Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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So, my entire drive home yesterday I had to listen to them discussing what next year's Sox team will look like, and lamenting the fact that post-season success for this team means it'll be more expensive to bring guys like Ellsbury and Salty back. Talk about a good problem to have.
I don't get a chance to listen to the whole show, but the 35 minutes I caught was miserable radio lamenting problems that don't exist (yet) and completely devoid of any excitement or even discussion of a Red Sox post-season that one year ago seemed impossible.
Oh, and Tony Mazz is pissed off already that this team might lose in the ALDS, which would be a disappointment.
I don't get a chance to listen to the whole show, but the 35 minutes I caught was miserable radio lamenting problems that don't exist (yet) and completely devoid of any excitement or even discussion of a Red Sox post-season that one year ago seemed impossible.
Oh, and Tony Mazz is pissed off already that this team might lose in the ALDS, which would be a disappointment.
Ralphwiggum said:
Only Mazz could go from "This team is going to get caught by Tampa Bay" to "If they don't win the pennant, it's a disappointment" in a matter of days.
I can't recall if it was a caller, or Felger or Beetle, but someone said yesterday that if the Red Sox win the World Series in five, Mazz will spend the day bitching that it wasn't a sweep.
Buffalo Head said:
He has historical precedent on his side; after the Sox beat the Yankees in Game 7 in 2004, D&C spent the next morning bitching about the Pedro appearance in that game.
Miserable bastards, the whole lot of them.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Some caller called up last week and ripped Tony to shreds about this exact point. F&M both basically said "yep, we're negative miserable bastards" and laughed about it. At least they're aware of it!
NortheasternPJ said:
Great, because when I want to listen to sports talk, I want that to come from negative miserable bastards. Awesome.
The whole business model sucks and it stinks and it sucks.
I tried listening for about 10 minutes today and had to stop. I now listen to Gresh and Zo for longer stretches. Sad.
Yeah for the last few weeks it's been Toucher and Rich or music. Felger and Mazz drive me up a wall and I just can't get into Holley and Salk.Buffalo Head said:
I realize it's from the baseball reporters and not the regular show... But I'm amazed that mazz is already setting up for saying the red Sox will be a disappointment if they don't go deep in the playoffs. This after all year beating the drum that they are a 85 win team at best.
I made the mistake of turning it back on at 5:30. Did you all know that Felger hates fantasy football?
Ralphwiggum said:
That's because the Sports Hub has an agenda to try to marginalize the Red Sox in this town. Their two main shows either virtually ignore the Red Sox (T&R) or are nearly universally negative in their coverage of the team (Felger & Mazz).
Meanwhile, when we get to mid April each year, the station basically holds a pep rally from 6 A.M. to 6 P.M. for the Bruins.
Criticizing a team for something they haven't done/hasn't happened yet is vintage Felger. That way, if the time comes and there is a positive or "right" outcome, he's already logged hours of negativity and criticism on that talking point. If he waited to see what actually happens he might never get the chance.
I would hardly say this is true. T & R talk Sox everyday and Wallach is such a huge Sox geek, it makes me turn the channel sometimes.shawnrbu said:
Lose Remerswaal said:
Are you suggesting I change the channel? Oooh,burn. Sorry, it was hyperbole. I didn't actually listen to them for the whole drive. I mean we have an entire media forum here with people bitching about writers, TV, websites, etc., and as far as I know none of us are actually forced to read or watch any of it. Way to add to the discussion, though.
As I have said in this thread multiple times I used to be a big Felger guy and I want this show to be good so I keep giving it more chances. But more and more I do find myself listening to music during the afternoon drive because this show sucks.
PC Drunken Friar said:
Agreed. TSH doesn't ignore the Sox, although they obviously do put an emphasis on the Bs and Pats since they carry the games for those teams. In addition to your points, Mazz has his hour long baseball show five nights a week. Mazz is just butthurt because it took him almost the entire season to finally jump on the Sox bandwagon, and he did so reluctantly, and now he's setting up the "I told you so" by talking about an early playoff exit before it happens.
Shockingly enough, I think Wiggy actually said it best earlier this week. I got into my car and heard his voice and got ready to change the channel when he started talking, then I heard what he was saying.
Wiggins: "I have a big problem with you guys. I haven't been on in a few weeks, but after the Bills games, you guys were tooling on Brady, for not saying "The fumble was my fault" and instead said "we", right?"
Mazz: "Right."
Wiggins: "Then last week, Brady takes sole blame for those blowups, stating "I need to control myself better", and not throwing his receivers under the bus for not making plays. And you guys tool on him for that, too."
Mazz: "So?"
Wiggins: "So? He took the blame and you guys gave him zero commentary on it. You just went to rip on him for something else. And I realized, you guys don't care what actually happens. You guys have an agenda. It's all about the hate with you guys. You guys just want to come on the radio and hate on the local teams and get people riled up."
Mazz (word for word here): "It took you 4 years to realize that?"
Wiggins: "I have a big problem with you guys. I haven't been on in a few weeks, but after the Bills games, you guys were tooling on Brady, for not saying "The fumble was my fault" and instead said "we", right?"
Mazz: "Right."
Wiggins: "Then last week, Brady takes sole blame for those blowups, stating "I need to control myself better", and not throwing his receivers under the bus for not making plays. And you guys tool on him for that, too."
Mazz: "So?"
Wiggins: "So? He took the blame and you guys gave him zero commentary on it. You just went to rip on him for something else. And I realized, you guys don't care what actually happens. You guys have an agenda. It's all about the hate with you guys. You guys just want to come on the radio and hate on the local teams and get people riled up."
Mazz (word for word here): "It took you 4 years to realize that?"
Felger has basically stated as such recently. He said, on the air, something along the lines of like "i could sit here for 4 hours and toss bouquets to the teams but that's boring radio."
steveluck7 said:
He's missing the point when he says that. The point is not to suck up to or shit all over the teams on a daily basis, the point is to provide some insight, nuance, and interesting radio. How is it less boring for Felger and Mazz to engage in the most idiotic of mental gymnastics in order to shit all over the Sox and the Pats despite their successes?
Is it possible that his (the traditional?) thought might be that by being overly negative, fans will get riled up and call in to challenge his opinion? That would be entertaining but it hasn't happened. Fans who disagree just get annoyed and tune out and he gets a bunch of morons who call and agree with him. What's worse, is when they actually DO have something positive to say, those same idiots call in and call them "Home-iz"Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
And how do they start off the show today?
What scum lackey is
They have to be losing ratings. This is pretty awful radio.
What scum lackey is
They have to be losing ratings. This is pretty awful radio.
He's awful, he brings nothing and they have him on way too long. He sounds like a stupid 'celebrity caller' from Quincy or Everett and they treat him like he's an expert and cackle at his awful jokes.
He's awful, he brings nothing and they have him on way too long. He sounds like a stupid 'celebrity caller' from Quincy or Everett and they treat him like he's an expert and cackle at his awful jokes.
Not to mention he is a homophobe, promotes rape culture and bars tools demographic target is like 16-24 year old frat boys
Not to mention he is a homophobe, promotes rape culture and bars tools demographic target is like 16-24 year old frat boys
PC Drunken Friar said:
I listen to T&R most mornings from 7:45 to 8:30. There is not a lot of Red Sox talk in that time period. Their show is entertaining, but I do not think the Sox get near the kind of coverage the Patriots and Bruins do. If it evens out during other segments of the show that I do not listen to, then I will take your word for it.
As for Felger, he is beating the drum that if the Sox fail to make it to the ALCS, then the season needs to be considered a choke.
This is not directed as you. I used to get angry at all the non-sense and factually incorrect numbers (lazy unprepared bastards) provided on sports radio. After several years of telling myself that I don't have to listen to this stress adding exercise before I battle a long commute and then start my day at work I've actually stopped listening whenever I find myself getting aggravated. And now I win. I listen to books on CD, music, and check in occasionally to sports radio. They win when you let them. Don't encourage this catering to the lowest common denominator. You control your listening habits.shawnrbu said:
I'm usually listening during that same general time-frame and have to disagree a bit. Rich has almost been begging people to watch this team over the last few weeks, and they usually have Pete Abraham and Sean McAdam on during this period twice a week over the course of the whole year. Fred might be apathetic a bit since he's a Tigers / Cards guy, but everyone else has been fully on board IMO.shawnrbu said:
Overall I think it's slightly amusing that as the "clowns" of the talk radio scene, T&R have a much more balanced approach to covering all the teams. None of the overt negativity and 'hot sport takes' to troll for ratings. It's appreciated.
PC Drunken Friar said:
Promotes rape culture? Haha. Please tell me you're being facetious. Please.
I am not.
"Even though I never condone rape, . If you're a size 6 and wearing skinny jeans you kind of deserve to get raped, right"
" I'd like to reiterate that we don't condone rape of any kind at our Blackout Parties in mid January. However if a a chick passes out that's a grey area though."
"I sexually assaulted chicks on the Tag playground on purpose. That shit doesn't just accidentally happen.
So the moral of the story here is that this little 6 year old is definitely probably gay. Not some sort of rapist. Doesn't deserve sexual assault on his record. But he's gotta have the gay. Because in this life you don't accidentally grab cock. Whether you're playing tag or not. You touch another man's dick, you've got the gay. Plain and simple. So expunge the assault charges off this kid's record and just stamp his file with a big old warning "GAY." Let the other kids in school know to protect their dicks next time they're waiting to be tagged unfrozen during Freeze Tag."
" See this is where I get confused with Rape Culture stuff. Like if I say this chick deserves to get raped does that mean I support rape culture? I don’t think so. Just like if I say she deserves to get murdered I don’t think that means I support murder culture. It just means I think this chick is an asshole who deserves terrible things to happen to her. Sorry not sorry."
Not that I doubt he said those things but could you provide a source on those quotes?
I have to admit when I saw the "promote rape culture" quote I just ignored it assuming it was some politically correct bs about not liking pics of scantily clad girls or something like that. Those quotes are over the top though and I'm surprised the person who said them is employed in any kind of respectable media.
I have to admit when I saw the "promote rape culture" quote I just ignored it assuming it was some politically correct bs about not liking pics of scantily clad girls or something like that. Those quotes are over the top though and I'm surprised the person who said them is employed in any kind of respectable media.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/barstool-sports-rape-joke-_n_1293328.html
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/am-i-supporting-rape-culture-if-i-say-this-girl-deserves-to-be-raped-or-should-i-just-say-she-deserves-to-be-murdered-to-be-safe/
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/bitchface-got-internet-arrested-for-promoting-rape-culture-last-night/
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/am-i-supporting-rape-culture-if-i-say-this-girl-deserves-to-be-raped-or-should-i-just-say-she-deserves-to-be-murdered-to-be-safe/
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/bitchface-got-internet-arrested-for-promoting-rape-culture-last-night/
So in looking at your links most of those quotes aren't by Thornton, they are on his website and I don't have any reason to believe he doesn't agree with them but if you say someone said something and then provide quotes it leads one to believe that person said them.
I don't want this guy on my TV or radio(mainly because he is horrible but partly because he seems like a scumbag) and don't want to be thought of as defending him but quotation marks should mean something.
After thinking about this further I'm back to where I think "promoting rape culture" is politically correct bs.
I don't want this guy on my TV or radio(mainly because he is horrible but partly because he seems like a scumbag) and don't want to be thought of as defending him but quotation marks should mean something.
After thinking about this further I'm back to where I think "promoting rape culture" is politically correct bs.
Sorry, didn't realize Gloria Allred was a member of SOSH.
Fwiw, Thornton sucks on the radio and TV. But i do think his football draft analysis is great and I love how he rips Shaugnessy, Borges, and the other local media. And I like Barstool - and I'm 40. My girlfriend, who is 28 (humblebrag) and her female friends actually like it more than me. I get your point but maybe you just need to lighten up a bit.
Fwiw, Thornton sucks on the radio and TV. But i do think his football draft analysis is great and I love how he rips Shaugnessy, Borges, and the other local media. And I like Barstool - and I'm 40. My girlfriend, who is 28 (humblebrag) and her female friends actually like it more than me. I get your point but maybe you just need to lighten up a bit.
NI mean, feel free if you want to read shit...I think the guy who is on f & m is an underling, but wow, fuck them for giving that shit a platform
In the postgame today, Felger has been ripping Allen and criticizing the Patriots for giving up the better punter in Mesko just to save money. Of course, the stats suggest that Allen thus far is having a better season than Mesko (higher net and 7 inside the 20 vs. just 1 for Mesko), but those are facts.
Felger never let's facts get in the way of a good rip job anymore. its too bad, because when Felger and Jazz started hey were so good. Now, they are like the negative version of the big show. They suck.
That was a pretty disappointing post-game. I tuned out pretty quickly, so maybe I'm wrong. But at the end of that game I was feeling pretty good about what the Patriots showed on both sides of the ball. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but if we're buying this as a learning curve, then hey. Also, Freeman is not in the upper 50th percentile of NFL quarterbacks, but he's certainly the best the Patriots have seen yet.
So, as a fan, that felt like the kind of game where we should be able to use the post-game after a game like that as a fairly celebratory experience. But it was just so, so negative -- I turned it on not two minutes after the game ended and he was questioning why Belichick went for it on fourth down with a chance to run up the score.
Sometimes I think Felger forgets that his primary audience is fans of the teams he covers. No doubt, his skepticism gets those fans riled up and calling in and what have you, and sometimes he just so happens to be right. But I think he needs to recognize that his demographic ultimately cheers for these teams and can use a pat on the shoulder every here and there.
So, as a fan, that felt like the kind of game where we should be able to use the post-game after a game like that as a fairly celebratory experience. But it was just so, so negative -- I turned it on not two minutes after the game ended and he was questioning why Belichick went for it on fourth down with a chance to run up the score.
Sometimes I think Felger forgets that his primary audience is fans of the teams he covers. No doubt, his skepticism gets those fans riled up and calling in and what have you, and sometimes he just so happens to be right. But I think he needs to recognize that his demographic ultimately cheers for these teams and can use a pat on the shoulder every here and there.