Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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MoGator71 said:
That's the part I was caught as well. Also, if the Bruins end up giving up the 2nd that would mean that we made the conference finals. Which I think is a good thing
Yea no kidding...I'll be actively rooting like a madman for Boston in the 2nd round regardless of who they play. They also took a dump on the Bruins because they surrendered a higher pick to get the Flyers to eat half of Mez' cap hit and didn't have a contingency in place in case the hypothetical Edler deal fell through and they didn't need the cap help from the Flyers. It's like they don't realize the other GMs have a say in this.
They also basically rehashed the Drew 2.0 thread earlier. Really bringing the awesome today.
SidelineCameras said:
They also basically rehashed the Drew 2.0 thread earlier. Really bringing the awesome today.
And if I remember the press conference correctly, Chia said that after he had been told he had "won the Jarome Iginla sweepstakes" he called Calgary multiple times and Feaster refused to take his call.
And Feaster essentially confirmed Chiarelli's depiction while on TSN's deadline day show.pedro1918 said:
http://m.torontosun.com/2014/03/05/former-calgary-flames-gm-jay-feaster-talks-trades-on-tsn
But I'm sure Felger has better insights than the two general managers involved.
Today's lesson from YARM? The Pats have done a horrible job in free agency. Pathetic. Another year of Brady's window wasted.
Funny, free agency hasn't even started yet. You wouldn't know that listening to him though. Gotta love being bashed for something you haven't even done (or not done) yet.
Funny, free agency hasn't even started yet. You wouldn't know that listening to him though. Gotta love being bashed for something you haven't even done (or not done) yet.
Felger was completely reasonable yesterday saying it is too early to judge them yet and that he expects the Pats to make a splash. I assume it was mostly a setup if he is right he can say so and if they don't make a splash he can go off on an epic rant. However if the Pats don't have Revis by the end of the show today then I assume he will go off.
Mazz was his typical whiny bitch self and will continue to be today(and pretty much every other day).
Mazz was his typical whiny bitch self and will continue to be today(and pretty much every other day).
Im praying they get revis around 545pm so they rant about god knows what for 3:45 then have to go oh. Ah. Good move but what ELSE will they do!
southshoresoxfan said:
It's already begun.
https://twitter.com/TonyMassarotti/status/443806635518349313
Felger: Patriots need to be a little more urgent. If Revis winds up on the Pats, then Bill will be on our side and will be agreeing with us.
Sure.
Mazz: Brady is enabling management's behavior.
Sure.
Mazz: Brady is enabling management's behavior.
I did quite a bit of driving today and heard at least bits of most of the local sports talk and Felger is one of the more rational about this whole Free Agency situation.
Naturally Mazz is the most unhinged but Callahan and both Mut & Merloni are right there with him.
Zolak and Gresh are pretty much toeing the company line as would be expected.
I found Minnehane to be the most rational of the entire bunch.
Naturally Mazz is the most unhinged but Callahan and both Mut & Merloni are right there with him.
Zolak and Gresh are pretty much toeing the company line as would be expected.
I found Minnehane to be the most rational of the entire bunch.
Mazz is brutal today. "they're a top 12 team, not a top 5 team" etc. etc. etc.
I can't believe they haven't broken out the "IF YOU HAD SIGNED TALIB PRIOR TO FREE AGENCY HED STILL BE HERE, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT OFFER FROM DENVER"
I can't believe they haven't broken out the "IF YOU HAD SIGNED TALIB PRIOR TO FREE AGENCY HED STILL BE HERE, HE NEVER WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT OFFER FROM DENVER"
Well at least the word is out that it's an act. Come see the Bearded Ladies argue about football!
Felger's trolling right now is fantastic. "The Pats should sign Revis, its the right move" "If the Pats sign Revis, then Pats fans should be critical since this isn't the Patriots way"
Then if they don't sign him "The pats lost out to Denver over DOLLARS again!!!"
It's really a no lose situation for him.
Then if they don't sign him "The pats lost out to Denver over DOLLARS again!!!"
It's really a no lose situation for him.
NortheasternPJ said:
Well, unless you turn off that goddamn radio and recognize his trolling for what it is.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Dude, come on. You already know that, all of sports radio is an act. You're smart enough that you don't need Mike Reiss to tell you that.
Felger pretty much comes out and says it once a week. Before him Ordway admitted it. Mike Adams' whole career is built on a work.
Getting worked up about what some guy says from 2-6 is silly.
Luis Taint said:
The rant was preceded by a caller challenging Mazz' credentials and sources for his positions.
Mazz: my credentials? I'm a radio show host paid to have an opinion. That's it.
That's when Felger attacked the caller (who had already qualified his Polian comments by saying he didn't like Polian's persona but respected Polian's knowledge of the game). Felger just trashed the caller as a "bobo" who changes his mind whenever somebody in the media takes a position that the fans like.
It was kind of weird because what Felger was chastising the caller for is a variation of what the two of them (F&M) do every day (look for a position selected to incite, irrespective of validity).
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
I recognize what it is and at times I can enjoy it. Granted most of the time I'd love highly intelligent sports radio talk, but every now and then I'm entertained by a good trolling job.
Trolling like TRADER DANNY! etc. I'll turn off immediately but for some reason I'm entertained by this.
That being said, i'm enjoying F&M more today than Toucher & Rich over reacting like message board posters saying that Talib was a huge upgrade and the pats blew it. Talib is not a huge upgrade (if any at all) over DRC last year.
Dick Pole Upside said:
Bingo. The rant was kind of awkward. Tony got called out by some guy for being an idiot and Felger attacked the guy. It was as if Felgie had to stick up for Mazz because Tony had no comeback. The rant also deflected the guy's comments.
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
Holy shit. You guys are all fucked up. Mazz was right. That guy was a cunt. He needed a slap in the mouth. I'm glad Felgy stuck up for him. Some fucking talk show caller from Methuen knows more about football than Mazz, or me, or you. That guy was a fucking jerk.
Sparky Lyle said:
Sparky, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it was awkward. I don't consider Tony a football genius but I'm sure the caller wasn't either. Regardless, I was watching it on TV and it looked odd. Mazz just had this stunned look on his face and didn't know what to say to the guy. After a pause Felger jumped into the call and started ripping the guy. It was a little emasculating.
Edit - shitty grammar
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
OK, Jack. I hear you. But, you were one of the best callers to the show. You stopped calling. For whatever reason. Call again. He's lazy; we know this. Call again and call him out with an argument. Instead of coming in here to bitch to no one who matters!! What is it with you fucking guys!!! Some of us like the show. We understand its failings but we want to be messaged for our angst and lonelyness. Jesus Fucking Christ!!!!!! You, SJH, Dalton, and the rest of yous!!!!! Ruin more of my fucking life!!!!
Felger's ultimate dream has come true. Revis is a Patriots. Kudos for him for all the speculation over this. When the conversation started I thought it was completely manufactured by him solely to enable him and YARM to endlessly bash the Pats when nothing happened to Revis.
Tomorrow's hot sportz takes? Let's see.
-It's only a 1 year deal, and the Patriots will let him go after a year. Belichick still refuses to go for it and Kraft is cheap.
-After endlessly praising Revis for 6 or 7 years, Felger and Mazz will suddenly realize that he is an incredibly overrated player.
-All fans and media members who refuse to buy the Felger & Mazz talking points about how the Patriots are wasting Brady's window, not going for it, etc... now need to call and bash the Patriots. By not doing so they are all showing themselves to be hypocrites.
Tomorrow's hot sportz takes? Let's see.
-It's only a 1 year deal, and the Patriots will let him go after a year. Belichick still refuses to go for it and Kraft is cheap.
-After endlessly praising Revis for 6 or 7 years, Felger and Mazz will suddenly realize that he is an incredibly overrated player.
-All fans and media members who refuse to buy the Felger & Mazz talking points about how the Patriots are wasting Brady's window, not going for it, etc... now need to call and bash the Patriots. By not doing so they are all showing themselves to be hypocrites.
I heard him on CSN last night saying that this proves that the Patriots are in total GFIN mode, same as the Broncos. He's already started spinning this to mean that the Patriots are abandoning their principles. Be ready for him to call Patriots fans who like this move but weren't suicidal yesterday hypocrites. As if not panicking on the first day of free agency and enjoying a big signing are mutually exclusive.
Quiddity said:
This won't happen. At all.
That's not exactly what he was saying. His point was, any time someone questions the Patriots' philosophy of not "going for it" the knee-jerk reaction from Patriots' fans is, "Well the other team (Jets, Broncos, etc) are stupid to spend so much money on x player and they're going to be screwed in two years when they're in cap jail. The Pats are smarter than that." Now that the Patriots have done the opposite of that, what are these Pats fans who preach a patient, controlled approach going to say? And I think that it's a legit question to bring up. Maybe not today, but tomorrow or in the future, I think it's okay to talk about.
FTR, I have no problem with the Pats in a GFIN mentality, especially with Brady's twilight fast approaching. But, at the same time, I think that the Pats' philosophy has been pretty damn good in the last 12 years. In the majority of that time they've been one of the five best teams in the NFL, a team you can always count on reaching the playoffs, if not the Super Bowl. If you look at teams in that time that have run neck-and-neck with NE, they've all had up and down seasons and nowhere near the consistency of the Pats. During this run the Pats have battled San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Indy, Denver, New York Jets and sometimes they've won and sometimes they've lost but all of those teams have had mediocre to bad seasons along with the good ones in the last decade. Aside from Brady's injury year (when they were still 11-5) and 2002, the Patriots have been pretty damn good. Is it because not every off-season is a GFIN off-season? Probably. So bitching about the Patriots and their slow-and-steady approach is a little dumb, or pretty much the definition of a sports radio talk show debate.
A one year deal is not a GFIN in any sense. A GFIN move generally implies pushing off the cap hell until years down the road for immediate results now. A one year deal doesn't qualify.
Exactly. This is exactly the kind of deal that the Pats have always looked for, a low risk deal that won't handicap them for years if it doesn't work out. Revis is a bigger name than the Pats have landed in free agency (probably ever) but the contract is not GFIN at all. Look at what the Broncos gave Talib in comparison.
Felger is capable of having a discussion around these points if he wants, but he won't.
Felger is capable of having a discussion around these points if he wants, but he won't.
I think you guys are going to be surprised today. I think he's going to praise the Pats for making a GIFN type move, without paying a GIFN price.
In other words, referencing Ralph above, I think that will absolutely be the discussion today.
In other words, referencing Ralph above, I think that will absolutely be the discussion today.
I guess we'll see. On CSN last night I absolutely thought Felger was setting up the discussion that Hendu for Kutch previews above.
Edit: I suppose in reality it is going to be both. It is pretty tough not to love the move from the Pats standpoint so he'll absolutely give them credit for it (a move he's been calling for the last week or so, so it validates his viewpoint too). But the conversation will be sprinkled with the fact that homer Pats fans are completely inconsistent for killing other teams for overspending on big names, but now loving this deal.
Edit: I suppose in reality it is going to be both. It is pretty tough not to love the move from the Pats standpoint so he'll absolutely give them credit for it (a move he's been calling for the last week or so, so it validates his viewpoint too). But the conversation will be sprinkled with the fact that homer Pats fans are completely inconsistent for killing other teams for overspending on big names, but now loving this deal.
"Revis for one year $12M or Talib for 6 years, $57M. That's backwards! The Patriots got the better player at the better price!"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"And they proved, once again, the cap is crap...say it with me people - CAP IS CRAP."
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"The only criticism here Tony is that it's a one year deal. But reports that they can franchise him? Bert Breer had this, let me find it, yes, Breer reports that Revis CAN be franchised next year. So it's really a 2 year $24M deal...and that's STILL better than what the Broncos gave Talib."
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"My god, they will end up paying Revis less than Talib even if they keep him for four years on the tag - not that Revis won't hold out or something - but how many games will Talib have played in those years? Revis .... I'm speechless! They went out and spent and just like I said, we wait to react and react based on what they did. Great move."
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"Wait a second Mazz...are you really going to pretend you weren't ALL FOR giving Talib whatever he wanted for weeks and didn't you say Revis as a pipe dream?"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"So...you were wrong?"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"Do you feel S-T-O-O-P-I-D today Mazz?"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"And they proved, once again, the cap is crap...say it with me people - CAP IS CRAP."
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"The only criticism here Tony is that it's a one year deal. But reports that they can franchise him? Bert Breer had this, let me find it, yes, Breer reports that Revis CAN be franchised next year. So it's really a 2 year $24M deal...and that's STILL better than what the Broncos gave Talib."
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"My god, they will end up paying Revis less than Talib even if they keep him for four years on the tag - not that Revis won't hold out or something - but how many games will Talib have played in those years? Revis .... I'm speechless! They went out and spent and just like I said, we wait to react and react based on what they did. Great move."
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"Wait a second Mazz...are you really going to pretend you weren't ALL FOR giving Talib whatever he wanted for weeks and didn't you say Revis as a pipe dream?"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"So...you were wrong?"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"Do you feel S-T-O-O-P-I-D today Mazz?"
"You're exactly right Mike!"
"i'm not going to get mad at them for not doing anything until they actually don't do anything" has been his refrain for over a week now. I also feel that those expecting him to spin it in some way to paint the pats in a negative light will be upset.RedOctober3829 said:
RedOctober3829 said:
But the whole time, I truly believed that he was hoping they wouldn't do something like this so he could crap all over them.
steveluck7 said:
I don't expect him to spin it as a negative for the Pats at all. That wasn't what I saw him doing on CSN last night either.
What I saw him doing was using it to spit in the eyes of level-headed fans who thought not giving out huge long-term contracts was the right call. He explicitly said the Broncos and Patriots are doing the exact same thing now, that they're both in GFIN mode and that this was a divergence from the Patriot way of doing things.
I'm sure given the night to hone those initial points there will be plenty of accusations of hypocrisy towards Patriots fans today. He'll throw bouquets at the Patriots for signing him, how could he not after he called for it over and over? But he'll mischaracterize it for sure.