Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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I will say, I also do not hate them, but I could do without the segments where they drum up talking points just to incite the crowd. And I also feel like cutting out sports talk has allowed me much more peace of mind...in fact, the pandemic and YouTubeTV cutting out NESN has more or less eliminated sports from my daily life, which sucks in a way, but I also have more time to do other things. And this is coming from someway that used to watch all the Red Sox games in a season including the west coast games.
 

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i like this show although i am a non boston fan they are a-holes that just what they are what felger is worried about is if the pats are bad their rantings will tank
 

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Felger: The NFL salary cap is as real as the Easter Bunny. If a team has $2 million in cap space, they can make room in 10 seconds to fit Jimmy in. The salary cap is just an excuse when an owner doesn’t want to pay.
 

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Felger: The NFL salary cap is as real as the Easter Bunny. If a team has $2 million in cap space, they can make room in 10 seconds to fit Jimmy in. The salary cap is just an excuse when an owner doesn’t want to pay.
For years and years I was convinced that Felger was the ultimate troll throwing out wild opinions designed to piss people off and bring attention to the wild opinions expressed by him and his little pal Squeaky. Lately, I have concluded that he really is intellectually challenged and, honestly, that's not his fault. His idiotic takes on virtually everything to do with Boston sports.are one thing, but I really feel for his family. He's clearly addled. A bright, seemingly talented guy like Michael Holley has sold his soul by joining up with Felger for their nightly show on NBCBS.
 

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Felger isn't stupid. He didn't become arguably the biggest media member in the market by being an idiot. He came up with his "cap is crap" thing years ago, principally because it was a method by which he could always bash the Patriots, no matter what the circumstances were. Team has $5 million in cap space and Felger wants them to sign $50 million worth of players? Well it isn't for cap reasons. Its because the Patriots are making a big mistake by not doing what he says. So he in turn can bash them relentlessly and get people to pay attention to him. Rinse and repeat. Remember that another one of his big commandments is that NFL owners are greedy, selfish, got where they are due to inheritance or luck, and above all else, are cheap. Heck, that's a hallmark of practically all media members for the local team who are looking to troll the fanbase and get attention. They can always go back to the well about how the owner is cheap and get callers to either argue with them, or rip the owner along with them for hours on end. Even when it is someone like Robert Kraft who is none of those things he claims all NFL owners are.

The Pats don't have $25 million in cap space to trade for Jimmy G? Doesn't matter, the cap is crap. He needs to come up with another team that he claims will swoop in and take Jimmy G instead? Go with the Saints, despite their horrid cap situation. Even though it will never happen in a million years, he gets to use them because the cap is crap. And so on. It is easy to have his takes when you pretend that the salary cap isn't real. It's not him being an idiot though. It's him purposely coming up with this position, even if he doesn't necessarily believe it, because he knows it will suit his argument and get him attention.
 

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Felger taking Celtics fans to task for wanting to boo Kyrie. Says the fans are frauds who would be cheering for him and making excuses for his quirks if he decided to stay here.
Now, Felger calling ANYONE a fraud is the absolute, ultimate example of hypocrisy. Holy shit... As my old man used to say to me, " More balls than brains..."
 

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Felger taking Celtics fans to task for wanting to boo Kyrie. Says the fans are frauds who would be cheering for him and making excuses for his quirks if he decided to stay here.
I tuned in briefly for the while doing an errand today. It was predictable and boring. I quickly switched to music.
 

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Other than Jim Murray, I love F&M. I enjoy their schtick and how they (especially Felger) fire up the masses with super-predictable, anti-(whatever the hot thing du jour is) takes.

However, they have milked the Cam Newton thing for far too long now. Every single Patriots discussion comes back to Cam and it has become so freaking tiresome.

We get it. Cam sucks. Not breaking news.

The Pats finally did address the elephant in the radio booth by drafting a first round QB. Can we please move on and see how things play out from here?
 

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Other than Jim Murray, I love F&M. I enjoy their schtick and how they (especially Felger) fire up the masses with super-predictable, anti-(whatever the hot thing du jour is) takes.

However, they have milked the Cam Newton thing for far too long now. Every single Patriots discussion comes back to Cam and it has become so freaking tiresome.

We get it. Cam sucks. Not breaking news.

The Pats finally did address the elephant in the radio booth by drafting a first round QB. Can we please move on and see how things play out from here?
He's just doing his schtick... don't enjoy it anymore?
 

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If Mazz could be bothered to watch 3/5 Sox games and Murray wasn't there I could begin on the path to forgiveness.
 

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The only reason Brad Stevens is still here is his contract. The Celtics didn’t want to be on the hook for the contract if they fired him, so they reassigned him.
Nice. A friend who listens to them religiously was spouting that yesterday. Good to see Felgie and Mazz are getting a few days out of it.
 

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Factoring out the Felger personality/trolling habit, is he wrong with his comment?

If so, why is he wrong?

He was talking about this last night with Holley and his point was if they fired him, they'd be on the hook for about 45 million.

So what is it about Stevens that some of you think he's going to be a huge asset in the front office, more than as a coach?

I would have preferred he stayed on as coach as none of the names being floated as potential replacements are bowling me over.
 

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Factoring out the Felger personality/trolling habit, is he wrong with his comment?

If so, why is he wrong?

He was talking about this last night with Holley and his point was if they fired him, they'd be on the hook for about 45 million.
Is there any reason to think that if his contract was smaller they'd have fired him? If not then yes, he's clearly wrong, or not wrong because I'm sure he doesn't even believe what he's saying.
 

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Factoring out the Felger personality/trolling habit, is he wrong with his comment?

If so, why is he wrong?

He was talking about this last night with Holley and his point was if they fired him, they'd be on the hook for about 45 million.

So what is it about Stevens that some of you think he's going to be a huge asset in the front office, more than as a coach?

I would have preferred he stayed on as coach as none of the names being floated as potential replacements are bowling me over.
Everyone has had nothing but good things about Brad since the day he was hired. They just gave him a massive extension. The team struggled this year but missed more games due to COVID than any other in the league. In the playoffs they were missing two Max guys plus another starter. None of this is Brads fault. There’s no way to prove that Felger is wrong because ownership isn’t going to announce it. But Felger is wrong and it’s an idiotic take.
 

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It's safe to say that he believes that if Stevens only had 1 or 2 years left on a contract that paid $5MM a year, he'd be gone.
 

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Question...does his contract get more expensive if they fire him? I mean, if they've got to pay him either way, then if they wanted him gone, he'd be gone. The only way reassigning him because his contract is too big makes sense is if Ainge (or another replacement for Ainge) was getting way more than Stevens is contracted to make. Then maybe there's a savings to be had. But somehow I doubt that's the case, or if it is, the difference is so negligible as to be irrelevant.
 

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The argument that they elevated him to basically running everything in the basketball operation because of his contract assumes that they care more about narrowly getting perceived ‘return’ on the investment than they do about putting the best option in that chair....when doing so will stand to make them a hell of a lot more than a contract they have to pay anyways.

These guys think in much bigger numbers than the value of Brad Stevens’ contract and probably understand the concept of a sunk cost.

Basically you have to really have a low opinion of the business acumen of Wyc and Pagliuca, or their ability to make tough decisions. Both are possible positions to hold, but why would you?
 

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Factoring out the Felger personality/trolling habit, is he wrong with his comment?

If so, why is he wrong?

He was talking about this last night with Holley and his point was if they fired him, they'd be on the hook for about 45 million.

So what is it about Stevens that some of you think he's going to be a huge asset in the front office, more than as a coach?

I would have preferred he stayed on as coach as none of the names being floated as potential replacements are bowling me over.
It’s likely wrong because it makes no sense. It’s suggesting that Cs ownership is so down on his coaching that they would prefer to fire him. But because he has a lot of money left on his contract instead they will **let him run the entire basketball operation**, including executing all personnel moves and hiring the next head coach.

Again, they want a failure as a coach to run every aspect of the franchise. Because he has money left on his deal.

It’s nonsensical.
 

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It’s likely wrong because it makes no sense. It’s suggesting that Cs ownership is so down on his coaching that they would prefer to fire him. But because he has a lot of money left on his contract instead they will **let him run the entire basketball operation**, including executing all personnel moves and hiring the next head coach.

Again, they want a failure as a coach to run every aspect of the franchise. Because he has money left on his deal.

It’s nonsensical.
Felger and Mazz realize that appealing to the emotions of their listeners makes them a lot more money than talking logically about numbers. So salary caps don't really exist, and the owners are always cheap and not doing what it takes to win. Promoting a coach to GM so your current GM can retire has to be about the owners not being committed to winning. Somehow.
 

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It’s likely wrong because it makes no sense. It’s suggesting that Cs ownership is so down on his coaching that they would prefer to fire him. But because he has a lot of money left on his contract instead they will **let him run the entire basketball operation**, including executing all personnel moves and hiring the next head coach.

Again, they want a failure as a coach to run every aspect of the franchise. Because he has money left on his deal.

It’s nonsensical.
If it were up to you, would you rather he coaches or gets moved to the front office?
 

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I guess so, I'd rather ignore him, just curious as to your thoughts on the subject.
I’m sure I’m an outlier, but I don’t spend too much time thinking about what I would do when it comes to sports machinations. Or at least I don’t get too worked up over it. I generally just follow what happens and root for the teams.

In this case, I’m ambivalent. I thought Brad was a good coach, although this year there was clearly something off with the team (beyond the injuries and COVID stuff). I don’t know if he’ll be successful in the GM role, but he’s a smart guy and others in the org seem to think he will, so we’ll see.
 

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I’m sure I’m an outlier, but I don’t spend too much time thinking about what I would do when it comes to sports machinations. Or at least I don’t get too worked up over it. I generally just follow what happens and root for the teams.

In this case, I’m ambivalent. I thought Brad was a good coach, although this year there was clearly something off with the team (beyond the injuries and COVID stuff). I don’t know if he’ll be successful in the GM role, but he’s a smart guy and others in the org seem to think he will, so we’ll see.
Thanks for the reply; I don't either, I'm with you.........but that said, I'd prefer to have him coaching vs being in the front office.

I guess we'll have to wait and see who they hire.
 

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Factoring out the Felger personality/trolling habit, is he wrong with his comment?

If so, why is he wrong?

He was talking about this last night with Holley and his point was if they fired him, they'd be on the hook for about 45 million.

So what is it about Stevens that some of you think he's going to be a huge asset in the front office, more than as a coach?

I would have preferred he stayed on as coach as none of the names being floated as potential replacements are bowling me over.
One reason he's wrong is that he has no evidence he's right.
Another is the fallacy of sunk costs, which I expect the fucktillionaires that own the team understand.
 

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Thanks for the reply; I don't either, I'm with you.........but that said, I'd prefer to have him coaching vs being in the front office.

I guess we'll have to wait and see who they hire.
We've seen demonstrated proof of him being a good coach, and have no evidence about how he would be as a GM, so as fans we have no reason to think this move is a good idea. But the owners and Danny may have a good deal of evidence based on his involvement in scouting and input on past trades. We have to trust them that it is a good move, and that isn't easy.
 

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F&M is so much better without Murray on. Jones, despite most people hate him, is so clearly sarcastic and I find entertaining vs Murray just who isn't really funny (but thinks he is), whines constantly and just has awful takes.

Jones & Arcand are a great pair. I don't listen to the show because that's when I"m with my family but the limited podcasts that they actually put online are great when they're non-sports segments. They're as good as T&R on non-sports stuff. His takez on sports are 100% troll jobs.
 

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With Felger and to a lesser extent Mazz, you can tell that many of their takes are sensationalizing things as much as possible to get people upset and pay attention to them to drive ratings. This is the case with Jones as well although he's gone so overboard with it that I refuse to listen to his show.

Murray comes off differently, as if he takes everything 100% serious and truly is that miserable. He's got a dream job, talk about sports for 20 hours a week and read some news that other people reported on. Yet pretty much everything coming out of his mouth is misery and hate. He's the one who told a caller he hoped his kids died just because the guy disagreed with him on the Celtics. He is easily the worst part of 98.5.
 

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Murray thinks he's Howard Stern or Anthony Cumia, he wants to be edgy and he thinks he has talent. In reality, he'll never be more than a third wheel, one market hack.
 

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I used to enjoy Murray when he was a little more light hearted (like he still mostly is on the Saturday show)

But the "Jim's right again" schtick is so tired.
Not to mention the one big bag thing and being 45 years old yet calling himself "the kid" when soliciting my cameo hires.
 

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F&M is so much better without Murray on. Jones, despite most people hate him, is so clearly sarcastic and I find entertaining vs Murray just who isn't really funny (but thinks he is), whines constantly and just has awful takes.
Man, you guys absolutely nail it.

F&M is infinitely better when Murray isn’t there and yes, he easily is the worst personality on 98.5. He tries way too hard and just comes off as a petulant baby. He just kills the show for me.
 

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F&M is so much better without Murray on. Jones, despite most people hate him, is so clearly sarcastic and I find entertaining vs Murray just who isn't really funny (but thinks he is), whines constantly and just has awful takes.

Jones & Arcand are a great pair. I don't listen to the show because that's when I"m with my family but the limited podcasts that they actually put online are great when they're non-sports segments. They're as good as T&R on non-sports stuff. His takez on sports are 100% troll jobs.
I just want to echo your point about Jones and Arcand. I find Jones’s trolling so grating but there is something really easy and sincere about the chemistry between those two. Arcand’s contrasting style also clarifies how deep the Jones troll job is. They’re not a bad listen while doing the dishes after dinner or for some other short stint.

I very rarely listen to F&M so I avoid the worst of Murray but I find Gasper and Murray to be the best sports centered show on the station (T&R being more general entertainment).
 

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they should show the gasper and murray show on sat


it wouild be funny to see cam have a big season and them see them say oh my god how will jones replace cam in 22
 

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It really sucks that whenever our teams are good in this region the local media feels compelled to sell us the opinion that they're really just cheating or somehow otherwise a mirage ala all the "fake wins" in 2018.
 

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After 67 seconds of internet research:

The New York Giants were 24-3 as of May 18, with a 17-game winning streak. Unfortunately, the team slowed down considerably the rest of the way, finishing 82-71, fourth place in the NL. The pitching staff was led by Christy Mathewson, who went 24-12 with a 2.00 ERA in 315 innings.
Guess MLB clamped down on those cheating 1907 Giants hurlers mid-season.
 

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It really sucks that whenever our teams are good in this region the local media feels compelled to sell us the opinion that they're really just cheating or somehow otherwise a mirage ala all the "fake wins" in 2018.
100% correct. Invariably, any good news includes a qualifying "but..."