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The Hawks are deep now assuming they sign Bogdan.

Starters: Trae, Bogdan, Gallinari, John Collins, Clint Capela.

Bench: Rondo, Deandre Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Dunn, Okungwu, Tony Snell, Bembry.

Lots of speculation that they will try to trade JC since he wants a max.
I'm all for seeing if they get get something for Collins, since he seemingly thinks that he's a lot better than he is. But we're hardly in "Atlanta has a roster crunch" mode. If Bogdan steals someone's minutes, that's a good thing.
 

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I haven't watched Collins much, but his numbers are very impressive - 22 year old big man who just averaged 22 and 10 with incredibly efficient scoring (.659 TS%, 6th in the league, none of the guys in front of him create their own shot). Is this not the kind of guy you want to max out?
 

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I haven't watched Collins much, but his numbers are very impressive - 22 year old big man who just averaged 22 and 10 with incredibly efficient scoring (.659 TS%, 6th in the league, none of the guys in front of him create their own shot). Is this not the kind of guy you want to max out?
He grades out pretty poorly on defense and having bad defensive bigs is not ideal, especially when your point guard is a turnstile.
 

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Is he a poor defender due to a physical or mental shortcoming, or both? He's only 22, so maybe you can coach him up. He just shot 40% on 140+ 3PA and is an 80% FT shooter. That's a lot to like.
 

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Is he a poor defender due to a physical or mental shortcoming, or both? He's only 22, so maybe you can coach him up. He just shot 40% on 140+ 3PA and is an 80% FT shooter. That's a lot to like.
Yeah...I get that he's not the best fit with Young, but when your two best players are 21/22, play different positions and look like future all stars, you try to figure it out. Atlanta certainly won't get more talent back if they move him, I'd think they are still in the "accumulate talent" phase of their development. Worry about fit later.
 

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Is he a poor defender due to a physical or mental shortcoming, or both? He's only 22, so maybe you can coach him up. He just shot 40% on 140+ 3PA and is an 80% FT shooter. That's a lot to like.
He was a bad defender in college, and I get the sense that he’s seen by a lot of people as a “good stats on a bad team” guy, but yeah, I think he’s worth close enough to a max. Even if he never comes around on D, he’s on a trajectory to be an elite offensive player.
 

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He was a bad defender in college, and I get the sense that he’s seen by a lot of people as a “good stats on a bad team” guy, but yeah, I think he’s worth close enough to a max. Even if he never comes around on D, he’s on a trajectory to be an elite offensive player.
Yeah, at a glance he's the poor man's KAT. There's potentially something really special there, it seems odd to give it up so soon.
 

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Question from a relatively cap-naive Celtics fan who wouldn‘t mind seeing Bogdanovic in green:

Isn’t Sacramento incentivized to find a sign and trade right now? They can either let Bogdan head to Atlanta for nothing — or they can match, then send him to, say, Boston for Romeo and a pick (as some posters here have mentioned before Atlanta got into the mix).

If Boston can get Charlotte to S&T Hayward and create the trade exception, wouldn‘t it make a lot of sense for Sacramento to trade Bogdan to the Celtics rather than allow him to head to the Hawks? Assuming that Ainge wants him and Wyc is willing to pay him, of course.

(quick google searches don’t say anything about a matched RFA being an un-tradable asset, so I’m not sure if I’m missing something obvious)
 

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Yeah, at a glance he's the poor man's KAT. There's potentially something really special there, it seems odd to give it up so soon.
Poor man's KAT is spot on, but I wonder what KAT's perceived value around the league is right now. Crazily enough, I don't think it's what it was a couple years ago, despite averaging 25/11/4 with a 63 TS% and shooting over 40% on high volume threes over the past two years. There's definitely a perception that it's tough to win with leaky bigs, and it's hurt guys like Collins, or Toppin coming into the draft.
 

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Question from a relatively cap-naive Celtics fan who wouldn‘t mind seeing Bogdanovic in green:

Isn’t Sacramento incentivized to find a sign and trade right now? They can either let Bogdan head to Atlanta for nothing — or they can match, then send him to, say, Boston for Romeo and a pick (as some posters here have mentioned before Atlanta got into the mix).

If Boston can get Charlotte to S&T Hayward and create the trade exception, wouldn‘t it make a lot of sense for Sacramento to trade Bogdan to the Celtics rather than allow him to head to the Hawks? Assuming that Ainge wants him and Wyc is willing to pay him, of course.

(quick google searches don’t say anything about a matched RFA being an un-tradable asset, so I’m not sure if I’m missing something obvious)
Once the offer sheet is signed, Sacramento has only two options.

Don't match, and he's a Hawk
Match, and Sacramento isn't allowed to trade him for a year
 

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Question from a relatively cap-naive Celtics fan who wouldn‘t mind seeing Bogdanovic in green:

Isn’t Sacramento incentivized to find a sign and trade right now? They can either let Bogdan head to Atlanta for nothing — or they can match, then send him to, say, Boston for Romeo and a pick (as some posters here have mentioned before Atlanta got into the mix).

If Boston can get Charlotte to S&T Hayward and create the trade exception, wouldn‘t it make a lot of sense for Sacramento to trade Bogdan to the Celtics rather than allow him to head to the Hawks? Assuming that Ainge wants him and Wyc is willing to pay him, of course.

(quick google searches don’t say anything about a matched RFA being an un-tradable asset, so I’m not sure if I’m missing something obvious)
RFA's cannot be S&T to any team o\ once they sign an offer sheet:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm (#42).

Bogdanovic will either be in Atlanta or Sacramento next year, no other options
 

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Its worth so much to the Celtics and does so little harm to Charlotte that I can't believe they wont figure it out.

Who is a good target who might get moved in a salary dump? Or would it be better to just hang on to it?
 

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Its worth so much to the Celtics and does so little harm to Charlotte that I can't believe they wont figure it out.

Who is a good target who might get moved in a salary dump? Or would it be better to just hang on to it?
I don't think they would use it at the moment. Dumps already happened, no S&T targets. Probably wait until the deadline. Might even just wait until next year for a S&T then.
 

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Waiting until next year and avoiding the luxury tax this year makes a lot of sense for the Celtics long term. They are about to become perennial luxury tax payers next year when Tatum's new deal kicks in so staying under the threshold this year pushes the repeater penalty further down the road.
 

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The TPE from a Hayward S&T could come in handy at the trade deadline, where it is less likely to push them into luxury tax territory.
 

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Its worth so much to the Celtics and does so little harm to Charlotte that I can't believe they wont figure it out.
And the assumption is teams do this for each other--down the road Charlotte might need the help, and if they refuse to take a free asset from Boston, teams might be reluctant to help them out.
 

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The TPE from a Hayward S&T could come in handy at the trade deadline, where it is less likely to push them into luxury tax territory.
I didn't think it worked that way. When a player is acquired mid-year, doesn't his entire salary for the whole year count against the acquiring team's cap? The acquiring team only actually pays a prorated portion of his salary, but I think the entire yearly salary counts against the cap for the new team.
 

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I didn't think it worked that way. When a player is acquired mid-year, doesn't his entire salary for the whole year count against the acquiring team's cap? The acquiring team only actually pays a prorated portion of his salary, but I think the entire yearly salary counts against the cap for the new team.
Yeah, but with Hayward, Kanter, and Poirier outbound they’re losing over $40 million in ‘21 salary commitments, so they now have room to pick up someone using a TPE.
 

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Yeah, but with Hayward, Kanter, and Poirier outbound they’re losing over $40 million in ‘21 salary commitments, so they now have room to pick up someone using a TPE.
But depending on how big the TPE is, they probably won't be able to use the whole thing and stay under the luxury tax, right? They cleared the $40 million you mentioned but they were projected to be over the luxury tax if they didn't clear some salary. They also added TT and Teague.

If they do nothing else but sign their draft picks that will leave them about $15 million below the luxury tax (that's just an estimate, so correct me if I'm wrong) but the TPE could be $28 million. So they may be faced with a choice of adding a $15 million player at some point this year or a $28 million player next offseason (if they are trying to stay under the tax this year to delay the repeater penalty down the road). Am I missing something?
 

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I think the likely scenario for a TPE is holding it for either a star trade (where we'd almost certainly be sending out a bunch of players and picks) so you don't have to match, OR most likely... to make a hard run at a free agent next off-season via S&T.
 

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But depending on how big the TPE is, they probably won't be able to use the whole thing and stay under the luxury tax, right? They cleared the $40 million you mentioned but they were projected to be over the luxury tax if they didn't clear some salary. They also added TT and Teague.

If they do nothing else but sign their draft picks that will leave them about $15 million below the luxury tax (that's just an estimate, so correct me if I'm wrong) but the TPE could be $28 million. So they may be faced with a choice of adding a $15 million player at some point this year or a $28 million player next offseason (if they are trying to stay under the tax this year to delay the repeater penalty down the road). Am I missing something?
Couldn’t they also make other moves to shed salary and open up more space under the tax to use more of the TPE? For instance, dumping Thompson into someone else’s cap space or taking a small contract back, then using the TPE to take back closer to $24 million in salary in another deal.
 

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I think the likely scenario for a TPE is holding it for either a star trade (where we'd almost certainly be sending out a bunch of players and picks) so you don't have to match, OR most likely... to make a hard run at a free agent next off-season via S&T.
This seems right. Plan A is use it later. But Plan B goes into effect if a hugh difference maker materializes before that.
 

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I think the likely scenario for a TPE is holding it for either a star trade (where we'd almost certainly be sending out a bunch of players and picks) so you don't have to match, OR most likely... to make a hard run at a free agent next off-season via S&T.
Couldn’t they also make other moves to shed salary and open up more space under the tax to use more of the TPE? For instance, dumping Thompson into someone else’s cap space or taking a small contract back, then using the TPE to take back closer to $24 million in salary in another deal.
This is the part I was missing. There's no way they are adding a $28 million player mid-year and only giving up draft picks so current player salaries would be going the other way as well.
 

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This is the part I was missing. There's no way they are adding a $28 million player mid-year and only giving up draft picks so current player salaries would be going the other way as well.
And it's now nice to have TT's $10M or so on the books.
 

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Once the offer sheet is signed, Sacramento has only two options.

Don't match, and he's a Hawk
Match, and Sacramento isn't allowed to trade him for a year
I don't think this is correct.

If they match ATL offer sheet, they can trade him to anyone but ATL with his consent. In order to trade to ATL, they would have to wait a year
 

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I like running back the 2 ways. Get 2 years to evaluate these guys, and you're a lot closer to knowing if the project is going to work than only 1.
 

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I don't think this is correct.

If they match ATL offer sheet, they can trade him to anyone but ATL with his consent. In order to trade to ATL, they would have to wait a year
Yes. But since it's not a sign-and-trade, he's treated like he just signed a regular free agent contract.

So he's ineligible to be traded anywhere until February 6th. After that he can be traded, with his permission, anywhere but Atlanta.

The date is usually December 15th, but pushed back for this season.

The original question asked about Sacramento matching, then trading him right to Boston.