 3, 2008 and on.bankshot1 said:
Damon's GS was awesome but there was still much more game to play. Same with Roberts' steal. Even Vinatieri's FG to beat the Rams wasn't as huge of an emotional swing(although the emotions were awesome for obvious reasons) as Butler's INT because if he missed at least the game was going to OT. Butler's INT turned a certain loss into a win.
That's what really differentites the Butler play from the Vinatieri kick, The instant swing in emotion. With AV's kick, you had the drive leading up to it that started with "ok, we can get into OT, just don't do anything stupid." to "ok, make another 1st down or 2." to "get a few more yards to get him into makeable range". It was a build-up, so much different than the Butler pick.RedOctober3829 said:
RedOctober3829 said:
I was talking with a Giant fan buddy and told him the last 2 minutes of SB 49 was unreal, getting whip lashed lfrom joy, despair,to elation. It was as intense a sporting event climate as I've ever experienced.
I went with Damon due to the game 7 nature, we knew the game was over, MFY crumbled, we slayed the fucking MFY forever, and snuffed the 86 year curse bullshit
Its all good.
This is exactly how I felt...from the lowest of the lows (another chance for 4th title gone, haters reveling in Pats demise, etc) to the highest of the highs (4th title for BB and TB, an offseason of reliving game over and over again, haters can eat sht and die). Just a surreal feeling. Besides 2004 Sox was the best sports moment of my life.RedOctober3829 said:
gmogmo said:
Similiar to the effect of Ortiz's GS against Detroit in the ALCS, but lacking the finality (not 9th inning or 7th game).
Butler basically hit a walk-off grand slam in the bottom of the 9th of Game 7 of the World Series, seemingly with only 2 guys on base.
gmogmo said:
I think it's hard to compare the two because, like you say, this had huge, dramatic swings in a matter of seconds, whereas 2004 was a long, slow build across multiple games. And then game 7 was relatively stress free after we built the big lead.
The Kearse play was just a dagger. Another miracle catch? You kidding me? If the Pats lose after that, we forget about Brady's two huge 4th Quarter drives and focus on the red zone pick he threw earlier. And we think about the Seahawks driving 80 yards for a TD in 30 seconds at the end of the first half. And how another fluky play cost us a Super Bowl win after Brady drove for what should have been a winning touchdown. And, oh my god, how the fuck can we keep losing Super Bowls in excruciating ways like this?
Then Butler jumped the route, we all lost our minds, and the rest is history. Both fanbases flip-flopped from complete and utter despair to complete and total euphoria in the span of, like, 2 seconds. I was surprised I didn't get a noise complaint from someone in my apartment complex considering how loudly I shouted "PICKED OFF! YEEEESSSSS!" Then I spiked the mini-football that I had been using as a sort of stress ball. It ended up breaking a glass onto the kitchen floor. I didn't particularly care.
joe dokes said:
I'd say this was more like being up by a run in the bottom of the ninth of Game 7 of the World Series, loading the bases with nobody out, then getting a game ending triple play.
I didn't catch 5 but
4)The tuck rule
3)Butler interception in SB49
2)The stolen base
1)FG in SB against Rams
Edit:Argh bad memory I think that is right.
Edit2:I wish I hadn't tried answering this now, the FG in the snow is in there somewhere too.
4)The tuck rule
3)Butler interception in SB49
2)The stolen base
1)FG in SB against Rams
Edit:Argh bad memory I think that is right.
Edit2:I wish I hadn't tried answering this now, the FG in the snow is in there somewhere too.
RedOctober3829 said:
Just gotta share it. I don't even care if this is the right place to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2bL5gCtSC0