#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Not sure I agree here. His point that BB can be a prick is spot on. The media's hysterical reaction is not just bc of spygate and the pats' success. A lot of it is fueled by the media's hatred of bb. His press conferences consistently reveal his disdain for the media, and you see how these idiots respond when given the chanceTheoShmeo said:
You shouldn't necessarily. Not if you don't want to. They're vegas handicappers? From my emd, I would give the, more credence than say, a NYC bankruptcy lawyer, but that's just me.pedroia'sboys said:
The only way this can end well is the NFL saying "the difference in ball pressure was small enough that it was likely caused by temperature, etc." (which would contradict the first Mort report)
If they say, "there was a difference in ball pressure unlikely to be natural, but we have no evidence of tampering and therefore no penalty" the media frenzy will just get worse.
If they say, "there was a difference in ball pressure unlikely to be natural, but we have no evidence of tampering and therefore no penalty" the media frenzy will just get worse.
WayBackVazquez said:
Posted about four pages ago--note the timestamp on the tweet.
READ THE THREAD, SHEEPLE!!
Since punishment seems to be trending towards the minor side, my only real concern is how this is affecting the team and it's preparation. I'm hoping for FU mode but I'm worried.
Problem there: no one has had the opportunity to do that. Last I heard, no one from the NFL has stepped in front of, or has been willing to step in front of, a room full of microphones, either to issue a statement or to take questions. While those smug-ass Patriots had the audacity to hold not one, but TWO, press conferences. The very gall.......JimD said:
worse for who?loshjott said:
Think BB cares? He'll be able to repeat "the league found no evidence of tampering" 1,000 ways, 1,000 times next week. No skin off his back
I am sure I have missed it in this mega thread, but the 2 psi change; so the NfL has a log of the pregame pressure test and can compare to the half time test? And has it been confirmed that 'pregame check' means with a pressure gauge or rather the ref grabs it, squeezes it, and says ok good to go.
God I hope I used my semi colon okay.
God I hope I used my semi colon okay.
Well I really mean nothing worse than a fine and draft pick loss. Which can be major, but 48 hours ago I was irrationally terrified of MDL's rumor of a BB suspension for the Super Bowl.drleather2001 said:
Brady's ball is a thought experiment, sometimes described as a paradox, devised by American quarterback Tom Brady in 2015. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics applied to everyday objects. The scenario presents a football that is randomly put in a state where over and underinflated are both possibilities, requiring further observation to determine which.
No thanks, boss. I've read about 85 or 90 pages of this thread. I'm not combing through every page to make sure I haven't missed anything.TomTerrific said:
kartvelo said:
I was not suggesting a punishment or even that the poster was correct in asserting that a fine would be in order. I was pointing out to Laddie that he may have been reading the post he questioned more harshly than intended.
A more direct reply to you would be to point out that there really isn't a good analog for what's happening here. The narrative has become one about how the Patriots are always shading the rules and the entire league is looking to take them down a peg. So while your point is logically consistent, the media, fans and (perhaps) the NFL isn't really operating in a logical fashion these days.
Don't be snarky - Read my post. Context matters.pappymojo said:
I said bb shows his disdain for the media. In the eyes of the media, he acts like a prick and makes them look stupid.
I have no idea what kind of person bb really is, but if you don't think he pisses off the media, you're nuts
I heard a teaser that Tony Romo was going to be on Mike and Mike today, but I got to work and didn't hear the interview.
Anybody catch it? Other than Rodgers, have we heard from any current active QBs? I know they need to be careful what they say, but those will be good perspectives.
Anybody catch it? Other than Rodgers, have we heard from any current active QBs? I know they need to be careful what they say, but those will be good perspectives.
If Theo's sources are in fact tapped in, the possibility that the league swung all the way from suspensions to nothing is pitch perfect given everything else that has gone on this season. I wonder who the brave soul was that brought the Panthers precedent to Roger's attention.
Or I could not check the last 30 pages as soon as I wake up in the morning. Is this the news only thread or the main board. With all of the hard hitting analysis in here, I'm getting confused.DrewDawg said:
By the way, is there a chance the weather could have affected the PSI?
What we need and haven't received yet:
Confirmation on whether all 36 balls (12 Pats game balls, 12 Pats back up balls, 12 Colts balls) were tested with a gauge before the game, where this testing took place, and whether these results were recorded.
Confirmation on when and where the Pats game balls were tested during the game, whether any other balls were tested, and whether any results were recorded. An additional nice to know would be whether these balls were modified (pumped up again) and where these balls were stored after the testing when they failed the test.
Confirmation on when and where all 36 were tested after the game, and whether any results were recorded.
Failing this information I think there is no way to prove that anyone did anything wrong. I do not trust any leaks through anonymous NFL leaks.
Confirmation on whether all 36 balls (12 Pats game balls, 12 Pats back up balls, 12 Colts balls) were tested with a gauge before the game, where this testing took place, and whether these results were recorded.
Confirmation on when and where the Pats game balls were tested during the game, whether any other balls were tested, and whether any results were recorded. An additional nice to know would be whether these balls were modified (pumped up again) and where these balls were stored after the testing when they failed the test.
Confirmation on when and where all 36 were tested after the game, and whether any results were recorded.
Failing this information I think there is no way to prove that anyone did anything wrong. I do not trust any leaks through anonymous NFL leaks.
wiffleballhero said:
The wrestling thread on P&G is at 509 pages and that was the first place I looked. This one isn't close.
Burt Reynoldz said:
One of my bosses regularly tells me that he hates the Patriots. He lives in CT but is from CA, and not a big football fan.
Admin assistant (Giants) tells me as often as he can how much the Patriots are cheaters.
My friends in Pittsburgh have hated the Patriots since like 2003. HATE. They talk about how Brady is a terrible person because of him leaving Bridget Moynahan. Yeah...the people who root for Big Ben.
My father in law doesn't hate the Patriots, but he talks regularly about how much hate and accusation there is out there (he's a semi-hermit in LA/San Diego). I thin khe even mentioned that some folks in Mexico talk about it (he spends months at a time camping in Baja) but that might just be the other dropout surfers who retreat there from teh US.
Some of these people are sports fans, some are only casual fans. There's a lot of hate out there.
But I caught only the second half of the TB PC.Obscure Name said:
(smacks forehead with open palm) So THAT's why I had an unexplainable urge to go Dunkin Donuts this morning!
Schrodinger's ball? Can the ball be both properly inflated and improperly inflated in the same simultaneous space time? Is that what you are asking?
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Yeah at least 5 threads on the front page of P&G are longer than this one.
wiffleballhero said:
This is definitely the longest thread in which 85% of the posts are variations on the idea that there's nothing worth talking about here.
pappymojo said:
This x 100, it's ALL THAT MATTERS. Anything else is media BS or reporting by people with agenda's, if the refs did the squeeze test and are afraid of being canned so they state that they did a gauge test the answer will never be found. Anything short of the information above and this will never go away. If the NFL wants to make this clear, announce all ball pressures, show equipment used, and clearly state that all balls were tested by a gauge not a squeeze test by the refs. IF the ref's didn't test with gauge they are done IMO for not coming out with the truth before now.
**sorry for multiple edits, ended up pulling in a multi-quote post and it formatted horribly.
Byrdbrain said:
Sorry, I meant with the procedures that were analyzed 60 pages ago, not Mort's stuff. Are the refs supposed to use pressure gauges pregame or just feel the balls and then do they log those pressures? Maybe it isn't clear from the procedural stuff. Thanks
Not sure, I guess it depends on what the actual weather was. Could you please refresh our memories as to what the conditions were.........?WayBackVazquez said:
Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm in an alternate universe with this thread just a little bit. Obviously, I'm guessing here like anyone else. But reading the tea leaves, the story seems to be that the Patriots' game balls had a significant underinflation not likely to be caused by nonhuman factors. The NFL strongly suspects tampering and will impose punishments, possibly including the HC for being captain of the ship or the QB for being the guy intimately involved with the footballs. But of all the weeks when it could do that, this is the one where it simply cannot. NBC paid billions for the game. Pepsi would lose its mind. Vegas would freak. Jimmy G. as QB next Sunday is simply not in the cards, so it will simply ride it out and then start interviewing ballboys and Brady after the game. At which point it will impose harsh penalties for deliberate tampering with the footballs, whether it can find the specific person involved or not.drleather2001 said:
There are other possibilities for sure, but we seem to be doing gymnastics to avoid the most simple. Log books with pregame documented psis is not going to be the standard here. And relying on some internet person called shark here is what some poster above described as motivated thinking. I remain hopeful this is otherwise, but that's merely a hope, not an expectation.
I have two concerns at this point.Laser Show said:
One, like yours, is distraction. Undoubtedly all of this nonsense will result in less focus on Seattle than if it did not exist. Even if they put in the same amount of time, they are being asked about it and will be asked about it, and will be devoting mental energy to it. Hell, if the NFL does its job, they will waste several hours of Tom's life.
Two is whether BB's handling of the press conference yesterday has any negative affect on his relationship with Tom, whether in the short or long term.
As to the first question, the optimist in me says they have enough time to spend left in the days before the game. But the concern lingers.
As to the second question, who the hell knows but it would be normal for Brady to have some negative reaction unless their performances were coordinated, which seems likely.
I keep ending up at the same place. Patriots guilt or innocence aside, I DO NOT trust the NFL to make an informed decision here. It's going to be an emotional decision from Roger and his goons. Based on track record, and past decisions, I'm incredibly nervous.
The Social Chair said:
That was great. I'm making Infantalized Yahoos my fantasy football team's name next year.
TheoShmeo said:
If it was the truth, which seems highly likely, then what can TB be mad about, really? The team is in siege mode and can't get caught telling a lie or even appearing to be playing fast and loose with the truth. BB covering for Brady simply wouldn't fly, and TB would get asked the same questions at his press conference anyway. So, even if BB "covered" for Brady, what's Brady going to do? Say "I don't know anything about my own ball choice procedure. Ask coach." That would be stupid and literally incredible.
I mean, it would be one thing if BB asked Brady to lie, or exaggerate his ball picking routine, but I doubt that's the case.
Anyway, I'm sure they coordinated the response with Kraft, anyway. Brady is likely shaken because it's the first time he hasn't been teflon.
