The paragraph was already there, but you are welcome for the "moron" in the first sentence.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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The paragraph was already there, but you are welcome for the "moron" in the first sentence.
I almost never get to hear these guys, but I had a day off today and listened to Mazz for a few minutes, who was on with someone other than Felger. Mazz made the following chain of logic:
(1) Nate Solder sucked last night (agreed);
(2) Solder might never prove to be any good at LT because the guys who go on to become very good LTs typically are top ten picks (Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace were the examples); and
(3) Matt Light was a very good LT and he had a great year last year.
Solder was #19 overall. Light was picked in the second round (#48 overall). Foolish few minutes of radio...
(1) Nate Solder sucked last night (agreed);
(2) Solder might never prove to be any good at LT because the guys who go on to become very good LTs typically are top ten picks (Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace were the examples); and
(3) Matt Light was a very good LT and he had a great year last year.
Solder was #19 overall. Light was picked in the second round (#48 overall). Foolish few minutes of radio...
Oh, it was you? Fantastic. Can you explain to me why people think it's funny to update Wikipedia pages about famous people with paragraphs ripping them, knowing that A) fundamentally, Wikipedia is a pretty awesome thing, B) the edits will get reversed quickly, and C) the funny rate of those entries run lower than Aviles' walk rate? Thanks in advance.
I thought is was fucking hysterical. And ..... can you explain why you have no sense of humor? Thanks in advance.
Clearly you've never my father.
In all seriousness, there are a million and one places on the Internet where one can post their lampooning of the celebrity punching bag de jour. Wikipedia is a non-profit with a tiny staff and millions of pages and users to oversee. It's function in life is to provide easy information to people who don't have easy access to better sources. Can't you find another vehicle for mediocre humor?
If Pedro had sponsored Wiggins' football-reference page with that, I might have laughed (although I'd argue that what he actually wrote didn't really add any humor or creativity above the soure incident itself). But I was under the impression that the novelty of "tee hee hee, I just posted something goofy on on an 'encylopedia' page that's supposed to be factual!!" wore off in 2008. Now that no one who matters thinks of Wiki as something that can be a definitive source, where does the humor come from?
And, I'll be honest - it was 5AM and the "hey , look at me" aspect of coming in here to brag about his mediocre petty vandalism annoyed me.
Edit: realized I left out a pretty crucial word in the first sentence. I'm leaving it that way.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's from the Beastie's Sure Shot. Which has a sample of Howlin' For Judy by Jeremy Steig.
What would you have proposed? More Beckett talk? A preseason Pats game that featured hardly any important players and was thoroughly picked over already? The NHL CBA negotiations?
The survey is a talk-radio goldmine in the doldrums of August when the Sox sucking and the Pats practicing are the two "lead" stories.
Exactly. I thought his idea for having people call in and give one idea for how to improve one of the Boston teams was a great way to get through a show when not much else is going on. Lots of callers, every local team covered.
I have to defend radio guys on this one - I haven't the slightest clue how I would fill hours and hours of airtime during the sports summer. At some point, you've said all you can say about baseball, and how much is there really to say about the other major sports? They aren't playing games, and free agency is long past.
I'm just glad they stopped hammering the Beckett and Lester stuff, at least I don't mind tuning in again.
For years Felger has been bashing Beckett to death (often so being completely right about it). No one could be happier about the news than him, right? I'd figure aside from maybe the Jets winning the Super Bowl or the Bruins trading Julien & the entire fourth line for the best offensive talent in the league, there's nothing he could be happier about. Yet I wouldn't be surprised in the least about Monday's show being Felger & Mazz bashing the Sox for hours about not getting enough in the deal, or something simillar to keep that schtick going.
I know a lot of people hate Felger around here but you gotta hand it to him. He was early in talking about how bad Moss was and that the Pats needed to get rid of him, and pretty much was of the same mind with regard to Beckett. I always thought he was way off base with his talk of Beckett until last September.
Plus he's admitted he was wrong about a lot of the jets strategy and completely wrong on Julian. He still thinks the cap is crap but that's not a real endorse,ent on the jets.
I think you'll hear felger praising the sox on Monday more than he probably ever has
Edit: you can tune into his show tomorrow night on csnne for a preview, I'm sure
Edit: you can tune into his show tomorrow night on csnne for a preview, I'm sure
Felger should be great tomorrow. The roster has received the giant enema he's been calling for, and Beckett is out of town too. I have a feeling the tone of tomorrow's show will resemble the vindictive tone of the shows they did after the Randy Moss trade. (I enjoy it when Felger rags on Bradford for protecting Beckett, too, so I look forward to some good BBWAA bashing tomorrow.)
Mazz, however, to maintain negativity at all costs, will tie himself in knots trying to lambast the trade. I expect a lot of endless rambling and high-pitched screaming about, "Look, Mike!!!! I just....I just don't think we should feel good about an ownership group that's cutting costs here! This is what it is! They traded their best player, who hits for POWER, in a salary dump. This is a sign that ownership is selling the team. They're cutting costs, and are going to sell the team! It isn't about winning. It's about saving hundreds of millions of dollars, and the fans are buying it!!!!"
Of course, what will make that take so ridiculous is Mazz has been in lockstep with Felger calling for the "giant roster enema" for the past 12 months as well. Felger will call him on it, and we'll have a squirming Mazz for four hours.
Mazz, however, to maintain negativity at all costs, will tie himself in knots trying to lambast the trade. I expect a lot of endless rambling and high-pitched screaming about, "Look, Mike!!!! I just....I just don't think we should feel good about an ownership group that's cutting costs here! This is what it is! They traded their best player, who hits for POWER, in a salary dump. This is a sign that ownership is selling the team. They're cutting costs, and are going to sell the team! It isn't about winning. It's about saving hundreds of millions of dollars, and the fans are buying it!!!!"
Of course, what will make that take so ridiculous is Mazz has been in lockstep with Felger calling for the "giant roster enema" for the past 12 months as well. Felger will call him on it, and we'll have a squirming Mazz for four hours.
Fantastic. What are the odds that Mazz makes some ridiculous statement along the lines of "Mike, I agreed that the roster needed an overhaul and don't necessarily disagree with trading those guys, but to do it all at once?!?! It's a white flag like never before"
Yeah, but that's because it was a write-in and every vote for "My ass" was given to Mazz.
I think they're going to be ballwashing the Sox for 4 straight hours. Plus with Bertrand saying the Sellout Streak will end tonight, this is the sign the ship is turning around.
There will be approximately 200 Moss references as well.
There will be approximately 200 Moss references as well.
No, the only congratulations they give is to themselves. The only ballwashing Felger does is self inflicted and Mazzeroti is only there to make sure he didn't miss a spot.
Yep. "Blah blah I've been saying this since last year and I was right"
"You were right, Mike"
"Why am I the only one is the town to tell the truth, the BBWA blaahhh"
I'd rather have a root canal than listen to Felger give himself fellatio for 4 hours.
But...he was right.
I found the endless Beckett ranting to be as irritating as the next guy, but Felger was the first one to talk about the pervasive problems on this team. If my recollection is correct, he started talking about culture problems as early as interleague play last season (when Francona and others complained about the "unfairness" about the interleague schedule, and not being able to play David Ortiz in NL parks).
I don't know if I need a full week of Felger giving himself a tongue bath. But I can take it, and will even enjoy it, for one day.
Felger should just go to the ballpark. Go there for a weekend game, ask all of his questions, and then leave.
Then I will never again have to hear Felger in a shouting match with a baseball writer about how doesn't go and cover the team.
(It would be a nice publicity stunt, too. If you're going to be an entertainer, which Felger overtly claims he is, then go all of the way with it.)
Then I will never again have to hear Felger in a shouting match with a baseball writer about how doesn't go and cover the team.
(It would be a nice publicity stunt, too. If you're going to be an entertainer, which Felger overtly claims he is, then go all of the way with it.)
Felger drives me nuts with all these claims. I am sure that a lot of them are right, but if he is going to rip apart all the writers and players he should go do something about it himself and try to prove his points, instead of hiding behind the radio and just ripping apart people.
He has no need to go down to Fenway and do what the local writers aren't. They aren't doing their job, he is calling them out on it. He is doing his job if you like it or not. The National guys are embarrassing the local guys who are suckling at the teat. His interviews with Gammons, and Bradford and Speier on Sports Tonight, are completely pathetic for the writers.
As annoying as Felger can be and how it gets very very old, I think he's right. As Sox Scout said, the local media has been mocking him for being out of touch and not there everyday, then the Sox blow the whole thing up. The local media completely missed all of it and the national writers showed them up. I don't blame Felger, its the local media. I am so sick of his radio schtick but he really has been right.
I couldn't agree more. But then why doesn't Felger just go there, and ask some questions just so he can say he did it?
Then the vaunted BBWAA won't have anything left to say. We're running around in a cul-de-sac until Felgie does that.
That was classic. Felger said he was working and couldn't get in the clubhouse because the reporters clubhouse time conflicted with his radio show. So Borges said, "Hey Felger, go on a Saturday!!!"
Felger paused, smiled and said, "Yeah, I guess you've got a point."
What is Felger's job exactly, other than spewing half-truths and spin in support of his narratives where, conveniently, everyone is either a "Bad guy" or a "Good guy." You know who else feels the need to categorize everyone under those two specific terms? My 4 year old niece watching cartoons. My sense is she'll actually grow out of it, though.
Here's what I want to see more than Mike Felger asking inane questions to Red Sox players in the clubhouse: Let's have someone go down to his radio station and give him the Pepsi Challenge with photos of Josh Beckett from 2007 and 2012. And if doesn't get more than 3 out of 10 correct, he's never allowed to say Beckett's name on the air again.
So.... you are saying Felger has been wrong all this time and Beckett is just as good a pitcher and clubhouse guy now as he was in 2007?
Felger has been clamoring for weeks about noone's asked Pedroia about the "supposed" photo with Bobby V. It was a source of Borges' calling him out the other night, and I saw an extensive sit down with Bradford where Pedroia answered it. Wonder if he'll acknowledge it today - I can't listen...
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2012/08/30/dustin-pedroia-clears-air-while-declaring-bes
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2012/08/30/dustin-pedroia-clears-air-while-declaring-bes
Theme of the 4 O'Clock hour - Not signing Mark Teixeira led to the downfall of the Red Sox. It was just all down hill from here.
I'd rather be talking about Brian Hoyer than this same old story again.
BTW who's the 50 year old guy doing headlines? Reminds me of a substitute math teacher.
I'd rather be talking about Brian Hoyer than this same old story again.
BTW who's the 50 year old guy doing headlines? Reminds me of a substitute math teacher.
Felger on his soapbox today about how the NFL has become to "fantasy" driven and the sport is suffering. The evidence is the rule changes made a lot of QBs elite-esque. And how you need a Hall of Fame QB to win the SB b/c Brady, Manning, Manning, Big Ben, Brees, Rogers, are all H of F QBs and won the last nine SBs...
Fucktard, you have ALWAYS needed a H of F QB to win. SInce I have been watching, the only (off the top of me head) ones to win were like, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Hostetler, Jim McMahon, Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
Fucktard, you have ALWAYS needed a H of F QB to win. SInce I have been watching, the only (off the top of me head) ones to win were like, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Hostetler, Jim McMahon, Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
You know what, you're right? The majority of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are HOF or near-HOFers. I thought that a lot more mediocre QBs were Super Bowl winners.
BTW, I cribbed the list below from another site and the guys in parenthesis were the MVPs of the SB.
Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
One thing people always seem to neglect to remember is that there was a time there, when Dilfer won and Brady followed him, where the conventional wisdom became that you just needed a game manager at QB to win and that QB was an overrated position. It didn't last long, especially after Brady continued to morph into one of the greatest QBs of all time, but it definitely did exist and lends at least a small amount of credence to a pretty lousy argument by Felger
edit: It should also be pointed out that it probably isn't surprising that there haven't been a lot of "nobody" QBs winning the super bowl given how often teams/QBs have repeated and this particular sport's insistence on using Super Bowl wins as a barometer of talent. That these guys all became HoFers is self fulfilling in a way.
edit: It should also be pointed out that it probably isn't surprising that there haven't been a lot of "nobody" QBs winning the super bowl given how often teams/QBs have repeated and this particular sport's insistence on using Super Bowl wins as a barometer of talent. That these guys all became HoFers is self fulfilling in a way.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but some quarterbacks are Hall of Famers because they were Super Bowl winners, not Super Bowl winners because they were Hall Famers (e.g. Joe Namath's otherwise mediocre career).