drleather2001 said:I do wish someone on that Patriots would at least take the media to task for focusing on such a stupid thing.
DrewDawg said:I still think something will come out this weekend.
There's no way Goodell can stand on a stage next weekend if the Pats win and extoll the virtues of a team that has won 4 titles and then call them cheaters later in the offseason.
Granted, if he calls them cheaters now, it'll still be uncomfortable next weekend, but at least everything will be on the table at that point.
drleather2001 said:
Or he somehow ensures that they don't win, by suspending BB or TB, or otherwise.
johnmd20 said:
I can't see this happening.
Myt1 said:Sure it matters. Because neither of them said that they checked out these balls to see if they were at 12.5 immediately before handing them to the officials to be weighed.
There are three references to 12.5 in Brady's press conference. None of them stated that they inflate the balls to 12.5 while he's choosing them before the game or immediately before they get handed off to the referee. He says that he likes them at that size.
There are two references to 12.5 in Belichick's press conference. Neither states that the balls are inflated to 12.5 immediately before being handed off to referees before the game.
Neither of the quotes indicate that the balls actually were at 12.5 when they were given to the referees, or that the Patriots knew how much pressure they had before given to the referees.
Look, I know that you're grasping for straws now, because you started with your nonsense "it has been scientifically proven" and "All the NFL has to do is release the measurements," and now the silence on the pregame measurements is becoming deafening. So you're looking for some way to excuse that lack of evidence by making the press conference quotes do more work for you than they actually can.
I like my steaks medium rare. That doesn't mean that the steak I cooked last night wasn't slightly over or under done.
Start linking or quoting things if you want to be taken seriously. And if the things you link or quote don't back up your conclusions, well, that will help everyone else here, too.
Oh my.WayBackVazquez said:You shouldn't necessarily. Not if you don't want to. They're vegas handicappers? From my emd, I would give the, more credence than say, a NYC bankruptcy lawyer, but that's just me.
He said they inflate them to 12.5 range. They don't really need to have the before test.Myt1 said:Sure it matters. Because neither of them said that they checked out these balls to see if they were at 12.5 immediately before handing them to the officials to be weighed.
There are three references to 12.5 in Brady's press conference. None of them stated that they inflate the balls to 12.5 while he's choosing them before the game or immediately before they get handed off to the referee. He says that he likes them at that size.
There are two references to 12.5 in Belichick's press conference. Neither states that the balls are inflated to 12.5 immediately before being handed off to referees before the game.
Neither of the quotes indicate that the balls actually were at 12.5 when they were given to the referees, or that the Patriots knew how much pressure they had before given to the referees.
Look, I know that you're grasping for straws now, because you started with your nonsense "it has been scientifically proven" and "All the NFL has to do is release the measurements," and now the silence on the pregame measurements is becoming deafening. So you're looking for some way to excuse that lack of evidence by making the press conference quotes do more work for you than they actually can.
I like my steaks medium rare. That doesn't mean that the steak I cooked last night wasn't slightly over or under done.
Start linking or quoting things if you want to be taken seriously. And if the things you link or quote don't back up your conclusions, well, that will help everyone else here, too.
Corsi said:
Linda Cohn @lindacohn 14m14 minutes ago
Innocent till proven guilty. @ESPN_FirstTake #bradybelief #bradylegend
drleather2001 said:
Or he somehow ensures that they don't win, by suspending BB or TB, or otherwise.
CoffeeNerdness said:
So the complete opposite of what she was saying yesterday? Cool.
Harry Hooper said:
The perfect outcome for the Commish is to let the Pats play at full strength and lose the game. Perhaps the officials on the field will help get to that result.
You obviously haven't read the wrestling thread in the last 9 months...Grin&MartyBarret said:
This is definitely the longest thread in which 85% of the posts are variations on the idea that there's nothing worth talking about here.
Harry Hooper said:
The perfect outcome for the Commish is to let the Pats play at full strength and lose the game. Perhaps the officials on the field will help get to that result.
As long as no foolish punishments come out of this I don't really care. The Pats were always going to be the villain and this has made for a really entertaining week, a week that is normally terribly dull.Madmartigan said:This whole thing is ruining the SB for me. It's a real bummer.
Really? You think a ball inflated to 12.5 at the beginning of a week of practice is going to be 12.5 at the end of it? Those must be some magic balls.Bob420 said:He said they inflate them to 12.5 range. They don't really need to have the before test.
No, they don't.If the Pats measurements at halftime are in the 10.5 range as has been rumored/leaked,the back up balls were in the acceptable range, and the Colts footballs had a much smaller variation, either BB or Brady is lying and the refular footballs were submitted way below acceptable range while the backups were fine or they were tampered.
I have consistently said that they need to release the halftime and end of game measurements. Those measurements alone can be used to determine if something was done to the rumored 11 of 12 regular footballs.
Harry Hooper said:
The perfect outcome for the Commish is to let the Pats play at full strength and lose the game. Perhaps the officials on the field will help get to that result.
Madmartigan said:This whole thing is ruining the SB for me. It's a real bummer.
Bob420 said:He said they inflate them to 12.5 range. They don't really need to have the before test.
If the Pats measurements at halftime are in the 10.5 range as has been rumored/leaked,the back up balls were in the acceptable range, and the Colts footballs had a much smaller variation, either BB or Brady is lying and the refular footballs were submitted way below acceptable range while the backups were fine or they were tampered.
I have consistently said that they need to release the halftime and end of game measurements. Those measurements alone can be used to determine if something was done to the rumored 11 of 12 regular footballs.
I've been called crazy for impling such an outcome.Harry Hooper said:
The perfect outcome for the Commish is to let the Pats play at full strength and lose the game. Perhaps the officials on the field will help get to that result.
Ed Hillel said:One of my best friends is from Foxboro and used to work for the Pats in the Pro Shop. He knew one of the ball boys and asked him about this controversy. The answer will shock you. More later.
PeaceSignMoose said:
It won't be so bad when the team is dousing Belichick in Gatorade and carrying Brady off the field.
Ed Hillel said:One of my best friends is from Foxboro and used to work for the Pats in the Pro Shop. He knew one of the ball boys and asked him about this controversy. The answer will shock you. More later.
Ed Hillel said:One of my best friends is from Foxboro and used to work for the Pats in the Pro Shop. He knew one of the ball boys and asked him about this controversy. The answer will shock you. More later.
Red(s)HawksFan said:
:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:
Harry Hooper said:
The perfect outcome for the Commish is to let the Pats play at full strength and lose the game. Perhaps the officials on the field will help get to that result.
It doesnt say the pats need to submit them at 12.5Myt1 said:Really? You think a ball inflated to 12.5 at the beginning of a week of practice is going to be 12.5 at the end of it? Those must be some magic balls.
You don't think it's possible that they undercooked their steak this week? That maybe the balls actually weren't pumped up to 12.5? You don't think it's possible that the gauges the Pats use are differently calibrated than those the refs used, well, whenever it actually was that they supposedly checked the balls?
No, they don't.
This is big news. What were they tested at?Corsi said:
Ben Volin @BenVolin 20s20 seconds ago
Source: All 48 footballs (yes, 48) were properly inspected with a pressure gauge before Sunday's game
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/23/patriots-footballs-were-inspected-approved-before-afc-title-game/FxnyFsD2KjSEWETZKLTqeL/story.htmlAccording to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots’ footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.
Anderson and the officiating crew are not allowed to comment publicly unless given express permission from the NFL, which has not been granted. The NFL has been investigating the matter since Monday, and spokesman Greg Aiello said “We are not commenting on the details of the review at this point.”
While the NFL investigators had not questioned Patriots quarterback Tom Brady prior to his media session on Thursday afternoon, they have spoken with Anderson and his crew about the matter, the source said.
Once the footballs were approved for game use, they remained in the locker room until about 10 minutes prior to kickoff, at which point the officials handed the footballs to the ballboys on each team.
The 12 backup balls for each team were stored in the officials’ locker room during the first half. According to a report from WEEI, the officials swapped out the Patriots’ footballs at halftime and used the backups, which were properly inflated, in the second half.
The game was held up for a minute right after the third quarter opening kickoff. The source said the officials had spotted the specialized kicking ball at the line of scrimmage, and it took them extra time to find an acceptable Patriots ball to use.
The NFL sent a letter to the Patriots on Monday informing the team that it discovered underinflated footballs in Sunday’s 45-7 win in the AFC Championship Game, and are conducting a review of the situation to determine how it happened. The Patriots are practicing this weekend in Foxborough and will travel to Arizona on Monday to face the Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjSI0O2na0OilCanShotTupac said:Funny to ask Wilfork about this.
In an 11-year career, encompassing 158 regular season games, Wilfork has:
3 interceptions, with a total of 48 yards gained on those 3 interception returns;
25 passes defensed;
5 forced fumbles;
12 fumble recoveries, with a total of 2 yards gained on those 12 fumble returns (including 1 TD).
So he has averaged .28 ball touches, or .29/game, even giving him credit for fleeting contacts with the ball.
Which is actually a lot more than I would have thought for a DL.
But re: the idea that he can opine on football pressure:
LOL.
High noon?Ed Hillel said:
It's actually true is the thing. I have news. I will reveal it at Noon, and this actually did come from an ex-Pats ballboy.
Ed Hillel said:
It's actually true is the thing. I have news. I will reveal it at Noon, and this actually did come from an ex-Pats ballboy.
“There isn’t a day that goes by since 2003 that I haven’t questioned … that there were some things done that might have been beyond the rules that may have given them a three-point advantage,” Hurney said, via ESPN.com. “This isn’t about deflating balls. . . . It’s an issue of if there is a culture of cheating at the organization that most people look at as the gold standard in this league. Is there a culture of cheating and breaking the rules?
“And I can’t prove anything and that’s why I’m very angry. And the anger has come back over the last couple of days that commissioner Roger Goodell decided to shred all of the evidence after ‘Spygate,’ because I think there were a lot of things in there that would bring closure to a lot of people.”
Hurney also acknowledged that his team’s hands weren’t clean that year, after three of their starting offensive linemen were named in a steroid investigation in South Carolina.
Corsi said:
Ben Volin @BenVolin 20s20 seconds ago
Source: All 48 footballs (yes, 48) were properly inspected with a pressure gauge before Sunday's game
Corsi said:
Ben Volin @BenVolin 20s20 seconds ago
Source: All 48 footballs (yes, 48) were properly inspected with a pressure gauge before Sunday's game