And in each case it became a celebrated -- not just tolerated -- characteristic of the team.RetractableRoof said:
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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ivanvamp said:
Yea but I feel very bad for the poor linebacker or corner that tries to hold Gronk when he realizes he won't be called for offensive pass interference.
JimD said:
Just saw this...
Kevin Seifert @SeifertESPN
Blandino: NFL used “new” signal for ineligible players in AFC Championship Game. Not new for Super Bowl. Ref will point to player, wave arms
I will feel more badly for my wife, when my head explodes after Gronk gets called for OPI after getting manhandled on the previous 5 plays.TomRicardo said:
soxhop411 said:
This guy wasn't clear on whether or not you could see the difference between 1 psi of pressure in a football?
Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch 7m7 minutes ago
Blandino said the NFL will talk with football maker Wilson in the offseason about possibly changing the inflation range.
Blandino said the NFL will talk with football maker Wilson in the offseason about possibly changing the inflation range.
I love this.. if I interpret this right.. The Ravens had verbal instructions included in the notification of who was ineligible that play... that will not be in the equation Sunday.. just a point to the ineligible player and the new safe signal or whatever it will be. The Ravens got more than the Seahawks will.soxhop411 said:
I thought the NFL was telling people not to talk about this? And now Blandino is revealing new details? What a clown show.
ivanvamp said:
It would be an interesting social science experiment for a major media outlet to serve up the same or a similar story in two versions, one leaving the story as is and one simply replacing 'Seattle Seahawks' with 'New England Patriots' and replacing 'Michael Bennett' with 'Chandler Jones'. Open the comments section up to the world and see how things shake out. To add variety and spice the stories could then be "corrected" (swapped) after a few hours and see what happens then. Some (okay very few) people might realize how dramatically their perceptions are clouded by...well by everything. It won't happen I know, 'integrity of the media' and all that but from a tech standpoint serving web pages to different random populations is common.
It's obvious that there's never been a real reason to log the PSI prior to the game. Why would they bother? It's always been common knowledge that the ball pressure is NO BIG DEAL.
More and more it's becoming clear that Goodell is on a "witch hunt" solely to avoid looking less tough in front of the world. "My refs say the balls were checked, and I will stand by them. Science, logic, evidence be damned".
More and more it's becoming clear that Goodell is on a "witch hunt" solely to avoid looking less tough in front of the world. "My refs say the balls were checked, and I will stand by them. Science, logic, evidence be damned".
So, they have nothing but a video of a guy going to the bathroom. I hope Kraft rips the whole league a new one.
I think this whole thing blew up because the NFL front office thought that the balls had been tampered with after the refs had approved them. This they regarded as acting in bad faith, and I can understand that reaction. However, once it became clear that the ref inspection was, ahem, informal, they should have reversed gears because the evidence of bad faith was non-existent.
That's why I raised the question of whether the refs will agree to be deposed under oath by Paul Weiss. I bet their union lawyer is negotiating with Wells either immunity if they reveal they didn't check by gauge, or an unsworn statement.
I assume the ref was asked after the game, and that he told the NFL he did check. Now, under oath, lying to your employer could not be viewed as a good thing.
I assume the ref was asked after the game, and that he told the NFL he did check. Now, under oath, lying to your employer could not be viewed as a good thing.
geoffm33 said:
It means that every ball submitted (regardless of condition) gets into the game UNLESS the officials decide to pick it out of the lineup and really check it.
Ha, not even a log of exactly what PSI the balls were pre-game. The NFL has absolutely nothing.
It blew up because Irsay dimed to Kravitz and it had 10 hours to get around twitter, etc. before anyone in the NFL office punched in for work on Monday morning. It was out and they had to deal with it so they've doubled, tripled, and quadrupled downKoufax said:
So basically, even a slight reading between the lines means that the Colts footballs were also deflated at halftime, just not below the legal range. And taking it one obvious step further, that can likely or even most probably be explained by either having balls that were more inflated to begin with, or different ball prep procedures -- or both.
All of which Belichick basically alluded to at his science presser, and this board has been covering in depth for about a week now.
What an unbelievable joke this all is.
All of which Belichick basically alluded to at his science presser, and this board has been covering in depth for about a week now.
What an unbelievable joke this all is.
Yet that fact won't stop the NFL from leaking one-sided BS and for the public & media for breathlessly eating all the negative stuff up.RedOctober3829 said:
Sounds more and more like this guy's analysis (http://www.hawkridgesys.com/blog/simulationdeflate-gate-2015-tom-bradys-case-solidworks-flow-simulation/) which was posted upthread is what happened.
Aligns with BB PC as well.
Aligns with BB PC as well.
Within the next 24 hours, expect more tweets from Mort, Florio and others talking about entrechment, low burden of proof, etc. Goodell is too egotistical to let this go.
Why don't they just update the rule:
Balls will be tested on the field in "game conditions" to the best of the officials ability, 15 minutes prior to the start of the game, to ensure that the balls are inflated propoerly in game-time conditions.
Balls are to be tested using (gauge specs here), with inflation numbers logged.
Balls are to be tested again at half time, on the field in "game conditions", with inflation adjusted as needed at that time. (gauge specs and log info)
During play, it is the officials responsibility to judge by subjective inspection whether the ball in play is acceptable.
Any fluctuations of pressure during play are considered normal, and are not to be corrected except at the half as previously noted.
Yeah it's too many words, and someone could pretty it up, but basically: testing done under "game" conditions, check it at half in case the weather has chanegd significantly, anything else is just "part of the game".
Balls will be tested on the field in "game conditions" to the best of the officials ability, 15 minutes prior to the start of the game, to ensure that the balls are inflated propoerly in game-time conditions.
Balls are to be tested using (gauge specs here), with inflation numbers logged.
Balls are to be tested again at half time, on the field in "game conditions", with inflation adjusted as needed at that time. (gauge specs and log info)
During play, it is the officials responsibility to judge by subjective inspection whether the ball in play is acceptable.
Any fluctuations of pressure during play are considered normal, and are not to be corrected except at the half as previously noted.
Yeah it's too many words, and someone could pretty it up, but basically: testing done under "game" conditions, check it at half in case the weather has chanegd significantly, anything else is just "part of the game".
Right, as if there's a log of any sort. Never in their wildest imagination did the officials think the issue would be anywhere near this big. They found/were alerted to a problem, they fixed/solved the problem, case closed: we're on to the second half.geoffm33 said:
Koufax said:
It's been pretty obvious for some time that this is the case.
The problem for the NFL is one of losing face. They created this monster because they knew - they just knew - the Patriots were doing something to deflate the balls. Then it turned out that there was no evidence to support their assumption, the Patriots held multiple press conferences to declare (forcefully) that they did nothing wrong and just like that, the NFL is stuck.
The NFL has no graceful way out of this, so the choices they now make will be very telling. If I were a betting man - and I am - I would guess that the NFL will use the Wells report as cover to cast doubt on the Patriots claims of innocence while at the same time declaring that they do not have any evidence to support claims of overt tampering. So any punishment will be relatively mild and they'll hope the issue goes away.
I can't see Kraft letting it end that way, but I'm certain this is how the NFL will play it.