Doogie does defense, the Sam Hauser thread

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Hauser is the guy I want signed more than Holiday or Kornet, from the bench. He also feels like the guy most likely to be signed away for a huge contract.
Fortunately, the Cs can extend him this summer without anyone else being able to negotiate.

It's very very hard to bet on yourself for an additional year when you only have $6M (pretax) in guaranteed lifetime earnings.

Edit: Moops got to it first.
 

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Do the weird machinations of the NBA CBA limit what Hauser can make in an extension vs open market?
Yes, he's limited to 120% of the average player salary, so roughly $12M/year and then raises. In 2025, he's an unrestricted free agent and could sign for up to the max with the Celtics or anyone else (if they're under the cap).
 

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Nesmith extension sounds about right. 3/33
I wonder who pushed for 3 years rather than 4 on that one: Nesmith or Indy?

I imagine the Cs would prefer to lock Hauser up for 4 years, if possible. Obviously that is counterbalanced by Hauser wanting one more good shot at a big payday when he's 29-30.
 

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Will Doogie be the First NBA Player (someday) to hit 50% of his 3s over a season?
Whose your better bet?
 

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Grayson Allen could get there this season. He is just a handful of misses away from 50% from three today.
 

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Also it's been done a handful of times already including twice by Steve Kerr.
 

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Will Doogie be the First NBA Player (someday) to hit 50% of his 3s over a season?
Whose your better bet?
Also, if he does it, it probably means he's not being aggressive enough. If you can make 50%, you want to increase the degree of difficulty to hit 40% on much higher volume. This is what Hauser has been doing: his degree of difficulty on a lot of these shots is quite high now, especially with the 1-long-step-gather handoff footwork that he's improving.
 

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Mea Culpa. I did look quickly at the League leaders back to about 2008. Not sure how I missed Korver. (who was close a few times)


However Almost all those guys had less then 3 attempts per game. So I will move the goal posts.....

Who will shoot over 50% with (something like) 5 attempts a game?? Or we could use Sams 10 attempts per 36.
 

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Mea Culpa. I did look quickly at the League leaders back to about 2008. Not sure how I missed Korver. (who was close a few times)


However Almost all those guys had less then 3 attempts per game. So I will move the goal posts.....

Who will shoot over 50% with (something like) 5 attempts a game?? Or we could use Sams 10 attempts per 36.
Basically, you're asking if Sam is going to break Steph's record of 402 3Ps in a season. Let's hope so!
 

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I will predict that Sam's light is even greener next year. Beyond that, who knows.
 

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Interesting story in today's globe about Sam and how he decided to join the Celtics.
Sam Hauser was unsure whether he would be selected in the 2021 NBA Draft, but since there was a chance, some friends and family gathered at his parents’ home in Stevens Point, Wis., for an understated watch party.
As they sat in the newly renovated basement, replete with a bar and big-screen TVs, they monitored the selections but did not obsess over them. Hauser’s agent, Jason Glushon, was at a celebration dinner in New York with Franz Wagner, his client who had been drafted eighth by the Orlando Magic, but Glushon kept Hauser updated throughout the night.
“It wasn’t a belief that he was going to be picked,” said Hauser’s mother, Stephanie. “It was more of a hope.”
The pursuit of Hauser was less traditional, and it has made his emergence more gratifying. Only five Celtics have ever made more 3-pointers in a season than his 197 this year, and he shot 42.5 percent from beyond the arc, ranking 11th in the NBA.

But his arrival as an undrafted free agent required more than that rushed courtship after the 2021 draft. For the Celtics, that night was the culmination of years of scouting, interviews, film study, and intense debate. Most often, the return on such an investment of time and resources to evaluate lower-end prospects is paltry. But every now and then there is a hit that just might tip the scales for a team pushing toward the top.

“These are always a big win for the whole organization,” Celtics vice president of basketball operations Mike Zarren said. “And the whole organization has to be aligned for them to work.”
The Celtics had just undergone one of the most significant leadership shakeups in franchise history following a first-round playoff loss to the Nets. Danny Ainge surprisingly retired as president of basketball operations and was replaced by Brad Stevens, who left his post as coach and took charge of the front office.

As coach, Stevens always spent several days reviewing the season that had just been completed before catching up on draft prep. Now, the draft was suddenly a top priority, so the front office gave him a crash course.
Assistant general manager Dave Lewin, who was then director of player personnel, had a list of players he wanted Stevens to see at individual workouts, including Hauser. The forward completed a group session at the Auerbach Center with prospects such as Trey Murphy and JT Thor, who were later drafted.

“Brad immediately took a liking to Sam,” Lewin said. “He was impressed with his size. He was impressed with his shooting. He was impressed with his feel for the game.”
A group that included the Celtics, Warriors, Timberwolves, Spurs, Pelicans, Grizzlies, and Heat told Glushon they had interest in Hauser if he was not drafted. The Heat are known for turning undrafted prospects into sturdy NBA veterans, and Hauser’s camp agreed that if all offers were equal, he would join Miami’s summer league team.

“I saw what Duncan [Robinson] had done and Max Strus had done [with the Heat],” Hauser said. “Obviously, they have a good culture for producing guys like that.”

Meanwhile, the Celtics’ pursuit of Hauser was gaining momentum. There was brief debate among decision-makers about Hauser’s athleticism, how he would mesh with the current roster, and whether, at 6 feet 8 inches, he was best suited to play small forward or power forward in the NBA. But they concluded that these were minor concerns.

“We all agreed that he should be our top target once the draft ended,” Zarren said.
More at the link.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/04/18/sports/sam-hauser-celtics/
 

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If Hauser keeps playing like he has in the playoffs, title or no, he's going to have to take a 4-year PP-money contract to lock in anything at all.

A bit of an exaggeration, but he definitely is not covering himself in glory or increasing his future earnings with his play.
 

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If Hauser keeps playing like he has in the playoffs, title or no, he's going to have to take a 4-year PP-money contract to lock in anything at all.

A bit of an exaggeration, but he definitely is not covering himself in glory or increasing his future earnings with his play.
I'm worried about him. The team does need to get something out of its bench and Hauser being able to make shots is a huge part of that.

Just waiting for that game where he makes five threes.
 

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He was very good in the Miami series and then didn’t do a lot and saw his minutes significantly reduced vs Cleveland. He should be able to contribute vs Indiana however he had a poor showing last night. I am hopeful that he bounces back. The Celtics could use his 3P shooting and he just needs to be serviceable on defense. His upside is certainly higher than Brissett’s.
 

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He was very good in the Miami series and then didn’t do a lot and saw his minutes significantly reduced vs Cleveland. He should be able to contribute vs Indiana however he had a poor showing last night. I am hopeful that he bounces back. The Celtics could use his 3P shooting and he just needs to be serviceable on defense. His upside is certainly higher than Brissett’s.
I love me some Hauser, but he was inconsistent in the Miami series. He was great in Game 5, and had a strong Game 1, but in between was mediocre (Game 2) or bad (Games 3 and 4), going 3-11 from three in those three games. Some of this was Miami's defense -- they weren't giving Hauser much space coming off screens -- but part of it was Hauser's shot being a little off.

Would be VERY helpful for Hauser to hit some threes this series, in part because that will open up the lane even more for JT and JB.
 

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I love me some Hauser, but he was inconsistent in the Miami series. He was great in Game 5, and had a strong Game 1, but in between was mediocre (Game 2) or bad (Games 3 and 4), going 3-11 from three in those three games. Some of this was Miami's defense -- they weren't giving Hauser much space coming off screens -- but part of it was Hauser's shot being a little off.

Would be VERY helpful for Hauser to hit some threes this series, in part because that will open up the lane even more for JT and JB.
Inconsistent is fair and SSS caveat applies however for the Miami series he shot .480 from 3 on 5 3PA per game and overall for this playoff run he is at .417 from 3 on 3.3 3PA per game which is reasonably good. I may be wrong but to me it has looked like he has done a decent job of staying in front of his man on defense and contesting shots. I guess my overall point is he has been generally good in this year’s playoffs and while he did have an off night last night I don’t think he should be replaced in the rotation.
 

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I don't know what kind of contract he's looking at, or will get, but he's been incredibly valuable to a wanna-be championship team this year. Maybe he isn't nearly as good or playable in the playoffs, but he really helped them during the regular season, which matters too. He'd be helpful for any team with championship aspirations.
 

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I AM worried about Hauser. He's had several games when he didn't score or only scored a few buckets. His defense is good at times but clearly he's not out there for his prowess on that end. More to the point, he looks to my amateur eyes to have lost some confidence. And Joe seems to have lost some confidence in him, as his minutes are down, understandably. In addition to not getting some production out of him and the impact of his 3s, it's leading to bigger minutes for the starting five. Especially with Porzingis out, and the bench having been shortened to only him, Pritchard and Kornet, there could be a ripple effect as the series goes along. This will be less of an issue after they get Porzingis back, and in the Finals, if they get there, with an extra day off between each game.

Not tooting my own horn because who the hell cares, but I have low level worried all season that he might tighten up in the playoffs. I beat back that worry because he's a professional athlete and it seemed like a reach. And it still may be. But damn, I hope he has a big game soon and eliminates this as an issue.
 

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At this rate, Hauser is going to be paying the Celtics to sign him this summer.
 

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Hasn't he always been a bit streaky? I think he's having trouble with Indy's pace - offensively and defensively, and with rising to the moment in the playoffs.
 

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Hasn't he always been a bit streaky? I think he's having trouble with Indy's pace - offensively and defensively, and with rising to the moment in the playoffs.
He’s been pretty consistent this season, other than during the west coast trip in December (GS, SAC, LAC, LAL) sandwiched by games against ORL and DET. Went 4-25 from three in that stretch, 10-34 overall.

Also, he was putrid against Philly and Miami in last year’s playoffs (3-13 from three, 4-17 overall, five DNP-CD’s) after a good series vs. Atlanta (5-11 from three, 6-12 overall).

SSS of course, but Hauser has struggled in the postseason — is it the defensive intensity? Smaller shooting windows? Don’t know. Concerning, though. That airballed three with the Celts down by three was awful.
 

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Hauser is shooting .417 from 3P in the playoffs and people think he’s losing money?

the biggest difference I see is that CLE and IND are making a conscious effort to have his defender stay with him so he’s getting fewer attempts - which magnifies his misses. Also it’s probably easier for a shooter to go 4-10 in one game than 4-10 over 3 games. He’s likely lacking a little feel right now so he’s not getting as many attempts but over the long run, guys don’t forget how to shoot. I mean even Duncan Robinson who had a bad year last year shot 39.5% from 3P this year and is shooting 39.8% for his career.
 

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Hauser is 1 for his last 13 from three in these playoffs.
I think the point is, while awful, it’s such a short period of time that the reactions are getting a bit ridiculous. “Hauser will have to pay the Celtics to come back, LOL”. Zoom out.
 

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Yeah I'm not worried about his next contract right now. I'm worried about winning this year's NBA Championship, and I still think it's somewhat important for them to get something positive out of Hauser before it's done. He doesn't need to go off for 20 or anything, but they really could use him to hit a couple of threes a game while he's in there.
 

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He's been dreadful beyond the shooting -- that offensive foul with 6 seconds left of Q3 game 1 that led to the Haliburton 3 could have been a pivot point of the series if JB didn't bail him out. But yeah, he's a got a 4-for-6 from 3 game in him. Keep on keeping on.
 

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Hauser is shooting .417 from 3P in the playoffs and people think he’s losing money?

the biggest difference I see is that CLE and IND are making a conscious effort to have his defender stay with him so he’s getting fewer attempts - which magnifies his misses. Also it’s probably easier for a shooter to go 4-10 in one game than 4-10 over 3 games. He’s likely lacking a little feel right now so he’s not getting as many attempts but over the long run, guys don’t forget how to shoot. I mean even Duncan Robinson who had a bad year last year shot 39.5% from 3P this year and is shooting 39.8% for his career.
.349. Not sure where you are seeing .417.

It's the opposite of the Horford effect IMO. Teams are daring Al to shoot, so he's shooting a ton. His attempts are up nearly 50% vs. the regular season. Whereas Sam's attempts are down close to 50% vs. the regular season.
 

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From memory two of the three misses last night looked close...but that last one, uggh, really off.

For the playoffs overall he's at .349 (across 13 games). But he's 0-9 in this series. Yuck!

And as noted, volume also down. To some degree, this is what people were worried about with him - rest of his game is slumping some (defense feels ok to me, but down a bit, rebounding and movement just ok) and without that three point shooting he's marginal as a rotation guy. But I still have some faith here---he's a proven shooter and he will have some ups and downs, especially with a sample as small as 9 shots.
 

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He may go off but the reality is that he appears overmatched against the Pacers at present. It doesn't make him useless and he isn't going to have to pay to attend NBA games next year. But the game feels a bit too fast for Hauser to get comfortable shooting at present.

At least his D is still decent.
 

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He may go off but the reality is that he appears overmatched against the Pacers at present. It doesn't make him useless and he isn't going to have to pay to attend NBA games next year. But the game feels a bit too fast for Hauser to get comfortable shooting at present.

At least his D is still decent.
Game 2 he had two that were halfway down, just needs a couple to go and he’ll be good to go.
 

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He may go off but the reality is that he appears overmatched against the Pacers at present. It doesn't make him useless and he isn't going to have to pay to attend NBA games next year. But the game feels a bit too fast for Hauser to get comfortable shooting at present.

At least his D is still decent.
Weirdly, he shot 14/23 (61%) against IND in the regular season.
 

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Against MIA: He shot 12/25 for 48%
Against CLE: He shot 6/12 for 50%
So far, against IND: He has shot 1/10 for 10%.
Overall: 19/47 for 40%
SSS indeed.
Against CLE, he was 3-9 from three (the shots he’s there to take) — more concerning to me was that there were three games in there where he was 0-1. The eye test suggested that he couldn’t get open.

Same against IND. 0-9. He’s had a few go in and out, but others have been rushed. As in CLE, it seems like he can’t get separation — I haven’t gone back to look yet, but I haven’t seen him coming off of screens as much as being momentarily open as defenders double other players.

I love the guy and want him to have some big games off the bench over the rest of this run. Feels like he’s pressing right now. Struggled the same way last postseason. Here’s hoping a few go down in G4 — we’re gonna need him in the Finals.
 

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I think the point is, while awful, it’s such a short period of time that the reactions are getting a bit ridiculous. “Hauser will have to pay the Celtics to come back, LOL”. Zoom out.
I'm being a bit gamethready and a bit tongue in cheek, because he's airballing open 3s now.
 

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During the minutes he was on the court just before the air ball that would have tied the game, he got no passes from teammates. He’s a liability right now in every way and his teammates look to have lost confidence in him. Joe should pin him the bench. He’s useless if he can’t hit 3s.

One for 13 reveals to me that he’s pressing and lost confidence in himself, and at the worst possible time. I’d love to be wrong and for Hauser to contribute to winning one of these games. But for now, his presence on the court is cringeworthy.
 

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During the minutes he was on the court just before the air ball that would have tied the game, he got no passes from teammates. He’s a liability right now in every way and his teammates look to have lost confidence in him. Joe should pin him the bench. He’s useless if he can’t hit 3s.

One for 13 reveals to me that he’s pressing and lost confidence in himself, and at the worst possible time. I’d love to be wrong and for Hauser to contribute to winning one of these games. But for now, his presence on the court is cringeworthy.
He's having a rough series but at any point he could break out. At worst he draws a lot of attention & opens up the floor for his teammates.

I'd rather have either Hauser or Tillman on the floor before Brissett.

We'll need Sam in the Finals, getting his confidence going while they are up 3-0 is the right move.
I expect Joe will continue to play him & not pin him to the bench.
 

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During the minutes he was on the court just before the air ball that would have tied the game, he got no passes from teammates. He’s a liability right now in every way and his teammates look to have lost confidence in him. Joe should pin him the bench. He’s useless if he can’t hit 3s.

One for 13 reveals to me that he’s pressing and lost confidence in himself, and at the worst possible time. I’d love to be wrong and for Hauser to contribute to winning one of these games. But for now, his presence on the court is cringeworthy.
Joe is playing him because other teams are terrified of him and guard the crap out of him. I wish he'd make some shots, but no one else on the bench provides anything close to Hauser's spacing.

You could probably use him completely as a decoy and still get good offensive results.
 

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During the minutes he was on the court just before the air ball that would have tied the game, he got no passes from teammates. He’s a liability right now in every way and his teammates look to have lost confidence in him. Joe should pin him the bench. He’s useless if he can’t hit 3s.

One for 13 reveals to me that he’s pressing and lost confidence in himself, and at the worst possible time. I’d love to be wrong and for Hauser to contribute to winning one of these games. But for now, his presence on the court is cringeworthy.
this simply isn’t true. he was great in game 2 even without hitting threes. his defense has been solid. he still stretches the floor. 1-13 doesn’t mean he’s lost confidence in himself, jesus christ didn’t we just watch al horford torch a team last night only like a week after a 1-12 or whatever against cleveland? shooters go on streaks but these guys are professional athletes it usually takes more than a few bad games to break a guys confidence.
 

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.349. Not sure where you are seeing .417.

It's the opposite of the Horford effect IMO. Teams are daring Al to shoot, so he's shooting a ton. His attempts are up nearly 50% vs. the regular season. Whereas Sam's attempts are down close to 50% vs. the regular season.
Someone posted .417 upthread; I didn’t check. Maybe it was pre-IND.