Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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And what's hilarious is that Felger tries to present himself as such an objective observer when it comes down to it, he is a total fanboy just like anyone else. His often over the top rants against Favre were due to him underperforming as a Packer, his over the top hatred of Moss was due to his time against the Packers with the Vikings, etc...Rocco Graziosa said:
That said, I don't think Felger hates the Patriots, he has a fake schtick where he comes off as hating the Patriots. I don't think he believes a lot of the garbage he spews about them. YARM on the other hand? He absolutely despises them and would be ecstatic if the Pats went 0-16. He's someone who hates practically everything about Boston sports. So the Boston sports talk show host is the perfect job for him!
My thing about Felger is, there's so many honks (to use his words) in the media around here who don't break any news, wear their footy pajamas, and just befriend the teams. Granted that is a lot of what being a beat writer is, but 2 off seasons ago national reporters were breaking stories before local guys, that his act actually works most of the time.
That being said, he sticks to it too often and could be 10x better than he is.
Tony Mazz is 100% useless. If Baseball Reporters Mazz was on from 2-6, I'd have a different opinion. He was just outdone at his job by Marshall "Driving in the Snow / Flash Man" Hook for 2 solid hours.
That being said, he sticks to it too often and could be 10x better than he is.
Tony Mazz is 100% useless. If Baseball Reporters Mazz was on from 2-6, I'd have a different opinion. He was just outdone at his job by Marshall "Driving in the Snow / Flash Man" Hook for 2 solid hours.
Im not a Sabr guy and believe in clutch. I don't think Hook embarrassed Felger or turned him into an "obnoxious bully" but it was nice to see someone debate him and it was a very interesting part of the show that I listened too.Buffalo Head said:
Rocco Graziosa said:
Felger is far from dumb, but this only makes it worse because he says moronic things on matters big and small on matters well within his wheelhouse.
Football, for example, which he covered for the Herald for 10 years.
Albert Haynesworth. Really? Anyone who spent 15 minutes watching the Pats 2 years ago knows he has zero impact on that season. A season that brought them to the Super Bowl. A game they lost, narrowly, for the same on field reasons that they have recently lost important games narrowly. But Albert feeds the narrative that the Pats have "lost their way" with low character guys -- so what the hell.
Also, "the salary cap is illusory, an excuse ..." If he has said that once in recent years, Felger has said it three dozen times. Which raises the question -- has he paid attention to the League the last 20 years, any attention at all? Even to the Jets, his once "up-and-coming team" that was "going for it" -- with swagger, of course -- and would soon eclipse the Pats?? But this feeds the line that "Kraft is cheap" -- so what the hell. Don't bother me with the details that Kraft is a terrific owner and seemingly a good man; I've got a show to run.
He wants to be the village scold; I get that. He, unlike Francesa, does not have enormous low hanging fruit like the Jets and Mets; I get that too. But for God's sake don't embarrass yourself.
Over/under on the number of times Felger derisively and mockingly uses the phrase "Bruce Freaking Chen!!1!1!!????" tomorrow is set at 75.
BH aren't you the guy that used to get pissed at posters for trying to predict what Felger was going to chirp about the next day.Buffalo Head said:
I don't disagree with you though because he's been insufferable after losses, but I'm pretty sure he's not on the air today because he mentioned that yesterday was a getaway day for him.
I only mentioned it because he was setting it up yesterday. He spent lot of time first-guessing it.
Just giving you shit.Buffalo Head said:
Like I said I agree with you, he's been first guessing a lot of Farrell's moves and if he is in today he will absolutely be talking about Ortiz.
Ortiz had started every game since July 6th. Giving him a day off isn't a move worth bitching about.HomeBrew1901 said:
That didn't stop him yesterday.RedOctober3829 said:
"He's a DH! Why does he need a day off!?"
While listening to Hook debate Felger yesterday, it was exhausting. I can see why Mazz has checked out and why Bertrand has cut back.
If I had to do that every day for four hours, my brain would explode. Felger argues like an attorney and keeps moving the target and when Hook kept hitting it, he started acting like a dick ("Uh, you know, I'm not doing this show by myself, it would be nice if you could answer me.").
One of things that I liked about Felger is that he would admit his mistakes (one example is the year before the Bruins got Seguin and he wanted them to trade that pick for a rental) now he doesn't do that. He's turned from likable to a bit of an asshole.
If I had to do that every day for four hours, my brain would explode. Felger argues like an attorney and keeps moving the target and when Hook kept hitting it, he started acting like a dick ("Uh, you know, I'm not doing this show by myself, it would be nice if you could answer me.").
One of things that I liked about Felger is that he would admit his mistakes (one example is the year before the Bruins got Seguin and he wanted them to trade that pick for a rental) now he doesn't do that. He's turned from likable to a bit of an asshole.
Buffalo Head said:
"Call me crazy, but you don't bench a guy who's that's hot!! You ride him until he's cooled off!"
I heard the whole segment with Hook and Felger talking about clutch players. Who the hell is Marshall Hook? I had never heard of him before yesterday.
F& M with the total chicken little going on since Brady left practice. Tony takes the cake though. Initial reports were that brady's "injury"was non-contact...
Tony: "those non contact ones are worse, when you go down without getting hit... That could be bad."
Later reports have Brady being rolled up by Solder...
Tony: "it worries me more when players get hit in the knee like that."
Tony: "those non contact ones are worse, when you go down without getting hit... That could be bad."
Later reports have Brady being rolled up by Solder...
Tony: "it worries me more when players get hit in the knee like that."
Billy Jo Robidoux said:
Marshall Hook used to be a fill in Flash guy on WEEI...I've heard him do the traffic report on WHDH in the mornings...if he turns into a star onTSH, he's another one WEEI didn't develop and let get away
the guy has the personality of a fucking gnat no way he becomes anything more than he is now. Don't get me wrong he seems good at what he does in small doses but anything more would annoy the shit out of me.the1andonly3003 said:
the1andonly3003 said:
If he was doing flashes on EEI and also doing traffic on WHDH...he was never actually in the employ of Entercom. He works (worked) for a news service (Metro, I think it is or once was called?). In that case, it's entirely possible he's never even set foot in the New Balance building. Can't really chalk him up as "one that got away".
I may have spoken a bit too early on Hook as he's done well filling in for Bertrand this week. I still can't stand his "if it can't be quantified by numbers it doesn't exist" type stuff, but I have enjoyed his Patriots commentary and general contributions the last few days.HomeBrew1901 said:
At least the stuff I have heard, still only listening after 5PM so I could be wrong.
Jerry Thornton is totally busting Shaughnessy's balls at the intro of his segment. Great stuff!
This has been a great hour of radio. I happen to like Shaughnessy, and think he's at his best when he's on the radio. I was happy to hear that he's filling in for Felger today (although I would prefer that Mazz had the day off).
Interview with Borges, then the Barstool guy. Good stuff...
Interview with Borges, then the Barstool guy. Good stuff...
Billy Jo Robidoux said:
I think he's a hack and think the quality of his writing, in a technical sense, is overrated, too. But I think he's pretty solid on the radio, more or less. I don't change the channel when I hear he's on. Odd stuff.
They have joined the chorus of NESN bashers today for not focusing on baseball.
So far: Dell and the like are nothing but eye candy, agreed she should be in a bikini next year, and a line or two about Dell and Middlebrooks followed by gigglefests.
So far: Dell and the like are nothing but eye candy, agreed she should be in a bikini next year, and a line or two about Dell and Middlebrooks followed by gigglefests.
Is that good radio for you? I couldn't agree with them more about NESN, but I can't stand to listen to it. I change the station every time Felger starts in on anyone in the media, it's listening to someone else whine about the same thing I'm whining about inside my own head, and it just annoys me even more.
Anyone else find it weird how much Felger went after fantasy football today? Opening night of the NFL, Pats 3 days away, Sox just hit 8 homers and play the Yankees tonight..and yet in my 40 minute commute every time I flipped over it was:
1. How fantasy has seeped into the actual game
2. STAT NERDS!
3. The watered down offense is because of fantasy football
4. Jonathan Kraft loves fantasy football
I know they have 20 hours a week to fill..I get that and don't mind some of this stuff. But this was from like 2:30-3:15ish and Felger just..kept..going. Feel like there's quite a bit more they could have led off with. Weird decision.
1. How fantasy has seeped into the actual game
2. STAT NERDS!
3. The watered down offense is because of fantasy football
4. Jonathan Kraft loves fantasy football
I know they have 20 hours a week to fill..I get that and don't mind some of this stuff. But this was from like 2:30-3:15ish and Felger just..kept..going. Feel like there's quite a bit more they could have led off with. Weird decision.
Felger's theme for the first two hours was, "Let's talk about all the things wrong with the NFL." I'm not paraphrasing, either. That's what it was.
1. Fantasy football sucks
2. Too many commercials on TV
3. Getting to/watching games at the stadium is a chore
At one point Beetle said, "It's really about you just hating to have fun."
Edit: 5 p.m. He's back on the fantasy football bashing again. The best part was him flipping out because the NFL Network was on their monitor at 2:30 and it was showing an interview with Pierre Garcon, and the graphic on the screen listed his fantasy points per game in 2012. Felger was OUTRAGED that his fantasy points were being highlighted, instead of his "regular stats" "SEEPING IN! ANNOYING!"
Turns out it was a Fantasy Football specific show that he was watching. Dumbass.
1. Fantasy football sucks
2. Too many commercials on TV
3. Getting to/watching games at the stadium is a chore
At one point Beetle said, "It's really about you just hating to have fun."
Edit: 5 p.m. He's back on the fantasy football bashing again. The best part was him flipping out because the NFL Network was on their monitor at 2:30 and it was showing an interview with Pierre Garcon, and the graphic on the screen listed his fantasy points per game in 2012. Felger was OUTRAGED that his fantasy points were being highlighted, instead of his "regular stats" "SEEPING IN! ANNOYING!"
Turns out it was a Fantasy Football specific show that he was watching. Dumbass.
Oh, I'm sure it was. He just sounded like a dope when it was obvious he was complaining about airing fantasy stats on an actual fantasy show.
Felger keeps hammering Brady for not falling on his own sword about the fumbled goal line snap. Brady didn't blame anyone else. I just don't see the point of Felger's needling on this one. Does he really think Brady is a bad teammate?
I don't know if or when it will ever affect their ratings, especially with 'EEI basically on life support, but F&M are now routinely committing the gravest mortal sin of talk radio in any format--they've become really boring. This is mostly the result of them being so predictable and never failing to let a topic that could be dealt with in one segment take over three or four hours. (Did you know that the Pats rookies looked bad on Sunday?) I understood the need for this in months like February and March when there's only so much to talk about, but too often lately they waste time saying very little over and over and over again.
mandro ramtinez said:
No, his point is that (paraphrasing) success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. Saying "we" when it goes well and you (Tom Brady) play well is good leadership/teammate behavior. And owning the mistake - even if it is not yours - is GREAT leadership/teammate behavior. So, by saying "we" in reference to the blown snap, Brady is sharing the blame with Wendell and that's...something. Felger is nitpicking how much of a great teammate Brady is, not suggesting that he's a bad teammate.
And yes, it's stupid and yes, it's bad radio.
I hear that, Brady should've just said "I screwed up". Felger is clearly tweaking the listeners and flailing away at strawmen, which I think he does too often.soxfan121 said:
Not to belabor a nothing issue, but Felger just said the issue is not a big deal. If it's not a big deal, I can't figure out why is he talking about it for the second straight day.
Maybe I shouldn't resort to live message boarding my Felger and Mazz listening session.
Maybe I shouldn't resort to live message boarding my Felger and Mazz listening session.
Buffalo Head said:
Felger's the same guy who for YEARS has been wanting more than anything for the Patriots to sign Tim Tebow and make him the heir to Brady. At 2PM on the first full show following the Tebow signing, Felger started off the show by asking YARM and the callers to bring up what they thought was the worst thing that could come out of the Tebow signing (and something else, I think Red Sox related). And this is regarding the subject that is arguably most precious to him.
Unfortunately this is the type of person we have to deal with.
mandro ramtinez said:
I tried to call in today to discuss this issue. It pissed me off that they were hammering Brady yesterday, never mind Felger bringing it up not so subtly every other conversation today. Maybe ratings are getting low and he was trolling? I guess it would be hard to tell the difference. Really, bashing Brady in New England is monumentally stupid. Might as well start talking crap about Pesky, Orr, or Russell while he's at it.
For all the Felger issues, it is enjoyable when he's on your side. I'm enjoying listening to him tee off on Mazz for his soccer ignorance and appreciate that he spent a few minutes on US soccer.
Beetle just gave the insufferable Craig Calcaterra a well-deserved and entertaining beatdown for his latest batch of anti-Red Sox tripe.
Well done, sir.
Well done, sir.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
He and Bertrand are having a back-and-forth on twitter right now.
https://twitter.com/craigcalcaterra
He writes for Hardball Talk, an NBC sports blog. He's a marginally talented writer who mangles and abuses advanced metrics with reckless abandon.
To summarize his position regarding the Sox, he responded to a column by the Herald's John Tomase that lauded the new and improved attitude brought in by the club's off-season acquisitions, exemplified by the beards, and which replaced the negativity of the players traded to the Dodgers. Calcaterra basically thinks the Sox could have been just as successful this season if they'd kept Gonzalez and a healthy Crawford, and that those players were deemed scapegoats for last year. His stance is that because the Dodgers are winning with them this year, they were unfairly blamed in Boston.
Beetle, to his credit, cited their immense discomfort in the Boston spotlight, their whining and excuse-making.
Calcaterra further said the reason the Sox are so good this year is because they've been healthy -- specifically citing Clay Buchholz and Dustin Pedroia. Beetle blew his stack over this because Clay's missed 3 months, and Pedroia's been playing hurt most of the year (as has Victorino).
To summarize his position regarding the Sox, he responded to a column by the Herald's John Tomase that lauded the new and improved attitude brought in by the club's off-season acquisitions, exemplified by the beards, and which replaced the negativity of the players traded to the Dodgers. Calcaterra basically thinks the Sox could have been just as successful this season if they'd kept Gonzalez and a healthy Crawford, and that those players were deemed scapegoats for last year. His stance is that because the Dodgers are winning with them this year, they were unfairly blamed in Boston.
Beetle, to his credit, cited their immense discomfort in the Boston spotlight, their whining and excuse-making.
Calcaterra further said the reason the Sox are so good this year is because they've been healthy -- specifically citing Clay Buchholz and Dustin Pedroia. Beetle blew his stack over this because Clay's missed 3 months, and Pedroia's been playing hurt most of the year (as has Victorino).