It's a gross mis-characterization though, and the Broncos and Pats aren't handling it the same way at all obviously. (ie Revis isn't a huge long-term contract)Hendu for Kutch said:
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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gmogmo said:
Right. Every sport is different. With the NFL cap, "GFIN" means signing players who have one or two productive years left to 3-5 year deals and worrying about the cap consequences "later." Thats why it is called Going For It NOW.
Saying that signing a star player to a huge one year deal is GFIN is like saying "Moneyball" is about walks. Saying that signing Revis goes against "the Patriot way" (whatverthefuckthatis) is like saying the Sox trading Iglesias was because "Moneyball teams" dont value defense.
gmogmo said:
Agreed 100%, but that's what he was spouting on CSN last night, so that's my guess on what you'll be hearing today. I don't listen to the show except for extremely small doses (getting in the car and haven't set up my phone for music yet, etc), so it doesn't effect me at all. I used to listen to it and I know his MO though, and figured I'd give out the warning based on what I saw on CSN.
I love the fact that Felger cuts callers off so quickly. So many of these knuckleheads are just horrible bring nothing to the show. Much rather hear F&M go back and forth with each other, even if their take is insane.
Although today they have been nothing but positive.
Although today they have been nothing but positive.
Very funny exchange.
Felger: "You know the guy I'm worried about?"
Mazz: "Who?"
Felger: "Josh Boyer."
Mazz: "Who?"
Felger: "Josh Boyer... the Patriots DB coach, former Defensive Coordinator at the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology. The school with Scrappy the Miner as a mascot."
*Mazz and Beetle chuckle*
Felger: "Josh... don't SPEAK to Revis. Don't go NEAR him. Leave him alone. Take all the Rutgers guys to the other side of the practice field and do something with them. Leave Revis alone."
Felger: "You know the guy I'm worried about?"
Mazz: "Who?"
Felger: "Josh Boyer."
Mazz: "Who?"
Felger: "Josh Boyer... the Patriots DB coach, former Defensive Coordinator at the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology. The school with Scrappy the Miner as a mascot."
*Mazz and Beetle chuckle*
Felger: "Josh... don't SPEAK to Revis. Don't go NEAR him. Leave him alone. Take all the Rutgers guys to the other side of the practice field and do something with them. Leave Revis alone."
What a fucking moron. God i hate him more than I did before. Did he really think he could be on both stations as a cohost / special guest.
Mazz going after Dennard since Revis didn't mention him in his press conference when he mentioned Ryan. Mazz thinks the Pats prepped him since they're going to cut Dennard. Beetle calls him a moron appropriately.
"hey Revis, we're going to cut Dennard when he gets out of jail, so don't mention him" - Belichick.
"hey Revis, we're going to cut Dennard when he gets out of jail, so don't mention him" - Belichick.
ForKeeps said:
Or perhaps Ryan was at the stadium today and Revis had a conversation with him so Ryan's name was the freshest in his mind to mention. We know that is impossible for Dennard to do at the moment.
Ryan and Revis are repped by the same agency. They clarified a few minutes laterRed(s)HawksFan said:
he was on ordway's show today (all three hours) and said he'd been kicked off F&M because of his role on the new big show. I believe he also said he didn't know who's decision it was.Gambler7 said:
ordway commented that he knew that f&m obviously draw way more listeners, but routinely being on the big show for the entire 3 hours would over time have much more value to his brand.
not sure what to make of that
What's he going to do when the new big show gets discontinued in 2 months? Internet radio is the best place for him. It's like he's been sucked into a black hole and never to return.
I guess I can understand Felger's fascination with Mike from Attelboro. To him, it's "great radio," or at least that's my assumption about why a guy like that appeals to him. But the man-crush on Thornton, I don't get that one at all.
You mean you didn't enjoy him blatantly trolling by pissing on the Bruins win streak?Byrdbrain said:
"Yeah, they've won 10 in a row but they haven't beaten anybody, look at their opponents."
"Mazz, they've beaten 5 teams currently in the playoffs"
"I meant they haven't beaten any top 10 teams"
I thought 98.5 was on the right track when they fired Tanguay. When they replaced him with Andy Gresh, I realized it was a lost cause and re-activated my Sirius.
In particular order, here's what I can't stand about 98.5: Wallach, Gresh, Massarotti, Jermaine Wiggins
In particular order, here's what I can't stand about 98.5: Wallach, Gresh, Massarotti, Jermaine Wiggins
Understanding that they need to try and create some reason for people to talk...
I do think it is odd that sports columnists and talking heads so underestimate the small differences between the good and bad teams in a league. Yes, the Jersey Devils may be a "soup can" compared to the other teams in the NHL, but they are a lot closer in talent to the NHL elite than they are to the rest of the world of hockey.
In other words, any NHL team winning ten straight games against other NHL competition is impressive, no matter who the other teams are.
I do think it is odd that sports columnists and talking heads so underestimate the small differences between the good and bad teams in a league. Yes, the Jersey Devils may be a "soup can" compared to the other teams in the NHL, but they are a lot closer in talent to the NHL elite than they are to the rest of the world of hockey.
In other words, any NHL team winning ten straight games against other NHL competition is impressive, no matter who the other teams are.
steveluck7 said:
With Felger not there, this show is such a garbage fire. Beetle is okay, but Mazz is the worst. He's easily confused, his "hot sports takes" are weak and he seems very distracted. I heard this part last night and I just shut the radio off. I was done with sports radio for the day.
Because this argument is the worst, the Bruins (or any team) can only play the teams they are scheduled to play. They won all of those games. The flip side is that they lose all of those games or some of those games and the argument is, "Well, these teams stink, they're supposed to win these games!" So it's a mobius strip of stupidity that it's engineered to get phone calls.
On trade deadline day, Mazz said that not making a splashier deal when Montreal was acquiring Vanek meant that the Bruins were victims of their own success and that Habs "wanted it more."
Since that day, the Bruins have won ten straight, but it doesn't count since they haven't beaten anyone in 9 out of the 10 games (he did say winning in Montreal was a good victory).
Does winning 10 in a row mean that the Bruins actually "want it" by this tortured definition? Does actually putting in effort against "soup cans" prove their level of desire, unlike, say, Miami's lackluster effort against the Celtics last night?
It's one thing to throw shit against the wall when you're a radio host, it's another thing to suck so miserably at it.
Since that day, the Bruins have won ten straight, but it doesn't count since they haven't beaten anyone in 9 out of the 10 games (he did say winning in Montreal was a good victory).
Does winning 10 in a row mean that the Bruins actually "want it" by this tortured definition? Does actually putting in effort against "soup cans" prove their level of desire, unlike, say, Miami's lackluster effort against the Celtics last night?
It's one thing to throw shit against the wall when you're a radio host, it's another thing to suck so miserably at it.
SidelineCameras said:
That's the sign on Tony's desk.
TB has the same number of points as Montreal. But I assume they dont count because there's no such city as Tampa Bay. (amiright, tony?) And Minnesota has only one less point than Montreal.
There are 7 NHL teams with more that 93 points, including the Bruins. (and Pit is the other one in the east). No one else has more than 83. So 25 of the 32 teams don't count, according to Assclown Tony. (And the Bruins also have the best record in the East against the superior West).
joe dokes said:
What can we expect from a show where the message is 28 out of 32 NFL teams don't count? The Pats make the AFC championship game and the message from Felger and Mazz is that they only did so because the division sucks, the conference sucks and the league sucks. As Mazz would say, everyone else is STOOPID.
Quiddity said:
The AFC went 30-34 against the NFC last year, hardly getting an asskicking.
The AFC East went .500 against the NFC last year, not bad if the NFC was clearly the superior conference.
Quiddity said:
I don't think that's fair to pin this on Felger at all. This is 100% Mazz. Felger's always been in the "if you make the final 4 in your league then that's a success".
Buckle up, folks. Massarotti doesn't understand why Sizemore is on the team.
"They're trying to shoehorn him onto the roster."
"They're trying to shoehorn him onto the roster."
Corsi said:
Small market move to go for the proven veteran who, if he plays full time, is going to earn twice or possibly three times what the guy he's beating out for the job would make? Wouldn't the small market move be to go with JBJ making league minimum and live with his growing pains?
Days like these I'm glad I don't live within radio distance of this show and the TV at work doesn't come on unless there's a game to watch.
These two are clowns. Not once has roster management been brought up. If Sizemore bombed out this spring, the decision is easy. Now that he's shown something, you trot him out there because he has no options and send Bradley down because he can be.
Caller asks Tony to project JBJ's numbers if he were the full-time starter in CF this season.
Mazz looks skyward and pulls numbers out of his ass...
"He'd hit abouuuuuuutt........ 255. With..... ........7, 8 home runs.... And an on-base of about a hundred points higher than that, so ........ 340. And his OPS would be.... I dunno, do the math. Uhhh... 750."
Jesus mind-fucking Christ.
Mazz looks skyward and pulls numbers out of his ass...
"He'd hit abouuuuuuutt........ 255. With..... ........7, 8 home runs.... And an on-base of about a hundred points higher than that, so ........ 340. And his OPS would be.... I dunno, do the math. Uhhh... 750."
Jesus mind-fucking Christ.
They say we all thought we were getting Cy young peavy. Who in the hell thought that? No one. Idiots.
Hello, all.
Ive been lurking on this board for a few months. Like most of you, I initially found F&M a refreshing change from the old Big Show. Slowly but surely, this show has become like nails on a chalkboard sometimes. Today, around 4:30, I almost hit my breaking point. The guys were going on and on about how no one in recent memory has come back from 2 years off and produced every day. Someone calls in and basically says, just because it hasn't happened does not mean it can NEVER happen. Fair enough. Then Felger goes off the handle and says WELL MAYBE WE SHOULD JUMP OFF A TALL BUILDING BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE IT. The caller, of course, says this hyperbole and a bad example. Then Felger says WELL WHY DONT WE JUST STICK YOU IN CENTER, YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT SO HOW DO YOU KNOW??. Again, the caller says how silly of an argument that is and goes onto say how Sizemore has been putting up good numbers and JBJ looks overmatched. Then the guys say "Oh well when you look deeper, Sizemore has done worse against Major League caliber pitching this Spring Training", and basically disregard Grady's numbers. This comes less than an hour after they spout off all of the Yankee's starting pitchers' stats in spring training, which they used to say how great the Yankees would be. I understand that they have to "create" controversy, but the condescending tone they take with callers and their roundabout logic is a real turn off.
Ive been lurking on this board for a few months. Like most of you, I initially found F&M a refreshing change from the old Big Show. Slowly but surely, this show has become like nails on a chalkboard sometimes. Today, around 4:30, I almost hit my breaking point. The guys were going on and on about how no one in recent memory has come back from 2 years off and produced every day. Someone calls in and basically says, just because it hasn't happened does not mean it can NEVER happen. Fair enough. Then Felger goes off the handle and says WELL MAYBE WE SHOULD JUMP OFF A TALL BUILDING BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE IT. The caller, of course, says this hyperbole and a bad example. Then Felger says WELL WHY DONT WE JUST STICK YOU IN CENTER, YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT SO HOW DO YOU KNOW??. Again, the caller says how silly of an argument that is and goes onto say how Sizemore has been putting up good numbers and JBJ looks overmatched. Then the guys say "Oh well when you look deeper, Sizemore has done worse against Major League caliber pitching this Spring Training", and basically disregard Grady's numbers. This comes less than an hour after they spout off all of the Yankee's starting pitchers' stats in spring training, which they used to say how great the Yankees would be. I understand that they have to "create" controversy, but the condescending tone they take with callers and their roundabout logic is a real turn off.
You must not have heard later in the show. When they finally came back with Sizemore's numbers against major league pitching, it was something like 9-for-21. Beetle says "Well, that goes against our narrative".
I was on my way to practice and I did miss that part. I'm glad that they actually admitted that. They are just so dismissive of anyone that merely wants to give Sizemore a shot, like its an indictment on the whole organization that he is part of the team. I just don't understand how they are so upset over a guy making basically veteran minimum coming in and having a good camp.
There was valid reason to be skeptical of the Sizemore signing and be dismissive of his chances of contributing to the team before spring training, hell I know I was. However at this point not only has Sizemore been healthy he has been much better than JBJ in the games. I simply don't see any downside to putting Sizemore in center and leading off from day 1.
If he gets hurt, well thats too bad but Jackie here is your chance.
As an aside I'm assuming they are both there opening day and Victorino is on the DL.
If he gets hurt, well thats too bad but Jackie here is your chance.
As an aside I'm assuming they are both there opening day and Victorino is on the DL.
You know, I think the Sizemore-Bradley debate is such good baseball talk that they couldn't really do it poorly IMO. It's old school spring training chatter, and though I'm not entirely in agreement with F&M's take, I relish that they spent so much time on it yesterday.
mabrowndog said:
What was wrong with this? Those seem like numbers that Bradley may put up if he got 600ABs, especially off the cuff (I heard the segment too, BTW).
From the 5:00 - 6:00, I thought it was a pretty measured take on the Bradley/Sizemore debate. Felger and Mazz both want to go with the kid because they don't trust Sizemore to hold up over the course of a season. Again, not an unfair assessment. I can't speak to anything prior to 5:00, but it was one of their better days talking Red Sox in a few months.
That is a nice slip.RedOctober3829 said:
Some day the local teams probably will return to something resembling normal. By that I mean, many more years separating the championships that have been racked up since the new century dawned.
When that day comes, this show will be exposed fully for what it is. Foolishness.
This is a horrible start to the show.
Boston Magazine's wonderful article is about how the Revolution play second fiddle to the Patriots in the Kraft's portfolio. In fact, it ends with this incredible drop-mic paragraph:
Felger, however, is using it as a window into how the Patriots are run, suggesting that the article shows the Patriots win in spite of the Krafts.
It is complete and total BS.
Boston Magazine's wonderful article is about how the Revolution play second fiddle to the Patriots in the Kraft's portfolio. In fact, it ends with this incredible drop-mic paragraph:
Felger, however, is using it as a window into how the Patriots are run, suggesting that the article shows the Patriots win in spite of the Krafts.
It is complete and total BS.
I'm sorry, but in this market soccer is a distant memory to the other professional sports. They absolutely should play 2nd fiddle to the Patriots for the Krafts because the Patriots make infinitely more money for them than do the Revolution. That article is a bunch of bullshit.Youkilis vs Wild said:
RedOctober3829 said:
That's fairly irrelevant to my point--actually, it feeds into it. I'm not suggesting that's right or wrong. I'm suggesting that to say the Revs offer insight into how the Patriots are run, as Felger is so far today, is a remarkable twist of logic.