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Would people feel a lot differently about Turner + McDermott than Turner + Lamb? Enough to swing from Nay to Yay?
 

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Would people feel a lot differently about Turner + McDermott than Turner + Lamb? Enough to swing from Nay to Yay?
Has Turner+Lamb been the rumored return? My God

I haven't even been thinking about what Boston would have to take in addition to Turner.
 

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LOL. I mean if they're not even willing to let go of Aaron Holiday that means that Pritchard's Take it or leave it!!! offer is Hayward and three #1s for Turner and Lamb.
 

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I mean the story does actually say that Indiana considers both guys untouchable. So it will still be hilarious when Pritchard screws this up despite Hayward literally moving to Indianapolis in preparation for being a Pacer.
 

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I mean the story does actually say that Indiana considers both guys untouchable. So it will still be hilarious when Pritchard screws this up despite Hayward literally moving to Indianapolis in preparation for being a Pacer.
Would you not be doing cartwheels for TJ Warren and Aaron Holiday? I think that's a heist for Hayward, all things considered. Much better than Myles Turner and Jeremy Lamb.

Someone else would have to coming too though, like Jeremy Lamb... or even Myles Turner. Warren and Holiday isn't enough salary wise.
 

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I mean everyone would like Warren and Aaron Holiday for Hayward. But the New York writer did say that the Pacers weren't interested in giving up either guy. Which means that Pritchard is holding steady to Boston fixing his payroll issues and giving him Hayward.
 

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Turner, Warren, Holiday for Hayward and Pritchard would work I think.

Or Langford instead of Pritchard. Pritchard would have no role at all with Holiday here though. That would be nuts. I'd guess Pritchard would go with Hayward in any deal regardless.
 

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I mean everyone would like Warren and Aaron Holiday for Hayward. But the New York writer did say that the Pacers weren't interested in giving up either guy. Which means that Pritchard is holding steady to Boston fixing his payroll issues and giving him Hayward.
I think the hope from here is crappy offers involving Turner eventually include picks too.
 

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I mean everyone would like Warren and Aaron Holiday for Hayward. But the New York writer did say that the Pacers weren't interested in giving up either guy. Which means that Pritchard is holding steady to Boston fixing his payroll issues and giving him Hayward.
As he should, I wouldn't make that deal if I was Atlanta. I wouldn't let Aaron Holiday stop me from acquiring Hayward either though.
 

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I think it can just be Turner now after the Kanter trade.
Kanter doesn't affect anything. It matters how much money Hayward makes.

I think the most Hayward could make on a new contract if just Turner comes back would start at 21.1M.

I think that's a little light for him
 

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As he should, I wouldn't make that deal if I was Atlanta. I wouldn't let Aaron Holiday stop me from acquiring Hayward either though.
If Hayward wants to sign with the Knicks, he's free to do so. I wish him well. If Pritchard wants to land a guy he literally can't sign, then he needs to trade for Gordo. Boston's doing him the favor, not the reverse.
 

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If Hayward wants to sign with the Knicks, he's free to do so. I wish him well. If Pritchard wants to land a guy he literally can't sign, then he needs to trade for Gordo. Boston's doing him the favor, not the reverse.
It's not a favor if it cost TJ Warren. If Holiday is the hold up, sure.

Also, if we can have TJ Warren with no Holiday, we should be making that trade. Aaron Holiday is a decent player but he shouldn't be holding up anything.
 

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Once again, this is Pritchard and Ainge. Shams and Woj and KOC and Moore et all can tweet the various permutations that are being sent to them by the two front-offices...er, sorry, I meant their official sources close to the organizations but the degree of difficulty to complete a deal like this is pretty high normally. With these two clubs its likely even more difficult.
 

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It's not a favor if it cost TJ Warren. If Holiday is the hold up, sure.

Also, if we can have TJ Warren with no Holiday, we should be making that trade. Aaron Holiday is a decent player but he shouldn't be holding up anything.
It's a favor if he really wants Hayward. If he doesn't he should just tell Gordo "Sorry, dude, when we told you a few months ago that we wanted to sign you we lied." I mean if these assets that he wants to trade are so awesome, surely he can get something worthwhile for them.
 

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It's a favor if he really wants Hayward. If he doesn't he should just tell Gordo "Sorry, dude, when we told you a few months ago that we wanted to sign you we lied." I mean if these assets that he wants to trade are so awesome, surely he can get something worthwhile for them.
Are you ok with TJ Warren if it comes attached to Myles Turner? Just Warren + Turner for Hayward?

I'm fine with Myles Turner so adding TJ Warren would make me ecstatic.
 

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Predicted that, though it was obvious with how the contracts added up.

Turner
Warren
Tatum
Brown
Walker

with Smart off the bench. Damn, man. Or Theis, with Turner off the bench if that's your thing.

I'd have put the chances of that happening at 0%. Here's hoping.
 

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Predicted that, though it was obvious with how the contracts added up.

Turner
Warren
Tatum
Brown
Walker

with Smart off the bench. Damn, man. Or Theis, with Turner off the bench if that's your thing.

I'd have put the chances of that happening at 0%. Here's hoping.
Turner and either Warren or Oladipo would be killer. That would be a nice holiday present.
 

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Turner and either Warren or Oladipo would be killer. That would be a nice holiday present.
I'm not sure who the better fit is or who I would pick. I think Oladipo, but I'd have a hard time passing on Warren. I kinda want Aaron Holiday in the deal now just because.
 

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fwiw, Oladipo + Turner doesn't actually work for Hayward unless he gets the max so something else would have to go back to Indiana. Turner and Oladipo add up to $39 mil. The C's don't really have the pieces to add. Langford, Semi, Carsen, would get them there.
 

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I'm not sure who the better fit is or who I would pick. I think Oladipo, but I'd have a hard time passing on Warren. I kinda want Aaron Holiday in the deal now just because.
Warren's is benefitting from serious helium due to his bubble run, but if you believe he is a good bet to match his season numbers from last year as a whole, you take that and run. Dipo is on the last year of his deal, coming off a significant injury, with only a single great season to his name. If he rebuilds his value, you can't pay him without killing the luxury tax. If he doesn't, we lose him and don't have enough cap room to sign anyone else - effectively just delaying this scenario by a year with little hope for a S&T.
 

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Warren's is benefitting from serious helium due to his bubble run, but if you believe he is a good bet to match his season numbers from last year as a whole, you take that and run. Dipo is on the last year of his deal, coming off a significant injury, with only a single great season to his name. If he rebuilds his value, you can't pay him without killing the luxury tax. If he doesn't, we lose him and don't have enough cap room to sign anyone else - effectively just delaying this scenario by a year with little hope for a S&T.
I said it earlier, but it wasn't just last year. He was great the previous year too, though in a limited season. I think the bubble run is actually causing people to overlook what he did prior to it.

Oladipo would get his value from being able to guard guys Tatum and Brown maybe couldn't, where as Warren doesn't really offer anything Tatum or Brown couldn't. I think both would fit in seamlessly though.
 

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If Danny gets Oladipo for a departing-anyway Hayward, I’ll build him a statue in my backyard.
 

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At this point, I'd love either Warren or Oladipo with Turner, but the preference has to be Warren (which is why I'm skeptical about how likely this outcome is). Warren's contract is just so affordable for the production he provides. Whether he gels with Tatum, Brown and the rest of the offense, I'm not sure, but I'd love to find out. 2 yrs/ 24 mil provides all kinds of value, on the court and with transactional flexibility should Ainge look to move Warren at any point.
 

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If Danny gets Oladipo for a departing-anyway Hayward, I’ll build him a statue in my backyard.
Yup. Oladipo would be a huge get. Imagine a close out line up Turner, Tatum, Brown, Oladipo, Smart.

Now I’ve gotten my hopes up...
 

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I'm no expert, but understand Oladipo never really returned to form after coming back from his significant injury. Maybe a matter of time, but also maybe he'll never be what he was.
 

Cesar Crespo

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I'm no expert, but understand Oladipo never really returned to form after coming back from his significant injury. Maybe a matter of time, but also maybe he'll never be what he was.
It hasn't been very long since he returned either. He returned on 1/29 and it takes awhile to get back to peak form.

The other thing about Oladipo is he's a FA after this year, so if something is off, there isn't really a commitment. Of course that works the other way too if he looks amazing. Warren has 2 years left.

I do worry about his 3 point shot but given the rest of the game, you live with it.
 

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I'm no expert, but understand Oladipo never really returned to form after coming back from his significant injury. Maybe a matter of time, but also maybe he'll never be what he was.
The same could be said for Hayward.