Everybody Hates Draymond
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He was on the ground and got up the same moment he picked Smart. Yes, it should have been a foul. But also yes, there are tons of moving picks like that in end of game situations, and Draymond knows that they rarely if ever call a foul in that situation
The bolded is where you're losing everybody.
We all agree there are "tons of moving picks in end of game situations." We disagree that there are tons of moving picks "like that."
But how about this, find me one example of another player flipping a defender over his shoulder on a moving pick in any situation.
Here's a video of some of the worst screens you'll see, moving or otherwise, nobody gets flipped over the screener's shoulder. Just because it's end of game doesn't mean the sport turns into rugby.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceVET2QJrCE
Would you please provide a few of those videos of "just about every guy" throwing a block like that one? Really, I would like to see some support for your statement.
I mean, exactly like that? Probably not. Not many times at end of game is a guy standing up at the exact time a screen needs to be set
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgrPsAZ4o0&t=8s
C’mon.. we all watch basketball.. that second pick is nowhere close to commonplace. He comes off the ground and lifts the defender off his feet like a full on fullback. He’s done worse.. but why does that matter?
edit: or what a couple others said
Back on his bullshit. Gets upset at getting tangled up with Lu Dort (who grabbed him), swings his arm and follows through, on Dort's head. Gets an unsportsmanlike tech.
View: https://twitter.com/NBCSWarriors/status/1855798015258460502
View: https://twitter.com/NBCSWarriors/status/1855798015258460502
But the Ws win so all just part of the competitive edge I guess, you know, Draymond bringing that intensity...Edey should show him the same respect next time out. His face must be around elbow level.
Draymond is a dirty player because his smarts can no longer compensate for his declining skills. Kerr is "blind" because he still makes his team better.
Everyone knows that Kerr ignores Draymond’s dirty antics but LOVES to play sanctimonious with the media about every other team.
Kerr also whines to the media and refs about calls all of the time. Apparently that’s cool with Draymond but when other coaches do it it’s “soft” and shows their team it’s ok to be soft
Ehh, Kerr is just coaching his team. If he was coaching some other team, he'd talk about Green like everyone else does.
Yes, Kerr whines more than the typical coach about anything he perceives as "dirty" towards his team. Extremely sanctimonious guy; it's a lame schtick.
Can he please just go away?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43526881/green-expounds-latest-poole-apology-wants-move-on
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43526881/green-expounds-latest-poole-apology-wants-move-on
I was about to post about this.
He really is such a fucking dirtbag. It's absolutely impossible to have sympathy for him.
His definition of "accountability" is hilarious. You're such a martyr Draymond
Stop trying to make me look like the bad guy, says guy who punched his teammate in the face in front of the whole team…
The people who get offended by it the most are the people who most use it to denigrate others.
At the same time the aggressor doesn't get to determine when their victim should move on.. almost like the bully is continuing to be the bully. With that said.. both guys aren't particularly likable..but I do have some sympathy for Poole.
I think you may have misinterpreted my point. Nothing in Poole's statements is evidence he hasn't moved on, was my point. Just because he hasn't forgotten or forgiven doesn't mean he hasn't moved on.
Edit: To be fair, I suppose my statement was ambiguous. It never occurred to me that it would be interpreted the way I *think* you interpreted it, so that's on me.
Edit: And to be super extra clear, I don't disagree with anything you said regarding victims and aggressors/bullies.
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I intended to use your post as a jumping off point.. I didn’t think you were taking Draymond’s side.. I wasn’t 100% sure of what you were saying but assumed.
I was pretty shocked when I saw him in a Kia commercial recently with his daughter being all lovey Dad. There really have been zero repercussions for his behavior.
All of them?
If I'm Nurkic, I'm thinking ifDraymond pushes me and calls me a bitch (again) I guess he wants me to hit him?
He's made roughly $200,000,000 just in NBA salary over his career.
Not sure there are any on or off court repercussions he could face that even matter.
If he somehow were barred from the HOF I think he'd feel that, but that's not remotely on the table as a consequence for anything he's done thus far.
Should Draymond even be in the HOF? Usually I am pretty open with BB HOF invites. I mean College/Pro/Intl/ announcers and "ambassador" stuff all has historically counted and I am cool with that.
But Draymond? IDK....I mean lets put him on 25 other teams....or 30 other teams. Does he win titles? Or is he what he is a good lunch pail glue guy. He only seems to work with Curry, and if not for Curry would Draymond "Be anything special"? Was his college career "Special"? Does he work the same with Giannis? Tatum? Wemby? or does he NEED Curry to be "Draymond". Are his "Shenanigans" as overlooked if not for being pals with one of the most personable NBA stars of the last 20 years?
Never avged 15 pts/game and above 12 only once.
Never avged more then 9.5 Rebounds.
Assts.....I will grant you. Great numbers for a post guy. But again isnt that really a function of Curry running around and catching his passes on threes?
Career FG of 45% for a "post player"
IDK I can certainly be grading him on the Ahole curve......but i am not sure he should be considered for the Hof. Or ok....maybe considered....but not sure he should be assumed to make it.
Do you guys disagree? I can certainly be wrong.
But Draymond? IDK....I mean lets put him on 25 other teams....or 30 other teams. Does he win titles? Or is he what he is a good lunch pail glue guy. He only seems to work with Curry, and if not for Curry would Draymond "Be anything special"? Was his college career "Special"? Does he work the same with Giannis? Tatum? Wemby? or does he NEED Curry to be "Draymond". Are his "Shenanigans" as overlooked if not for being pals with one of the most personable NBA stars of the last 20 years?
Never avged 15 pts/game and above 12 only once.
Never avged more then 9.5 Rebounds.
Assts.....I will grant you. Great numbers for a post guy. But again isnt that really a function of Curry running around and catching his passes on threes?
Career FG of 45% for a "post player"
IDK I can certainly be grading him on the Ahole curve......but i am not sure he should be considered for the Hof. Or ok....maybe considered....but not sure he should be assumed to make it.
Do you guys disagree? I can certainly be wrong.
DPOY, 8x all defense, 4x champ, plus he was just as important defensively for the Warriors as Curry was offensively for much of their dynasty. I'm all for fun discussions about what he would've looked like on other teams (and I agree that he landed in the absolute perfect place for his skills), but the basketball HOF is pretty generous with their voting, and basketball reference gives him a 76.8% chance (higher than the likes of Kevin Love, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler and Joel Embiid). He's getting in.
Yup. Like Draymond he's got one DPOY and 8 all-defense, but he never made a single all star or all nba team (Draymond made 4 and 2, respectively). Cooper also came off the bench for most of his career, just 94 starts in 873 games (Draymond has started 99% of his games over the last decade). Cooper somehow got in with just a 0.9% chance per Bref.
Iguodala is gonna be the GS dynasty player on the HOF bubble. Just 2 all defense and 1 all star, that finals MVP (when he held Lebron to 36/13/9) is gonna have to do some pretty heavy lifting to get him in.
On .398 FG / .477 TS. If LeBron had been even moderately efficient, the Warriors would not have smoked them in Games 4-6 (all basically blowouts).
I agree that Steph should have won FMVP that year, though (26.0 ppg on .585 TS / 5.2 reb / 6.3 ast / 1.8 stl for the winning team). I'm agnostic about André for HOF, but given Michael Cooper is in he has a case, and Dray has a very strong case.
Our Hero vs Gabe Vincent:
2nd quarter:
View: https://twitter.com/LSH_lakeshow/status/1887714170118021457
Alt angle showing the "little somethin' extra":
View: https://twitter.com/CarlosYakNBA/status/1887713905264165332
3rd quarter: (Vincent was called for the foul, naturally)
View: https://twitter.com/FastBreakPhenom/status/1887722657107296583
This is like a 2/10 on the nut-punch scale for him, but still, can't control himself.
2nd quarter:
View: https://twitter.com/LSH_lakeshow/status/1887714170118021457
Alt angle showing the "little somethin' extra":
View: https://twitter.com/CarlosYakNBA/status/1887713905264165332
3rd quarter: (Vincent was called for the foul, naturally)
View: https://twitter.com/FastBreakPhenom/status/1887722657107296583
This is like a 2/10 on the nut-punch scale for him, but still, can't control himself.
Call #1 Vincent clamped Dray's left arm under the rim. Not a great angle on your replays; they had a better one in the game. Foul on Vincent, the Refs reviewed & got that call right (my initial thought was Dray was shoving Vincent for no reason).
Call #2 The ref saw it as Vincent initiating contact on the screen. 50/50 call IMO
But I agree with your overall point that Draymond still gets the biggest NBA pass on his incessant Ref-baiting/barking