Chris Sale aiming to return

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Reading something online from a hospital for distal ORIF:

2 weeks follow-up for x-rays,
4 weeks cast or removable brace,
motion exercises (with or without removable brace) after 6 weeks,
strengthening exercises after 3 months.

Generally, no activity restrictions after 3 months, assuming no pain and full motion.
 

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This means it was a displaced/unstable fracture, so they had to open it, put it back into alignment and fix it with hardware - hence the “open reduction internal fixation”. This aligns the bone and allows it to heal but doesn’t make the healing any faster

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I don’t think he’ll be able to throw for about six weeks - he can simulate the throwing motion and keep his shoulder strong but probably at least 4-6 weeks until he is allowed to pick up a ball. Given that he wasn’t stretched out before, I doubt he’ll be good to go this year
 

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Here’s a question - can’t you throw most pitches without your pinky being on the ball?
I broke my pinkie finger pitching fast pitch softball. First inning of the game and didn't think anything of it since it was swollen to the point it was numb. Pithed the rest of the game.

Swelling went down and couldn't throw for about four weeks just due to the pain. Every time the arm extended and let go of the ball, I thought the finger was going to just take off with it.

This was a relatively minor injury for me. I imagine Sale has pins and sutures which would just snap from the torque of trying to throw as hard as he could to be an effective major league pitcher.
 

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Maybe he could have gone the Ronnie Lott route and have it amputated and become the modern Mordecai 3 finger Brown
 

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This. Mid-September? Are they nuts. Maybe he can do some early physical therapy by then, but this is a season-ending injury. I heard Lou Merloni today playing it down, saying “you don’t even need your pinky to throw most pitches!” Ridiculous. Your pinky is connected to your palm and fingers by ligaments that need a full healthy range of movement. I broke my pinky pretty bad while riding bmx back in ‘89. I fell on my hand with full body weight and bent my pinky back. Luckily it was a softer loam I was jumping on, but I still broke it pretty bad. It didn’t really hurt until later, but my entire hand was out of commission for at least a month. And Chris’ break is on a whole different level of seriousness.
 

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Yeah I’m no doctor but I’m just writing the rest of the season off for him. So frustrating as I’ve been counting on his return to bolster the staff at least somewhat.

Lots of pressure on Pivetta to get his act together. He’s been terrible his last three starts and now they need him to step up in a huge way the rest of the season.
 

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He has two seasons left to live up to his contract and that 2025 year is probably not going to vest (no way he finishes Top 10 in the CYA voting in 2024).

He CAN opt out after this season, but likely won't. And he has a full no-trade clause through 2024.

A couple silver linings in that dark cloud.
 

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He has two seasons left to live up to his contract and that 2025 year is probably not going to vest (no way he finishes Top 10 in the CYA voting in 2024).

He CAN opt out after this season, but likely won't. And he has a full no-trade clause through 2024.

A couple silver linings in that dark cloud.
I think next year the Sox will reach the Sunk Cost limit if he's still unable to pitch or can only pitch ineffectively. I can't see them hanging on to 2024 with him if he's not healthy.
 
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He has two seasons left to live up to his contract and that 2025 year is probably not going to vest (no way he finishes Top 10 in the CYA voting in 2024).

He CAN opt out after this season, but likely won't. And he has a full no-trade clause through 2024.

A couple silver linings in that dark cloud.
He's pitched just over 50 innings since 2019. Zero chance he opts out this winter. The Sox would throw a party if he did.
 

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I think next year the Sox will reach the Sunk Cost limit if he's still unable to pitch or can only pitch ineffectively. I can't see them hanging on to 2024 with him if he's not healthy.
The Sox could go old school on him and keep him on the roster but having him sell hot dogs in the bleachers but the real cost is the roster spot.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if he returned to pre-2018 form bot I have no expectations that's going to happen. His real value is not going to be based on what he contributes vs what he's paid, but rather who is he blocking and is that better or worse than what he will contribute.

One thing in looking up his salary the other day is he gets $10MM a year for five years starting in 2035. Is that above and beyond (kind of like BONUS) or does that basically come out of what we think he's already getting paid?
 

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I'm more interested in the potential for permanent effects with an injury like this. He's not an offensive tackle. He needs "normal" fingers. Or maybe a crooked finger will help him throw a new pitch into his dotage.
 

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I don’t understand the concern of him taking up a roster spot if he’s hurt. If he’s injured and can’t play, he will be on the 60-day DL (like Pedroia was for years) and doesn’t count against the 40-man. Total non issue.
 

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I don’t understand the concern of him taking up a roster spot if he’s hurt. If he’s injured and can’t play, he will be on the 60-day DL (like Pedroia was for years) and doesn’t count against the 40-man. Total non issue.
The roster spot concern is for after the finger heals and he will be relatively healthy and off the IL. First impact of this is that his spot exposes one more prospect to the Rule 5 Draft.
 

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He's pitched just over 50 innings since 2019. Zero chance he opts out this winter. The Sox would throw a party if he did.
Wait, so the opt out is better for the team? Sorry could not resist.

In all serousness, Having Sale and Eovaldi back meant a lot for the Sox heading into the All Star Break, They are handling the dreaded part of the schedule horribly but still have a fighting chance.

This deal is turning into the worst contract ever, even if some of it is not his fault.
 

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I don’t understand the concern of him taking up a roster spot if he’s hurt. If he’s injured and can’t play, he will be on the 60-day DL (like Pedroia was for years) and doesn’t count against the 40-man. Total non issue.
I think in a case like Pedroia's, the roster issue was during the off-season when there is no 60-day IL and he had to be on the 40-man roster. That can have implications on things like adding Rule 5 eligible players for protection or making room for a free agent signing. But I don't think the concern with Sale is what to do if he's chronically or permanently injured, it's what to do if the accumulation of injuries, this finger thing in particular, makes him a "healthy" but ineffective pitcher going forward.

Wait, so the opt out is better for the team? Sorry could not resist.

In all serousness, Having Sale and Eovaldi back meant a lot for the Sox heading into the All Star Break, They are handling the dreaded part of the schedule horribly but still have a fighting chance.

This deal is turning into the worst contract ever, even if some of it is not his fault.
I'd say none of it is technically his fault. Injuries happen. I think you're more looking for some of it wasn't predictable. The elbow injury and needing Tommy John was arguably predictable. It's a genuine concern for all pitchers but with his build and pitching motion, it seemed inevitable (and it was). No one can predict a cracked rib or a finger getting smashed by a line drive. Those are flukes no one has the power to prevent.
 

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1. I think in a case like Pedroia's, the roster issue was during the off-season when there is no 60-day IL and he had to be on the 40-man roster. That can have implications on things like adding Rule 5 eligible players for protection or making room for a free agent signing. But I don't think the concern with Sale is what to do if he's chronically or permanently injured, it's what to do if the accumulation of injuries, this finger thing in particular, makes him a "healthy" but ineffective pitcher going forward.



2. I'd say none of it is technically his fault. Injuries happen. I think you're more looking for some of it wasn't predictable. The elbow injury and needing Tommy John was arguably predictable. It's a genuine concern for all pitchers but with his build and pitching motion, it seemed inevitable (and it was). No one can predict a cracked rib or a finger getting smashed by a line drive. Those are flukes no one has the power to prevent.
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To #1. If they plan to use him on 2023 (and well they should) then the roster spot is not "wasted" At some point Pedroia's spot was "wasted" but maybe there was no real Rule 5 crunch then.

To #2. I agree that no injury is the guy's fault per se. Unless of course he does something stupid like ride a dirt bike, or play with a drone and cut his hand open. No one can predict this, least of all a 100 MPH batted ball hitting his finger, but in real terms, it is another wasted year.
 

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I'm more interested in the potential for permanent effects with an injury like this. He's not an offensive tackle. He needs "normal" fingers. Or maybe a crooked finger will help him throw a new pitch into his dotage.
Didn't Bob Stanley claim his pitches had more movement after he recovered from mangling his pitching hand in the trashbag mishap?
 

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Didn't Bob Stanley claim his pitches had more movement after he recovered from mangling his pitching hand in the trashbag mishap?
Bob Wickman claimed his sinker was much more effective because he was missing the tip of his index finger, having got it sliced in a fan as a child.
 

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This means it was a displaced/unstable fracture, so they had to open it, put it back into alignment and fix it with hardware - hence the “open reduction internal fixation”. This aligns the bone and allows it to heal but doesn’t make the healing any faster

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I don’t think he’ll be able to throw for about six weeks - he can simulate the throwing motion and keep his shoulder strong but probably at least 4-6 weeks until he is allowed to pick up a ball. Given that he wasn’t stretched out before, I doubt he’ll be good to go this year
He played catch yesterday. Does that accelerate his timeline for return? It’s 3 weeks since his injury. Possible that he’s back by the end of August?
 

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The goal at this point should be for the Sox to have Paxton and Sale fully up and running for 2023, as in, as healthy as they are ever going to be, "best shape of their careers" kind of readiness. To go into 2023 with those two guys healthy and ready to roll will be enormous for their rotation next year, because even if neither of them ever gets back to what they were at their very best, in the least they should be *good* major league pitchers, and this team needs as many good major league pitchers as possible.
 

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If there isn’t enough time to get him enough innings to be a starting pitcher then he should get one or two relief appearances in the minors and come up. He can fulfill a similar role to Whitlock (1-2 clean innings) and give Cora a much better option. Middle relief is our biggest weakness anyway, 4-6 innings a week from Sale in that role would be great.
 

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honest to God when I saw he was throwing I was going to start a "what injury does Sale suffer next" thread. I thought I had at least a week or 2 to do so. Joke's on me I guess.