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At this point a year long suspension is the only thing that will teach him a lesson
Everybody Hates Draymond
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At this point a year long suspension is the only thing that will teach him a lesson
He's been out of control for a while. He has to get 10 games at a minimum. Let's see what Adam does.
Eventually, there is no difference between reckless "potentially" intentional behavior and just regular intentional behavior.
Draymond does this stuff so much more often and so much more aggressively than anyone else in the NBA.
In a vacuum maybe you can squint and claim some of these individual acts are just reckless clumsiness. But taken in totality, it's clear the guy is just a lunatic.
Get him out of the NBA ASAP.
Draymond does this stuff so much more often and so much more aggressively than anyone else in the NBA.
In a vacuum maybe you can squint and claim some of these individual acts are just reckless clumsiness. But taken in totality, it's clear the guy is just a lunatic.
Get him out of the NBA ASAP.
It's just getting weird. I know the Warriors announcers and other sycophants will bend over to make excuses again, but at this point it's just WWF level of aggression. Not watching Kerr's press conference, but...don't envy him being put in that position
Point 2, to flip it back to Draymond, if there is a "point of emphasis" why doesn't it apply to Green? He is way over the top in terms of complaining all game long every time i see him. But he skates and only seems to be penalized when he hits someone upside the head or in the throat or balls or whatever, and even then he'll likely get yet another slap on the wrist. If there is a point of emphasis about complaining, they might want to start with the most out of control guy in the league. Dude has a screw loose.
2 points. One, i fully agree. It makes no sense otherwise. The only justification is that it's akin to how in the NFL the league directs refs to have points of emphasis. Right now there are a ton of false start calls for centers who move the ball. It's dumb. It's out of proportion. But I guess the idea with these points of emphases is that a few weeks of NFL refs calling even the most minor occurrences will get players attention and change patterns of behavior. I suppose the NBA may have decided similarly in re the constant whining by players that it is getting obnoxious (and, even if it didn't at all deserve an ejection Jokic...just run down the court and play basketball! Christ, maybe there was a touch of contact, but looked like a fine no call to me). Perhaps the calculation is that a stretch of just tossing people will get guys to just play rather than whine constantly? I say that as someone who doesn't get why people constantly complain about players arguing. Doesn't really bug me.
Point 2, to flip it back to Draymond, if there is a "point of emphasis" why doesn't it apply to Green? He is way over the top in terms of complaining all game long every time i see him. But he skates and only seems to be penalized when he hits someone upside the head or in the throat or balls or whatever, and even then he'll likely get yet another slap on the wrist. If there is a point of emphasis about complaining, they might want to start with the most out of control guy in the league. Dude has a screw loose.
How is he an "enabler"...by playing him when he's not suspended? I'm no Kerr genius coach guy by any means but what does this mean? My read on Kerr is that each day he is forced to take the podium to defend Green is the worse day of his week/month/year.
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LGTM, not trying to fight with you but kinda reminds me of an abuser that is an awesome guy in the office but at home…not so much. I know I’m projecting a bit but don’t see myself embracing a retired Draymond.
Look, I'm as anti Draymond as they come on-court. I just see how competitive sports can make otherwise fine humans completely snap, and Draymond seems to be at the far end of the snapping distribution.
I don't see any reason to believe he wouldn't be a fine guy in all facets of life if the competitive sports were removed, which is why this feels different to me from the home/office abuser example.
Green is toast as a full-time player. He knows it and knew it before anyone. This act is all he has. He figures a bunch of players in the league dont want to get punched in the head and nuts while he rolls into their ACL. His last gasp is to use their hesitation to his advantage.
Hopefully any suspension covers Dec. 19th. It seems a matter of when not if he'll cause a serious injury.
It looks like Draymond’s act has got to the point he’s lost the media now. The only media member I saw somewhat stick up for him was Tim Kawakami, who somehow came to the conclusion that Nurkic flopped?
The TNT studio guys (Grant Hill, Jamal Crawford and Vince Carter) all thought he would be suspended. Hill guessed for more than 5 games. Richard Jefferson did a quick video clip where he called current Draymond “bad for the game”
I have no idea how you could watch that clip and stick up for him. Or how you could come to the conclusion that he didn’t mean to hit him (as Draymond claims). Its a ridiculous play and an embarrassment
I know TNT was kind of grooming him to step into a major media role, but I'm not sure that's in the cards for him on his current trajectory. Most NBA fans seem to really dislike him and he's easily the biggest villain in the league.
I certainly would have a very hard time listening to him and not instinctively seething. The minute he voices his opinion on somebody or some play, or calls someone soft, I would absolutely lose it.
They never put Bill Laimbeer behind a mic, though he has become something of a HOF-level coach in the WNBA, which is surprising but good for him. But at least I don't have to listen to the guy and pretend he's not a scumbag.
In other news, Luka Doncic outdueled Lebron James last night on the second night of a back-to-back. He talked afterwards about "everything hurts" and "I'm getting old", while the opposing team's star is 38. Meanwhile, Kyrie Irving is on the sidelines in a walking boot and crutches. Kyzuzu should've gotten the name of Lebron's chemist when they were both on the Cavs.
I can at least understand the argument that most of these events were spur-of-the-moment, instinctual reactions. That it's the sporting equivalent of manslaughter, not murder. He bumped me, I got angry, I hit him. Don't get me wrong, it's shitty and that's no excuse, but I guess that's what people are saying when they say he "didn't intend it".
The problem is, there's almost no cold-blooded sporting offenses where you plan it out beforehand, think it through and look for your opportunity. Nobody plans to get a roughing-the-passer penalty or a helmet-to-helmet hit in the NFL, it happens because of either bad coaching or a lack of hesitation by the offending player. Like, that's what ALL of these violations are, no matter how damaging or injurious. In baseball maybe there's some times where a pitcher has an intentional HBP to send a message, or where a hockey team plans to rough somebody up to teach them a lesson and it's planned more than mere moments in advance... but those are very rare, and frankly usually less violent. It doesn't matter that Draymond didn't plan to kick somebody in the nuts or suplex them 2 seconds after the whistle while wrestling for a ball or do a spinning backfist. It's not an excuse! You have to avoid it anyway! And nobody else seems to have a problem avoiding violent conduct in the game.
Just about every foul that's called in a game (other than take fouls) is one the offender didn't intend to commit. But we have varying levels of penalty, because we want to insert some level of hesitation before you go hog wild. More to the point, we want players to take special care when it comes to actions that might actually injure an opponent. A little slap of a hand or arm in a shooting motion is a foul within the context of playing the game - it affects the fairness dynamic surrounding "Trying to put the ball in the basket". It's called because we want players to be free to shoot the ball and see if they make it, but there's no purpose or concern beyond that. Whereas, actions that could actually hurt someone - we're talking about enormous humans moving full-speed and needing / using strength for most plays - are an entirely different category. Frustration fouls where you follow through and hit someone's head. Clipping someone who's in the air, causing them to crash-land awkwardly. Or stuff that hurts a player while having no connection to trying to make a play. That's the stuff we have extra rules about, extra concern for, additional discipline for, because it doesn't matter if it's "intentional". The player has to have some hesitation about such things, has to play in a way that shows regard for opponents' safety, or else we're just having a highly stylized brawl out there. Draymond specializes in just about every class of behavior that shows a total lack of regard for anyone's safety. So it really pisses me off when someone says "oh he didn't mean to do that" in a manner that suggests excusing the behavior. THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT, HE SHOULDN'T DO IT, NOBODY SHOULD DO IT.
If he's not suspended for this, I expect we'll see some eye gouging next. I mean, at that point, why not, right? Why not swing elbows on every rebound? I'm not trying to hit him, he just had the misfortune of being in my way! Good christ, that shit doesn't fly for my 7-year-old, nevermind a grown man. If I want to see a fight, I watch one where both people are going into it expecting a fight.
Just about every foul that's called in a game (other than take fouls) is one the offender didn't intend to commit. But we have varying levels of penalty, because we want to insert some level of hesitation before you go hog wild. More to the point, we want players to take special care when it comes to actions that might actually injure an opponent. A little slap of a hand or arm in a shooting motion is a foul within the context of playing the game - it affects the fairness dynamic surrounding "Trying to put the ball in the basket". It's called because we want players to be free to shoot the ball and see if they make it, but there's no purpose or concern beyond that. Whereas, actions that could actually hurt someone - we're talking about enormous humans moving full-speed and needing / using strength for most plays - are an entirely different category. Frustration fouls where you follow through and hit someone's head. Clipping someone who's in the air, causing them to crash-land awkwardly. Or stuff that hurts a player while having no connection to trying to make a play. That's the stuff we have extra rules about, extra concern for, additional discipline for, because it doesn't matter if it's "intentional". The player has to have some hesitation about such things, has to play in a way that shows regard for opponents' safety, or else we're just having a highly stylized brawl out there. Draymond specializes in just about every class of behavior that shows a total lack of regard for anyone's safety. So it really pisses me off when someone says "oh he didn't mean to do that" in a manner that suggests excusing the behavior. THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT, HE SHOULDN'T DO IT, NOBODY SHOULD DO IT.
If he's not suspended for this, I expect we'll see some eye gouging next. I mean, at that point, why not, right? Why not swing elbows on every rebound? I'm not trying to hit him, he just had the misfortune of being in my way! Good christ, that shit doesn't fly for my 7-year-old, nevermind a grown man. If I want to see a fight, I watch one where both people are going into it expecting a fight.
This is what I thought of as well. His schtick is no different than Donald Trump. He was in line to take Barkely's spot eventually. I really don't want to be watching him on TNT for the next 20 years...
I feel exactly the same. I hope he's not the Chuck replacement. It's not even that he's bad at media (he isnt, he's really good), he's just an asshat who's ruined all goodwill with non warriors fans.
Yeah, Draymond has a big personality that works well for media, but a key thing about the TNT show in particular is that people actually like Chuck, Kenny and Shaq. Sure, Chuck in particular might have been a villain at one point in the league, but ultimately he is a good natured, likeable dude. Draymond's reputation is shit among pretty much every NBA fan except Warrior fans, and even some of them are sick of his act. Maybe it all blows over by the time he retires, but even if he is a good personality on TV, it would seem to be a risk for TNT to throw him on a universally well-received show like Inside the NBA.
I could totally see him screaming into the void on ESPN or FS1 and arguing with Stephen A. Smith or Shannon Sharpe or Skip or whoever, though.
Stick him next to Pat Bev. Draymond can call various guys soft while Beverly snorts and makes snide comments about Chris Paul.
Everyone is well served by ignoring randos on the internet who claim to have personal knowledge of things out of the public eye. But I'm going to be one of those randos understanding that you should all ignore me. But I do have it on good authority that he is the same guy with his family that he is with opponents on the court. I can't prove that, but I have full confidence in the person who told me that. Again, there's no reason for anyone to believe that and in principle you're well served to ignore and I'm well served not to repeat what I can't prove. I repeat it only because, while the stuff on the court chaps my ass, that he can get away with off the court stuff is even worse. I agree fully he seems like a charming and intelligent guy in his off-court media appearances, so I can understand why you'd think he's a fine off-court guy who has something that goes off during competition.
I do hope that more than another toothless 5-game suspension this punctures his retirement ambitions to be a talking head. That's probably the biggest price he can pay.
I mean, the guy didn't haul off and wallop Jordan Poole in the face because he's a "competitive sports guy". He's not the first psycho to fool people with a charming facade.
Absolutely deserved. After his last suspension he showed no remorse. He said it was unfair that his history was used against him in the length of his last suspension. That showed he didn’t understand that the suspension is supposed to be a deterrent against future actions. He has shown no intention of altering his future actions. Any reinstatement should be contingent on him acknowledging he needs to change his behavior and if he doesn’t the next suspension can be measured in seasons.
Seems like the league has finally had enough of Draymond's shit. Any guesses as to how long indefinitely will be? Guessing this lasts 10-20 games, and when he inevitably chokes, punches, or kicks someone in the nuts the next time he gets the Artest treatment.
Local sports radio rightly pointed out that this seems like a Ja-style intervention, not just a punishment. I think it's at least 10 games, and possibly a lot longer.
Through the All Star break? I think it's going to be lengthy just to cool everything down.
I don’t speak for @luckiestman and I’m not sure I’d call Kerr an “enabler” but the Warriors decided as an organization there would be zero on-court punishment for Green punching Poole because they didn’t want him to miss the ring ceremony. At that point, Green knew he could walkover anyone on the Warriors payroll and that’s probably where his behavior skewed even further erratically.
Finally. And now we don't have to worry about him hurting one of the Jays or someone else in the upcoming game against GSW.
It takes months, if not years, for counseling to really work. See you next year at the earliest, Dramond (Silver doesn't have the stones for the rest of the year, but he should).
I find it ironic that Jokic got ejected for cursing at an official on the same night Dramond through a haymaker at Nurkic's jaw. When Green isn't engaging in dirty play, he's constantly berating officials. Using the same standard, he would get ejected from the majority of his games.
Appreciate the explanation. I don't really think that plays any factor into Draymond's internal issues when in the heat of battle though. His problem is that he isn't able to control his emotions and is acting instinctually in these cases. The NBA took action a few weeks ago along with likely another stern (silver?) warning yet that didn't change his pattern of behavior either. Kerr, nor anyone else, can control Draymond's actions when he gets triggered.
But what, exactly, triggered him here? Was there some confrontation I missed? Was he hit or upset about something? He goes over, aggressively fronts the guy then spins around and whacks him. Not sure he needs anger management if he just hits folks whenever; he needs total management.
Yeah I have no idea. Completely random. The guy has obvious issues. This is why I don't feel that any type of enabling isn't relevant in his case. To think that it plays any factor is to believe that if Kerr suspended him last year for the Poolie incident he'd be fine today and last night doesn't happen. That doesn't pass the smell test to me.
Worse than that, the Warriors rewarded Draymond with a 4yr $100MM deal in June, while immediately trading Poole. They scapegoated JP for last season
The Warriors blamed everyone (some video employees mostly) but Green for punching a teammate last year.
Dray wasn't the least bit remorseful last night, because he knows the Warriors have his back.
The League should fine Golden State 10X (not happening) whatever Draymond loses in lost wages. Let the Chase Center season ticket holders start paying for some of this crap since they enjoy it so much.
The money can go to domestic violence victims.
He was about to get beat on defense. So he blasted his opponent. He's toast with fists, elbows and knees.
I mean there is making shit up to fit their agenda and then there is this.....
Golden State was inbounding the ball when this play occurred.
Oh, and Draymond Green should count his blessings that it was the league meting out some justice to him, and not leaving it as a matter for Jusuf Nurkic's dad.
I hadn’t really digested that Green and Joe Dumars are tight and Green is apparently best of friends with Dumars’ son. Might explain some of the double-standards in terms of how lightly Green has been treated until now. At a minimum, to have the guy in charge of disciplinary action for the NBA not recuse himself is problematic.
As for this, I’ll be convinced this is real when there’s real evidence. To hear Green last night flat out lying like a narcissistic psycho and now read that supposedly he’s had a come to Jesus moment and knows he needs help feels a lot like good PR spin to me.
As for this, I’ll be convinced this is real when there’s real evidence. To hear Green last night flat out lying like a narcissistic psycho and now read that supposedly he’s had a come to Jesus moment and knows he needs help feels a lot like good PR spin to me.
As we all know by now, according to the law "premeditation" can happen in a second. It doesn't require an attack plan written down on paper before the game. In all of these instances of Green attempting to injure other players, he (pathetically) tries to hide it with him wildly failing his body all about, as if he just couldn't help it. He's trying to get away with this shit. That demonstrates forethought. It's all premeditated. He 100% intends to do it.
Let's be real here. They aren't looking for a Dr. to sign off on Draymond being a completely changed man. They probably have some minimum requirements for # of counseling sessions and then maybe Draymond having to say all of the right things in a sit down with Silver, et al. (which only requires a little bit of intelligence + a desire to get back onto the court, not true rehabilitation).
Edit: Frankly, I kinda hope he screws up again (without seriously hurting anyone, obviously) because he should already be on the "suspended for a season+" level by now.
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