#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[cornwalls@6]

funny thing my way is, all the Giants and Jets fans around have seemed to stop caring about this.  
 
Yeah the Post and the Daily News have their cover stories, but I wonder if it's a diminishing return now.
 
 
I think even some real Patriots-haters just want to watch a football game!

 
Other than the usual moronic trolls, seems like it's dying everywhere. Scanning several of the major sports-site home pages, little to no mention of it. Talk radio will of course ride it to it's death, but I also sense, mercifully, the game is starting to finally take center stage. Shit, we're even starting to go several minutes between posts here.         
 

 

[jsinger121]

 

[mt8thsw9th]

This Gregg Doyel. I am shocked at how dumb sports writers are.

 
Someone actually pranked him and replaced his picture with a pic of Pitbull. Well played, CBS.
 

 

[patinorange]

Dick Vermeil: White List

Pretty good addition considering there is not a player on the 2001 Rams team that doesn't think BB cheated in their Super Bowl.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

Pretty good addition considering there is not a player on the 2001 Rams team that doesn't think BB cheated in their Super Bowl.

 
Have they asked the head coach, Mike Martz?

 

[lars10]

One thing in all this that I haven't seen mentioned...is that this is a really poorly written rule..and one that most teams have failed to comply with in almost every game I'd imagine.  If you inflate your balls to the max in hot weather there's no way that you will remain in compliance for the entire game.  If you inflate to the minimum in cold weather the same is true.  In reality if you inflate to the max or min you're almost guaranteeing that you're going to fail throughout the game.
 
Even if you inflate to 13 PSI there's no guarantee that the ball will stay in compliance throughout the whole game...it's just not possible to be absolutely sure that footballs will stay within the approved PSI WITHOUT actually checking them fairly regularly on the sideline because of the very nature of them being an air-filled ball.  The rule doesn't actually allow for fluctuation that happens in real life.

Edit: or what a few posters have mentioned this morning and I missed.

 

[simplyeric]

 
Yeah I saw that this morning.  Good stuff!
I think their trying to stir up continued interest by branching out into tangents.  
I'm sure some of my Bay Ridge ("Where it's STILL OK to Say Merry CHRISTMAS!") neighbors are still stewing about it, but they're probably more concerned about the betting lines than any real anti-Patriots sentiment...

 

[BlackJack]

Pretty good addition considering there is not a player on the 2001 Rams team that doesn't think BB cheated in their Super Bowl.

Mike Martz was the the head coach in 2001. Vermeil had already retired.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Theismann is on the white list (I think he has been anyway). He was saying we should wait for evidence before convicting them, and even if they were guilty it's such a minor and stupid thing to be upset about anyway. When he was saying we should wait for the evidence before convicting them, the CNN anchor crossed her arms and clenched up. it was pretty funny.

 

[patinorange]

 
Have they asked the head coach, Mike Martz?

Oh. No. I'm pretty sure he thinks they cheated.

 

[Devizier]

They're after Pete Carroll now! That dog won't hunt.

 

[mwonow]

Oh. No. I'm pretty sure he thinks they cheated.

Yeah, but he had motion and misdirection and trick plays and stuff...so, TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!

 

[mwonow]

I'd love for there to be a table of footballs, all inflated under laboratory conditions to the exact same psi with precision instruments, then brought outside and placed in various conditions - one in full sun, one in full shade, one being misted, one with a fan blowing across it, one being misted with a fan blowing across it, etc., all with the same precision pressure gauges inserted, with the results being tracked and displayed real-time in the corner of the screen during the broadcast. Not just for the SB, but for every game broadcast next year, and years to come, as a constant unavoidable reminder to everyone of the nature of this witch hunt.

 
Actually, I'd kick a few bucks towards a Gillette video board dedicated to this for 2016...

 

[BoneForYourJar]

I'd love for there to be a table of footballs, all inflated under laboratory conditions to the exact same psi with precision instruments, then brought outside and placed in various conditions - one in full sun, one in full shade, one being misted, one with a fan blowing across it, one being misted with a fan blowing across it, etc., all with the same precision pressure gauges inserted, with the results being tracked and displayed real-time in the corner of the screen during the broadcast. Not just for the SB, but for every game broadcast next year, and years to come, as a constant unavoidable reminder to everyone of the nature of this witch hunt.

Yes. I'd only add a ball that would at intervals be picked up, swung overhead, and then spiked viciously into the ground by a Gronk Simulator.

 

[Leather]

 
Yeah I saw that this morning.  Good stuff!
I think their trying to stir up continued interest by branching out into tangents.  
I'm sure some of my Bay Ridge ("Where it's STILL OK to Say Merry CHRISTMAS!") neighbors are still stewing about it, but they're probably more concerned about the betting lines than any real anti-Patriots sentiment...

 
Holy shit, I lived in Bay Ridge for 7 years.  Whenever I see these NYP or DN covers, I imagine picking one up outside my old bodega in that neighborhood.
 
I distinctly recall getting into a mild, but heartfelt, verbal altercation in September '07 with the fat, pony-tailed, dude who ran Thursday Night Karaoke at the Irish Bar on 89th and 3rd I used to go to with my then-girlfriend/now wife.  I was wearing a Red Sox shirt or something and he said "Pats are fucking cheaters!" under his breath, and I said something back, and he "They are cheaters and should be out of the fucking league!" and I laughed and let it go.  Still remember the vitriol he had; he had death in his eyes.    
 
Then he sang some shitty Maroon 5 song to warm up the crowd.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

one with a fan blowing across it, one being misted with a fan blowing across it, etc

 
Can it be this fan? 
 

 
That could be sort of like a Mark Henderson-esque story of retribution.

 

[snowmanny]

They're after Pete Carroll now! That dog won't hunt.

Cheated at NC State.  Cheated at USC.  Illegal practices.  Adderall for all.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Cheated at NC State.  Cheated at USC.  Illegal practices.  Adderall for all.

 
I just don't see how any of this relevant. It's not all in the NFL and it's not all this week. Plus Belichick didn't do any of it. Did you know Pete Carroll likes to play basketball with his players! It's so great. He's such a players coach. What were we talking about again? Oh yah, the Pats cheated and have a history of it. So that's what's relevant. Not Good Guy Pete and his basketball games, taking teams bowling or not having control of his Patriots Teams, NC State, USC Players and Marshawn Lynch.

 

[Norm loves Vera]

Erik Scalavino ‏@E_Scal 6m6 minutes ago
#Seahawks Pete Carroll says #NFL created new ref signal for ineligible receivers reporting into a game because of what #Patriots have done.
 
 
 
So by "done" Scalavino means follow the rule and reported correctly?
 
Edit to add my 2 cents..

 

[Van Everyman]

Volin chat with Bob Kravitz:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/with-bob-kravitz-guy-who-broke-deflategate-story/uWLlImCZnc1FlpoX14MdLM/story.html

Would never happen but I would love to see him do a chat w SoSH about this.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Hi,

To everyone who observes that "hot take provider x says Patriots are cheaters 4ever", the best thing you can do is not complain, just turn them off. It's probably a wise course of action anyways.

 
 

The general public consists, in general, of idiots.  Whether you choose to be an idiot and think Spygate was a huge deal is your choice.

 
 

Gregg Doyel just compared this patriots team to the 1919 Black Sox on D & C. 

 
Lather. Rinse. Repeat

 

[cheekydave]

Marshall Faulk is on EEI now
 
WOW is he one ANGRY DUDE

 

[TheoShmeo]

The other Indy writer who has been banging the drum hard against BB and Brady is Gregg Doyel.  He was on D&C this morning.
 
I googled him today and came across a column he wrote for CBS Sports on October 3, 2014.  It was in the wake of the KC game and he pronounced the Patriots dead and buried  I'd link it but I can't link docs or paste anything on SoSH from my work computer for whatever weird reason.
 
Perhaps that column explains, and more than just in part, this guy's fervor.  Because man does he look stupid in a Trent Dilfer sort of way (and without Dilfer's mea culpa).

 

[Hoya81]

The other Indy writer who has been banging the drum hard against BB and Brady is Gregg Doyel.  He was on D&C this morning.
 
I googled him today and came across a column he wrote for CBS Sports on October 3, 2014.  It was in the wake of the KC game and he pronounced the Patriots dead and buried  I'd link it but I can't link docs or paste anything on SoSH from my work computer for whatever weird reason.
 
Perhaps that column explains, and more than just in part, this guy's fervor.  Because man does he look stupid in a Trent Dilfer sort of way (and without Dilfer's mea culpa).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/gregg-doyel/24735536/belichick-the-coach-can-only-blame-himself-as-gm-for-pats-decline

 

[JeffLedbetter]

How has no one brought this up? If this dude went to the bathroom and came out after about 90 seconds, he clearly did not wash his hands. Is there a sign in that bathroom that says that employees must wash their hands before returning to work? Was this how Tom Brady ended up getting sick?

 

[E5 Yaz]

The alarm got pulled in the Patriots hotel in the middle of the night.

This is the SECOND time this has happened since they arrived.

If there isn't a full investigation and the threat of Coach Pete losing his job, I'll be starting a petition to remove the Seahawks from the SuperBowl.

(The worst part is that the alarm thing probably does affect the game more than the stupid fucking PSI of the football.)

 
MikeReiss Mike Reiss
Every Patriots player I asked about fire alarms going off overnight said they didn't hear them. This is a large property.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Erik Scalavino ‏@E_Scal 6m6 minutes ago
#Seahawks Pete Carroll says #NFL created new ref signal for ineligible receivers reporting into a game because of what #Patriots have done.
 
 
 
So by "done" Scalavino means follow the rule and reported correctly?
 
Edit to add my 2 cents..

 
 
Yes, I saw that. They are making a procedure/rule change on the fly for the championship game. A big FU to all the football mediots who would mock MLB or other major sport doing the same.
 
 
According to Pete, official will point at the player (with eligible number) reporting as ineligible and kind of crouch and make a baseball-style "safe" call. 

 

[Van Everyman]

It's not a rule change. It's a signal change so the ref doesn't have to scream, "DON'T COVER NO. 34 OK?!?" over 70K fans. Seems reasonable enough.

 

[Harry Hooper]

It's not a rule change. It's a signal change so the ref doesn't have to scream, "DON'T COVER NO. 34 OK?!?" over 70K fans. Seems reasonable enough.

 
It's reasonable enough, but unleashing it for the last game of the season isn't.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

 
It's reasonable enough, but unleashing it for the last game of the season isn't.

 
This will be nothing when Goodell announces at half time that the rules have been changed to allow the Seattle defense to use 15 men and that the Seahawks now get 6 downs instead of 4.   :buddy:

 

[Dead Balls]

 
It's reasonable enough, but unleashing it for the last game of the season isn't.

 
Its pointless because the play relies on confusion.  Essentially the defense not knowing what to do.  It worked on Baltimore, didn't work on the Colts and certainly wont work on the Seahawks. 
 
edit: The Pats will not call those types of plays in the Superbowl is what I mean.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Its pointless because the play relies on confusion.  Essentially the defense not knowing what to do.  It worked on Baltimore, didn't work on the Colts and certainly wont work on the Seahawks. 
 
edit: The Pats will not call those types of plays in the Superbowl is what I mean.

 
That's the key point. Once Harbaugh drew attention to it and they had shown the formations, even the Colts weak defense was able to be in position. For all their bluster, Seattle's a disciplined defense; this is going to be a non-issue

 

[loshjott]

This was published two days ago so it may already be linked here, but I can't find it...
 
Outstanding smack down from Seth Stevenson at Slate. Maybe a little too over the top snarky, but he hits all the points.
 

Dear Patriots haters,
 
What a pack of wretched chumps you are.
 
Your bitter envy of my three-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots has gnawed at your souls. You’ve grown deformed, like the odd little depression that football helmets often form in Peyton Manning’s outsized forehead.
 

 

 

[simplyeric]

 
That's the key point. Once Harbaugh drew attention to it and they had shown the formations, even the Colts weak defense was able to be in position. For all their bluster, Seattle's a disciplined dense; this is going to be a non-issue

 
 
Didn't one of those "elligibility" plays actually work quite well, but was called because because apparently one of the guys didn't quite report correctly?
 
edit:  and maybe that's why it worked, and was correctly flagged by the refs.  But I don't recall the details.
 
I somewhat expect there to be a play of that nature, and then for the "inelligible receiver" to take a lateral/backwards pass in the flat.

 

[timelysarcasm]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/gregg-doyel/24735536/belichick-the-coach-can-only-blame-himself-as-gm-for-pats-decline

 
That guy is a known blowhard and a fervent Pats hater. He unleashed this turd upon us a couple of days ago, criticizing Kraft's Ballghazi press conference:
 
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/01/27/doyel-super-bowl-media-day-dumb-kraft-demand-dumber/22423051/

 

[j44thor]

 
That guy is a known blowhard and a fervent Pats hater. He unleashed this turd upon us a couple of days ago, criticizing Kraft's Ballghazi press conference:
 
http://don'tclickhere.....

 
Why give him more clicks then?

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Why give him more clicks then?

 
Because resistance is futile; they have been assimilated  

 

[Dewy4PrezII]

Marshall Faulk is on EEI now
 
WOW is he one ANGRY DUDE

He's not the only one.  That dude cost me $100 in FFB by falling off the face of the earth the year I drafted him #1 overall.  In short, eff Marshall Faulk,

 

[Reverend]

Volin chat with Bob Kravitz:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/with-bob-kravitz-guy-who-broke-deflategate-story/uWLlImCZnc1FlpoX14MdLM/story.html

Would never happen but I would love to see him do a chat w SoSH about this.

 
The reason it would never happen is because he did a chat with us and then his editors decided it was a good idea and wanted him to start doing them on boston.com instead of here.

 

[TomTerrific]

The American media (Mostly National) the last 15 years has been light on facts and heavy on rumor's and speculation I started noticing it after they declared Gore had won the presidency, then after 9/11 it seemed to me to turn into more sensationalized media reporting.
Granted Twitter has made it worse and TMZ certainly doesn't help as it just show's the American people love gossip and rumors.

 
Credit where credit is due--it all started with the McLaughlin Report

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Credit where credit is due--it all started with the McLaughlin Report

 
Hedda Hopper, Luella Parsons, Alexander Wollcott and Walter Winchell were on The McLaughlin Report?

 

[TomTerrific]

 
Hedda Hopper, Luella Parsons, Alexander Wollcott and Walter Winchell were on The McLaughlin Report?

 
Two Hollywood gossip columnists and a literary critic a dumbing down of journalism do not make.
 
Walter Winchell--OK you got me there.

 

[SumnerH]

Didn't one of those "elligibility" plays actually work quite well, but was called because because apparently one of the guys didn't quite report correctly?
 
edit:  and maybe that's why it worked, and was correctly flagged by the refs.  But I don't recall the details.
 
I somewhat expect there to be a play of that nature, and then for the "inelligible receiver" to take a lateral/backwards pass in the flat.

One of them went for a Solder touchdown, but should have been called a penalty (Fleming was eligible the play before and ineligible on the Solder TD; you have to leave for a snap unless there's a penalty or something in between, which there wasn't).

Discussion here: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/87542-completely-legal-substitution-aka-the-john-harbaugh-is-a-whiny-little-brat-thread/page-9#entry5865534

 

[KiltedFool]

http://www.lfg.co/tda/strip/50/

 

[GregHarris]

Just got around to listening to Greg(g) Doyel, man what a d-bag.  It's unfortunate that D&C and especially Minihane let him get off so easily.
 
He goes on about how the integrity of the game is paramount and any amount of cheating however small is an affront to the game and should be completely admonished.  Then when given the example of stickum on the receivers gloves immediate backs up the bus and says that there are "different levels, because the football is the most basic thing you play with, but stickum just affects one or two guys".
 
Then he mentioned that he went to the University of Florida.  Ha!  They should have asked him about Charlie Pell.

 

[ivanvamp]

Not sure where to put this, but it's on the subject of "cheating".  Interesting article here on espn where they laud Seattle for bending the rules and exploiting "loopholes in human nature".  (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12244470/seattle-seahawks-found-way-use-penalties-their-advantage)
 
"The Seahawks have run more than 1,000 plays this season. For argument's sake, let's say they've started all of those plays on offense a micro-second early or an inch or two closer to their opponent, but only got caught 33 times. That means the Seahawks have had a jump on their opponents on 97 percent of their offensive plays. All it did was cost them 165 yards in penalties, total, or 2 percent of their total production. Of course it's not that cut-and-dried. After all, the shame and punishment of 33 false starts caused the Seahawks to fall all the way to No. 1 in rushing.
What's more, you and I see Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett and his numerous offside penalties and we immediately think: that fool got caught 10 times - 10 TIMES!
Whereas the Seahawks look at Bennett and think: that dude got away with a head start 250 TIMES!
Like I said, genius.
And the best part of this ground-breaking strategy is how well it works in the Super Bowl. The bigger the stage, the more important the entertainment value, the less likely refs will be to interrupt the flow of the broadcast with numerous penalties.
You'll see.
It was Pablo Picasso who said you had to "learn the rules like a pro so you can break them like an artist."
Which means Super Bowl XLIX is shaping up to be the Seahawks finest masterpiece."

 

[ObstructedView]

Not sure where to put this, but it's on the subject of "cheating".  Interesting article here on espn where they laud Seattle for bending the rules and exploiting "loopholes in human nature".  (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12244470/seattle-seahawks-found-way-use-penalties-their-advantage)
 
"The Seahawks have run more than 1,000 plays this season. For argument's sake, let's say they've started all of those plays on offense a micro-second early or an inch or two closer to their opponent, but only got caught 33 times. That means the Seahawks have had a jump on their opponents on 97 percent of their offensive plays. All it did was cost them 165 yards in penalties, total, or 2 percent of their total production. Of course it's not that cut-and-dried. After all, the shame and punishment of 33 false starts caused the Seahawks to fall all the way to No. 1 in rushing.
What's more, you and I see Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett and his numerous offside penalties and we immediately think: that fool got caught 10 times - 10 TIMES!
Whereas the Seahawks look at Bennett and think: that dude got away with a head start 250 TIMES!
Like I said, genius.
And the best part of this ground-breaking strategy is how well it works in the Super Bowl. The bigger the stage, the more important the entertainment value, the less likely refs will be to interrupt the flow of the broadcast with numerous penalties.
You'll see.
It was Pablo Picasso who said you had to "learn the rules like a pro so you can break them like an artist."
Which means Super Bowl XLIX is shaping up to be the Seahawks finest masterpiece."

This brought back horrific memories of numerous blatant, un-called holds toward the end of The Game That Shall Not Be Named.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Two Hollywood gossip columnists and a literary critic a dumbing down of journalism do not make.
 
Walter Winchell--OK you got me there.

 
The quote that began the discussion was this: "The American media (Mostly National) the last 15 years has been light on facts and heavy on rumor's and speculation."
 
Parsons, Hopper and Wollcott qualify

 

[ivanvamp]

This brought back horrific memories of numerous blatant, un-called holds toward the end of The Game That Shall Not Be Named.

 
Good lord man.  That was……..the worst.

 

[RetractableRoof]

Not sure where to put this, but it's on the subject of "cheating".  Interesting article here on espn where they laud Seattle for bending the rules and exploiting "loopholes in human nature".  (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12244470/seattle-seahawks-found-way-use-penalties-their-advantage)
 
"The Seahawks have run more than 1,000 plays this season. For argument's sake, let's say they've started all of those plays on offense a micro-second early or an inch or two closer to their opponent, but only got caught 33 times. That means the Seahawks have had a jump on their opponents on 97 percent of their offensive plays. All it did was cost them 165 yards in penalties, total, or 2 percent of their total production. Of course it's not that cut-and-dried. After all, the shame and punishment of 33 false starts caused the Seahawks to fall all the way to No. 1 in rushing.
What's more, you and I see Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett and his numerous offside penalties and we immediately think: that fool got caught 10 times - 10 TIMES!
Whereas the Seahawks look at Bennett and think: that dude got away with a head start 250 TIMES!
Like I said, genius.
And the best part of this ground-breaking strategy is how well it works in the Super Bowl. The bigger the stage, the more important the entertainment value, the less likely refs will be to interrupt the flow of the broadcast with numerous penalties.
You'll see.
It was Pablo Picasso who said you had to "learn the rules like a pro so you can break them like an artist."
Which means Super Bowl XLIX is shaping up to be the Seahawks finest masterpiece."

Bad Boys of Detroit fame applied the same principles. Foul on every play because they just can't call them all. After a while the aggressiveness/roughness became an acceptable style of play - enabling them to legally play dirty.