Celtics vs Heat ECF Redux Discussion Thread
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They're not shooting 20% from 3 again. An average playoff performance from 3 by them and that's a 15-point win.
Tatum isn't scoring, what, 4 points in the entire second half, again.
If they play tonight's defense in G7, they will run the Heat out of the garden and chase them into the harbor. They will be fishing the corpses of Heat players out of the Charles River all of next week if we play defense on Monday like we did tonight. Pat Riley will light his hairspray-laden coifs on fire and be like Denethor flinging himself off the peaks of Minas Tirith, if we play defense Monday like we did tonight. Ron DeSantis may actually have Florida secede from the union. That's how good our defense was on Miami tonight.
Haven’t followed the coverage of Brogdon’s injury super closely - is there a chance he comes back for Game 7? For all his defensive and other issues they could use his three-point shooting.
Such a weird box score to look at. Tatum/Brown were 0-12 from 3, but 17-26 from 2 and got to the 25 times. Butler/Bam were 9-37, but had an insane 14 offensive rebounds and Jimmy went full Tatum @ Game 6 Philly at the end. Really hope this is an early killshot for Miami, I don't want anything to do with another close game against Jimmy Butler.
This team has a ton of spine. And we only find out because of the situations they put themselves in! That said, I think they'll come out rocking in Game 7. Heat won't turtle completely but they are bone tired and at some point the role players are not going to shoot 50+% from 3. Get the jump on them early and let the crowd do some work. Basically the Game 5 plan.
He can’t shoot at all it appears. If he went out there and PJ Tuckered it, that might help.
With Jaylen in foul trouble and Grant being absolutely horrible, Brogdon's offense was sorely missed. It's lucky TL was able to give them more good minutes in the 2nd half, or it would've been uglier.
Absolutely, although they may need to win the title (not just the series) for him to get that level of recognition.
He's turning back into a pumpkin. He played like complete garbage tonight and just barreled into people all 4th qtr for a FT parade. Put this collapse on his legacy right next to all the playoff jimmy bullshit and pulling up for that 3 last year.
The Heat, particularly Spo and Butler, are saying all of the right things after that loss…but it seems like they are trying to convince themselves.
Not only do you blow a 3-0 lead but you lose like that?! I just don’t think you can come back from that
Not only do you blow a 3-0 lead but you lose like that?! I just don’t think you can come back from that
Probably aware his legacy is about to be on the line, probably not something he expected after the run Miami has had.
Agree on both, but also....Jimmy Butler and Bam aren't shooting 5-21 and 4-16, respectively, again either.
It just seems like very fake Buddhist to me or something, I don’t know, opposing team, maybe I’m being harsh.
Definitely not THAT bad…but Jimmy and Bam both haven’t been good these last 3 games. They both look like they’re tired
It's a show, he's playing up to a character, but also... this team is loaded with guys who haven't really won before, he is trying to project calm and confidence. Also, he's very very much a weirdo.
He made some key plays down the stretch and had 8 AST. If they win this it's talked about much like Tatum's game 6 against PHI... guy can't buy a bucket but rebounds, passes, then turns it on late to seal the deal.
it’s a heartbreak loss for them, but they can also feel good about clawing back into it, hitting three super clutch free throws, and only losing on a buzzer beater putback. I think it would have been much worse for the Celtics to lose that one.
Celts got a very good whistle (in the fourth especially), so don’t take this the wrong way. But Butler absolutely double dribbled on that go ahead 3 point attempt he was fouled on. Would have been criminal to lose on that garbage attempt after really controlling the game most of the night. Credit the Heat for battling back when their two stars didn’t have it, but despite the Celtics making some bad mistakes down the stretch , still felt like they deserved this game (in my biased view!)
true, but odds are good the Heat won't shoot 14/30 from 3... if both teams revert to the mean on shooting it's good for Boston, because of the math problem. That the Celtics were on the wrong end of it in a huge way and won... well usually that means you outplayed your opponent.
This got my adrenaline right back to 100000.
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Does the nba do the last two minute report in the post season? Fascinated to know whether Butler should have been called for a double dribble. I think he gathers and loses the ball but have no idea how that is supposed to be called
AHEM @radsoxfan
Not sure why 85 year old Al is getting 31 minutes and playing like garbage end of game while Rob, who played great, got 17.
https://official.nba.com/2022-23-nba-officiating-last-two-minute-reports/
Not sure when it will go up though, not sure they release them on Sundays and Monday is a holiday.
"Is something wrong?"
"Of course there is."
"You're still alive."
"Do I deserve to be?"
"Is that the question?"
After breathing again, realizing they called the season saver play for Smart. Halfway down too.
No they didn’t. Mazz said in the press conference the primary option was Tatum but they doubled him.
Not sure how much of a double team he had but he was at half court with his momentum facing the wrong direction. A pass to him would've led to a pull up three five feet behind the line.
Smart set the screen for Brown. Looked like the play was to him as opposed to Tatum who just coasts to half court. After Smart set the screen the pass could've gone to Brown (back to the basket) or Smart for three
Maybe. Didn’t seem like a particularly great play either way although I guess Smart getting up a shot very quickly ended up paying major dividends.
That little time, all you're really looking for is a guy who can get the ball on the rim almost immediately and then you all crash.
It was the only reason he got a shot off.. he was trying to pull up and Al would have blocked a shot from there.. Al only got behind because the double dribble wasn't called and Butler was able to get ahead of him by two steps to get to the corner.
Smart set a bad screen on Bam which is why he had to cut to the ball.. if he sets a real screen on Bam then Brown gets the ball with a pretty open look..or a drive to the basket. The other option would have been for Brown to pass to White for a wide open three on the side or in the corner.. because I'm pretty sure his man completely left him to force the pass away from Tatum.. which is why Strus was late behind White to get the rebound.
Dream scenario: Win Game 7 and complete this comeback. I want to see Riley’s face when that happens. One last eff you.
BTW on the L2M, I rewatched the replay a bunch, I think it's going to be listed as an error on the challenge. Based on clock they call Horford for the bump on the body not on the shot, but they gave Jimmy continuation.... reasonable so far.... except.... Jimmy double dribbles before he shoots. By rule that violation makes the continuation not valid. So just a foul on the floor, which should have been 2 FTs not 3.
Why can that be considered if you can’t actually challenge the violation itself?
because that's what the rules say, once they open up the review there is a list of things they can consider as well.
https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2022/10/Official-Playing-Rules-2022-23-NBA-Season.pdf
page 60.
They could also just ignore the challenge and say the original call to allow continuation was incorrect.
He most definitely did double dribble. If the NBA wants to justify the foul call they can say that the foul was actually just before the double dribble (there is some contact right before Butler picks up the ball) but in that case they could only give him 2 shots - as that was before the shot. By giving Butler the 3 shots it seems to support the notion that they called the foul on his 3 pointer, but that means they completely missed the double dribble. Pretty horrific officiating and I’m not getting why they couldn’t have fixed their mistake when Mazz used his coach’s challenge..
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Because LOL MODERN NBA at calling a double dribble in a pivotal moment of the conference finals, even on replay.
Will definitely keep an eye out for the L2M.
Will definitely keep an eye out for the L2M.
The double dribble was at 3.8, but they called the foul on the gather at 3.0. I don't see how it should have been 2 shots as called. They could have called a foul before the double dribble, but I think that contact was deemed to be marginal and was not the foul called.
Jimmy Butler double dribbles with 3 seconds left in game 6 - and is rewarded with 3 free throws..
At the two second mark of this clip Jimmy clearly has both hands on the ball. To be clear, A dribble ends when a player either touches the ball with both hands simultaneously or permits the ball to come to rest in one or both hands. This clearly happens in this play - prior to the foul by Horford...
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In that case, shouldn't they just have waived off the shot all together and called it a double dribble?
Yeah they should have called it, but they didn't and the double dribble isn't reviewable.