Everybody Hates Draymond

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Agree to disagree.... I guess? He couldn't possibly even have a good view of the ball when he hacks dude in the face. The ball is nowhere even close to Draymond's hand. This was reckless at best. And he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Agree to disagree.... I guess? He couldn't possibly even have a good view of the ball when he hacks dude in the face. The ball is nowhere even close to Draymond's hand. This was reckless at best. And he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I’ll ask you this then. Do you expect the league to address this? If what you are saying actually happened he’s getting another suspension. I can’t imagine anything coming of this. This was a basketball play on the ball….if the league addresses this then he should retire bc he isn’t being allowed to play the same game as everyone else.
 

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bc he isn’t being allowed to play the same game as everyone else.
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t play the same game as everyone else. I’m not some huge Draymond hater but Game 2 in the 2021 Finals convinced me he is officiated differently than just about every player in the league. Every other NBA player gets T’d up for what he was doing with Jaylen and unfortunately Jaylen let it get to him and the team lost its composure (and the game). I’m not sure how this is remotely controversial.

The play tonight was him “going for the ball” in the sense that he wildly swung his arm around the player to where he assumed the ball was and hit Davis pretty hard in the process. It wasn’t in control and that’s kind of par for the course with Draymond. He often plays out of control because he’s allowed to for some reason.
 

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I'm as anti-Draymond-antics as they come, but he was going for the ball. Way more normal than his other "basketball plays" of recent times.
 

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I think he was going for the ball, but @LoLsapien calling it "reckless at best" sums it up. Not just was he hacking wildly at the ball, but Draymond was 5 steps too late to make any real play. To go in swinging that wildly on a random inbound pass is bizarre. It's something you see gym class heroes in high school do.

Like, watch the whole play. He was trying to play full court, and it's like his brain short circuits when he thought he could get a steal, so...he hacks wildly? There's no self-control.

View: https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1751460765662343554?t=cghQbJXJnF_94dW8Uyltkw&s=19
 

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The play on AD was a wild swing. It doesn’t matter if you’re going for the ball if you swing that wildly. There is almost no chance of getting a clean steal when you swing like that and those kind of swings are generally associated with frustration fouls. It clearly wasn’t even close to the worst thing he’s ever done but it was still a reckless play.

Then, you see the other clip with Vanderbilt where he’s jumping around like a psycho after calling him that B word and you know he’s learned nothing. The guy simply cannot control his emotions.
 

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Reckless or not….the Warriors desperately need him as they are a different team with and without him. He’s the ‘20s version of Laimbeer….who else has this approach? Grant and Nesmith at times, Bane, even PatBev has dialed it back. Nobody wants to play against these guys.
 

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Reckless or not….the Warriors desperately need him as they are a different team with and without him. He’s the ‘20s version of Laimbeer….who else has this approach? Grant and Nesmith at times, Bane, even PatBev has dialed it back. Nobody wants to play against these guys.
Yup. When he’s right, he makes that team go. He does himself a disservice with these antics because it overshadows just how good he really is.
 

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I don't know how anyone can look at that and say he's going for the ball. I can't say he was swinging for the face either, but I can say that is not how you go for the ball.

Maybe it's the swing that's the problem, and why we can't collectively make sense of it. From my perspective, anyone going for the ball there pokes at it so when I see a big exaggerated swing in a scenario where anyone else pokes the ball I can only conclude that he was more interested in hitting someone than the ball. And the fact he misses the ball by a couple feet supports that.

The situation is also relevant. I didn't watch the game last night, but it sure looks like they were in a situation where they had to foul and Draymond figured he might as well get a shot in.

To answer a question above, yes, I think he should be suspended a game for this. In the kindest interpretation of this situation, he is still out there swinging around his limbs with no control. Until he can learn to control his limbs, which every other player seems to be capable of, he doesn't deserve to be out there every game.
 

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Yup. When he’s right, he makes that team go. He does himself a disservice with these antics because it overshadows just how good he really is.
Not sure HRB was calling him good when comparing him to Laimbeer.. more like a player who is out there willing to do anything to win.. including hurting other players. He’s a bull in a China shop.. he throws his body and limbs into other players all game with zero care for other players safety.

The part of the clip that tells me he hasn’t changed at all is how he reacted to someone calling him out on that.. typical bully reaction.
 

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I don't know how anyone can look at that and say he's going for the ball. I can't say he was swinging for the face either, but I can say that is not how you go for the ball.

Maybe it's the swing that's the problem, and why we can't collectively make sense of it. From my perspective, anyone going for the ball there pokes at it so when I see a big exaggerated swing in a scenario where anyone else pokes the ball I can only conclude that he was more interested in hitting someone than the ball. And the fact he misses the ball by a couple feet supports that.

The situation is also relevant. I didn't watch the game last night, but it sure looks like they were in a situation where they had to foul and Draymond figured he might as well get a shot in.

To answer a question above, yes, I think he should be suspended a game for this. In the kindest interpretation of this situation, he is still out there swinging around his limbs with no control. Until he can learn to control his limbs, which every other player seems to be capable of, he doesn't deserve to be out there every game.
Yeah.. my reaction to seeing that clip was that he was trying for an intentional foul.
 

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Not sure HRB was calling him good when comparing him to Laimbeer.. more like a player who is out there willing to do anything to win.. including hurting other players. He’s a bull in a China shop.. he throws his body and limbs into other players all game with zero care for other players safety.

The part of the clip that tells me he hasn’t changed at all is how he reacted to someone calling him out on that.. typical bully reaction.
The Laimbeer comp was in how he approaches contact. He is a very very good player that I’ve always said was the Warriors second most important player. Look at this team the three games since their 9-day layoff with Draymond compared to them losing 8 of their last 11, with 4 or 5 by double digits. For the +/- guys which you know I’m so fond of lol….

https://x.com/nba_university/status/1751593260173148341?s=46&t=-v8-zMpGeLyzspejEbiVjg
 

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After all those two or three sessions of therapy, if Dray is going for an intentional foul, he should just be giving guys a good strong hug. Maybe slap Davis on the ass, point a finger and shout "I appreciate you, bro". History matters I would absolutely want the league to suspend the guy for this play and his reaction in the aftermath. He's learned nothing.
 

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Agree to disagree.... I guess? He couldn't possibly even have a good view of the ball when he hacks dude in the face. The ball is nowhere even close to Draymond's hand. This was reckless at best. And he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, it was reckless. Doesn't mean it was intentional. I'm a Draymond hater but let's call it like it is. His whole problem is his playing with reckless disregard for opponents' bodies and whether he hurts someone, compounded by a big attitude problem whenever someone takes issue with his berserk style of play.

Incidents like kicking people in the balls, that's obviously intentional. Here he's at least making a basketball play. If we're looking for the incident that's going to kick him out for a year, this ain't the one anyone is going to stand on. But I don't think it'll be long until it comes.
 

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Not sure HRB was calling him good when comparing him to Laimbeer.. more like a player who is out there willing to do anything to win.. including hurting other players. He’s a bull in a China shop.. he throws his body and limbs into other players all game with zero care for other players safety.

The part of the clip that tells me he hasn’t changed at all is how he reacted to someone calling him out on that.. typical bully reaction.
Yeah, the rough play wasn’t even the worst part of it. It was the reaction to Vanderbilt that got me. He is very unstable and it’s only a matter of time before we see a real non-basketball play again.
 

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Yes, it was reckless. Doesn't mean it was intentional. I'm a Draymond hater but let's call it like it is. His whole problem is his playing with reckless disregard for opponents' bodies and whether he hurts someone, compounded by a big attitude problem whenever someone takes issue with his berserk style of play.

Incidents like kicking people in the balls, that's obviously intentional. Here he's at least making a basketball play. If we're looking for the incident that's going to kick him out for a year, this ain't the one anyone is going to stand on. But I don't think it'll be long until it comes.
Yeah if you foul somebody in the face with your upper arm, it's reckless and even if you're like "my bad" it's the kind of thing that will get you uninvited to pick up games. The additional problem is the reaction which if it was more of the "my bad", everybody would have moved on. I think the concern with Draymond (and many people I know like him) is that they tend to escalate when misunderstood and they destroy any remaining goodwill. Draymond will continue to act this way and I think you can't really let these things go for that reason.
 

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Yeah if you foul somebody in the face with your upper arm, it's reckless and even if you're like "my bad" it's the kind of thing that will get you uninvited to pick up games. The additional problem is the reaction which if it was more of the "my bad", everybody would have moved on. I think the concern with Draymond (and many people I know like him) is that they tend to escalate when misunderstood and they destroy any remaining goodwill. Draymond will continue to act this way and I think you can't really let these things go for that reason.
And at the end of the day..he gets a hug from Curry and nobody says anything to him about his behavior from the GS side so he thinks it’s ok. Shame he didn’t play when Laimbeer did.. when players would/could punch back and not only not get suspended or thrown out.. there wouldn’t even be a foul called. Not that I want that era back.. but Draymond wouldn’t be the bully he is if everyone got to play by his rules.. he relies on the fact that the other player won’t fight back because they don’t want to get suspended.. so he thinks he’s tougher because nobody punches back.
 

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The play on AD was a wild swing. It doesn’t matter if you’re going for the ball if you swing that wildly. There is almost no chance of getting a clean steal when you swing like that and those kind of swings are generally associated with frustration fouls. It clearly wasn’t even close to the worst thing he’s ever done but it was still a reckless play.

Then, you see the other clip with Vanderbilt where he’s jumping around like a psycho after calling him that B word and you know he’s learned nothing. The guy simply cannot control his emotions.
Yeah, that play was typical Draymond, where he takes advantage of what would be a normal basketball play and really leans into it to inflict damage on the opponent, as if he has no control over his body. It's just that this one wasn't so blatantly obvious, so he won't be getting an indefinite suspension out of it.
 

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If it hadn't been an intentional foul taken with 14 seconds left in a 1 point game, it absolutely would've been a flagrant. We often see guys hacked pretty hard in this situation, and I don't think I've ever seen the refs call a flagrant.

That said, you usually don't see the player with the ball hacked that hard, when they are standing and not dribbling away from the defender. As he always does, Draymond takes something relatively ordinary and does it with 50% more intensity and violence. Maybe he's out of control or maybe it's intentional (AD is an 80% free throw shooter, and it's absolutely not a coincidence that he missed the first free throw after getting hacked directly in the face), but I think we're well past the point of caring. The sooner he's gone, the better.
 

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Green was phenomenal last night and while everyone was talking about Steph’s shot it was the inbounds pass by Podz that is going unnoticed. That was elite stuff right there. The Warriors are a flawed team but can’t imagine that they don’t give some team(s) fits in the playoffs.

https://x.com/worldwidewob/status/1756545080901665136?s=46&t=-v8-zMpGeLyzspejEbiVjg
 
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Green was phenomenal last night and while everyone was talking about Steph’s shot it was the inbounds pass by Podz that is going unnoticed. That was elite stuff right there. The Warriors are a flawed team but can’t imagine that they don’t give some team(s) fits in the playoffs.

https://x.com/worldwidewob/status/1756545080901665136?s=46&t=-v8-zMpGeLyzspejEbiVjg
Dray had a good game & he's a quote if nothing else (people are going to lose their collective minds when he is a regular on TNT)

Really fun game down the stretch.

Any idea what the Warriors are going to do with Klay (re: contract)? I haven't followed all that closely, but every time I watch Kerr is playing Pods or GP2 in big spots
 

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Dray had a good game & he's a quote if nothing else (people are going to lose their collective minds when he is a regular on TNT)

Really fun game down the stretch.

Any idea what the Warriors are going to do with Klay (re: contract)? I haven't followed all that closely, but every time I watch Kerr is playing Pods or GP2 in big spots
In his interviews this week he sounded like a defeated man. You can’t perform at the NBA level without confidence and he sounds long gone.
 

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Green was phenomenal last night and while everyone was talking about Steph’s shot it was the inbounds pass by Podz that is going unnoticed. That was elite stuff right there. The Warriors are a flawed team but can’t imagine that they don’t give some team(s) fits in the playoffs.

https://x.com/worldwidewob/status/1756545080901665136?s=46&t=-v8-zMpGeLyzspejEbiVjg
I know some posters go too far with their Draymond criticisms—suggesting he’s not a good player without this stuff—but we shouldn’t be using the fact that he’s an elite defender and passer to excuse the fact that he punches players in the balls and knocks out his teammates.

He is 100% a toxic influence on the court and the league has allowed it over and over – most likely because he is a key part of an elite team that has been good for ratings.

As I said upthread, I still get angry about what he did in Game 2 of the 2021 Finals. Any other player gets T’d up for the shit he pulls with Jaylen—being in his landing space, falling over on him, and laying on him—but the league knows that would be tantamount to gifting the Celtics a 2-0 lead going back him and a death sentence to the series. So instead they tolerate him going right up to the line of injuring guys – effectively letting him change the tenor of not only the game and series.

It’s worth rewatching the clip:

View: https://youtu.be/I90AAbo6vcQ?si=A6euA3PPj95-LXYn


And yes, I know “Jaylen/Tatum/Granite should’ve had the maturity to not let Draymond get to them.” Which JVG says here. But he also repeatedly says that there’s nothing else the players can do and Draymond should’ve been ejected for this. But of course he isn't, so here we are two seasons later with the same shit going on.

I am on record as saying that the NBA’s Achilles heel is that it referees stars completely differently than everyone else. I believe it goes back to Stern’s insatiable desire for ratings in the Magic and Bird era and I think he let it warp the integrity of the game. I think Draymond is yet another example of how that legacy continues. It sucks for the game which is why I am all for players calling this stuff out.
 

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I know some posters go too far with their Draymond criticisms—suggesting he’s not a good player without this stuff—but we shouldn’t be using the fact that he’s an elite defender and passer to excuse the fact that he punches players in the balls and knocks out his teammates.

He is 100% a toxic influence on the court and the league has allowed it over and over – most likely because he is a key part of an elite team that has been good for ratings.

As I said upthread, I still get angry about what he did in Game 2 of the 2021 Finals. Any other player gets T’d up for the shit he pulls with Jaylen—being in his landing space, falling over on him, and laying on him—but the league knows that would be tantamount to gifting the Celtics a 2-0 lead going back him and a death sentence to the series. So instead they tolerate him going right up to the line of injuring guys – effectively letting him change the tenor of not only the game and series.

It’s worth rewatching the clip:

View: https://youtu.be/I90AAbo6vcQ?si=A6euA3PPj95-LXYn


And yes, I know “Jaylen/Tatum/Granite should’ve had the maturity to not let Draymond get to them.” Which JVG says here. But he also repeatedly says that there’s nothing else the players can do and Draymond should’ve been ejected for this. But of course he isn't, so here we are two seasons later with the same shit going on.

I am on record as saying that the NBA’s Achilles heel is that it referees stars completely differently than everyone else. I believe it goes back to Stern’s insatiable desire for ratings in the Magic and Bird era and I think he let it warp the integrity of the game. I think Draymond is yet another example of how that legacy continues. It sucks for the game which is why I am all for players calling this stuff out.
That and the idea that players get techs for acting out of character.. so a player like Tatum is T’d for behavior that Draymond does on almost every possession.
 

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Green was phenomenal last night and while everyone was talking about Steph’s shot it was the inbounds pass by Podz that is going unnoticed. That was elite stuff right there. The Warriors are a flawed team but can’t imagine that they don’t give some team(s) fits in the playoffs.

https://x.com/worldwidewob/status/1756545080901665136?s=46&t=-v8-zMpGeLyzspejEbiVjg
The pass just got some love on the Celtics national telecast. It deserved it.
 

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They really are going to try to make him the next big thing on TNT, aren't they?

TNT announces alternate NBA All-Star game broadcasts, will pair Charles Barkley and Draymond Green

Green and Barkley will team up for an NBA All-Star Game ALTCAST on Sunday, which can be viewed on truTV and Max. The telecast will be hosted by Taylor Rooks and also features Jamal Crawford as a roaming reporter from the sidelines. Crawford will facilitate players interacting with Barkley and Green. The main All-Star Game telecast will be simulcast on TNT, TBS & Max; truTV and Max. Tipoff time for the game is 8 p.m. ET.
 

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Meh, I don't have to listen to him. The sooner he retires, the better for the game and for our players' knees. Maybe media prospects will encourage that to happen faster.
 

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He already is the next big thing with one of the more popular Podcasts.
Which is crazy because i havent had the inkling to ever even watch snippits of his pod that get posted. I've also not watched whenever he would guest on TNT. The one time i saw him, he took himself way too fucking serious when Charles cracked a joke and i was done.

I may be in the minority though.
 

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Which is crazy because i havent had the inkling to ever even watch snippits of his pod that get posted. I've also not watched whenever he would guest on TNT. The one time i saw him, he took himself way too fucking serious when Charles cracked a joke and i was done.

I may be in the minority though.
A lot of Draymond's schtick is WWF-level antics whether it's on the floor or in front of a mic...

it's crap but he'll get better ratings than this cast of ex-players Shaq, Kenny, Charles, Perk, Reggie Miller, Crawford, or Jefferson...
the bar is low
 

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Draymond is very smart about basketball, and definitely much smarter than most of the ex-player crop that's on TV. If he wants to, he'll have plenty of interesting things to say.
 

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If they end up in any kind of intense play-in, playoff situation this guy is 100% going to snap again. Maybe earlier. And the league will feign surprise.
 

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lol, lesson learned. Good job, good effort Adam Silver & crew. Praying this guy doesn't take out one of the C's in a few weeks.
We should have a betting pool on whether he's going to even make it to our game without further discipline. Probably +130, +140, somewhere in there.
 

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I want to be 100% certain of this….

But, his beef with Durant is solely because KD said something along the lines of I hope he gets the help he needs?
The thing that Draymond himself said was fine when he came back? Now he’s done a 180 and it’s a problem again?
He’s talking about Jurkic in that clip (though he may separately harbor a beef against KD also)
 

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He’s talking about Jurkic in that clip (though he may separately harbor a beef against KD also)
Yes, sorry my post was unclear. The clip was about Nurkic but he also called out KD on that same pod.
 

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I want to be 100% certain of this….

But, his beef with Durant is solely because KD said something along the lines of I hope he gets the help he needs?
The thing that Draymond himself said was fine when he came back? Now he’s done a 180 and it’s a problem again?
Yup. It's almost like his initial apology/redemption mini-tour was a complete and total sham. Silver and the NBA league office wake up every day praying that Draymond won't do more stupid shit, at least for the rest of this season.
 

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Because we're either going to be talking about it, or talking about why people aren't talking about it, we might as well move this one over here now:

At first glance, I thought it might've been a flop by DiVincenzo, but nope - Dray dropped the People's Elbow right on DiVincenzo's face. Happens real fast. Like Kliq said, if anyone else is doing that, we'd probably assume it was a mild brush at most, and totally innocent.

That little look at him lying on the ground as Dray starts to run downcourt... man.
 

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Because we're either going to be talking about it, or talking about why people aren't talking about it, we might as well move this one over here now:


At first glance, I thought it might've been a flop by DiVincenzo, but nope - Dray dropped the People's Elbow right on DiVincenzo's face. Happens real fast. Like Kliq said, if anyone else is doing that, we'd probably assume it was a mild brush at most, and totally innocent.

That little look at him lying on the ground as Dray starts to run downcourt... man.
It's amazing how all of these "out of control, but just trying hard!" plays never seem to injure his own teammates.
 

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You know that he's going to end someone's career. We just don't know whose yet.
Aside from Rudy Tomjanovich from the Kermit punch, has there ever been an NBA players career ended due to physicality? Did it even happen in the 90s when everyone was playing way way WAY more physical than Draymond?
 

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Aside from Rudy Tomjanovich from the Kermit punch, has there ever been an NBA players career ended due to physicality? Did it even happen in the 90s when everyone was playing way way WAY more physical than Draymond?
Uh… Sorry. I was around for the 90s. People were not playing way more physical then Draymond. At least not more than once. If they did, they would get their faces redecorated.
The question is..Is there anyone in the NBA who comes close to the
“Accidental” havoc that Draymond causes? Why is it always him?