Beltran to the Yankees - 3 year deal
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Because Beltran isn't a SP, Closer, 2B, or 3B. Nor is he insurance for Jeter's inevitable breakdown. Having to rely on Brendan Ryan and Kelly Johnson more than they should is always a good thing.CGSO said:
Joe D Reid said:
I've read they are going to be working Wells out at Legends Suite Usher this spring.
Besides the fact that they now have more outfielders than there are rhythm guitarists in Lynyrd Skynyrd, and that their cumulative age is 836, this is a bad idea for another reason: Beltran is a quiet loner who hates the NY media bullshit. His stint with the Mess was a disaster.
What fun!
What fun!
As much as I'd like this to be true, he did sign with the Yankees. It's not like he was traded to them without his consent. If this is true, any undo pressure this causes is just fine with me.OilCanShotTupac said:
What happened to the Jeter as DH thought? Could they possibly have a starting lineup with Jeter at SS and Soriano at 2B? I'm giddy.
Has a team ever been assembled with so much declining talent? Seriously the entire team is made up of guys that you say "Wow they use to be good"
Panic move. I was also hoping the Yankees would sign Beltran. A 3-year deal is sweet!
Yankees gain 2 compensation picks: losing Cano and Granderson.
lost draft picks: Signing McCann, Ellsbury, and Beltran (the Yankees lose their first round pick and the 2 compensation picks for Cano and Granderson).
Kuroda was resigned. So, it is now set in stone, the Yankees earliest pick in the 2014 draft will be no earlier than the second round. If they sign another QO free agent, their earliest pick will be in the third round.
Cashman is too smart for this. The Steinbrenners must be getting involved with baseball operations.
Yankees gain 2 compensation picks: losing Cano and Granderson.
lost draft picks: Signing McCann, Ellsbury, and Beltran (the Yankees lose their first round pick and the 2 compensation picks for Cano and Granderson).
Kuroda was resigned. So, it is now set in stone, the Yankees earliest pick in the 2014 draft will be no earlier than the second round. If they sign another QO free agent, their earliest pick will be in the third round.
Cashman is too smart for this. The Steinbrenners must be getting involved with baseball operations.
Why are you assuming they are going to stop here? All signs are pointing to them acquiring every warm body they can.rembrat said:
I think they'd find a way to screw that up too and wind up with a frozen John Henry instead.Greg29fan said:
Yaz4Ever said:
He does, but he's only got a year left before Free Agency, so his value is limited. If he agrees to a reasonable long-term deal, his value will increase, but if he's intent on playing this year out and hitting the open market, who is going to give up much of value?
Well, other than Pettitte, Jeter, Rivera, and Williams - 2 Sure fire Hall of Famers, and two guys worthy of consideration.
Wingack said:
Well, I'm working under the assumption that they want to stay under 189 but if that no longer the case then you can almost pencil Tanaka as their #3 come April. Money to blow.
If you were him, would you agree to a reasonable long-term deal at this point? Everyone else is getting theirs, why not him? He's half the age of most of the guys they're signing lately.Ed Hillel said:
FanSinceBoggs said:
Someone said it on another thread: in 1995-1996, the Yankees produced a bunch of young stars that carried them to multiple titles, and they have spent every year since making sure that that never happens again.
OilCanShotTupac said:
It may have been a "disaster" with the media (I don't remember it, but maybe it was), but after a bad first year, Beltran was terrific as a Met. OPS+ by seasons as a Met: 97, 150, 125, 130, 144 and 109 in half a season (good enough to get them Wheeler in a trade).
I'm pretty sure this puts them within five million or so of the salary cap. So they can clear salary (no clue how), trade for a low salary starter, or blow through the cap and cost themselves tons of dough. Or do like a four man rotation.
Sort of surprised if they take themselves out of the Tanaka bidding, though maybe the new rules discouraged them since his salary is likely to be higher than expected.
Sort of surprised if they take themselves out of the Tanaka bidding, though maybe the new rules discouraged them since his salary is likely to be higher than expected.
At this point I'm expecting them to sign the frozen head of Ted Williams too.
7 yrs/ 250 million.
7 yrs/ 250 million.
so it is written, so it shall be, forevermore. and, verily, the multitudes rejoiceThe Gray Eagle said:
headed to bed with the schaudenfraude side of my brain reveling in Cano and Beltran, the non-schaudenfraude side gratefully welcoming back Napoli
Hoplite said:
If we are going to go small sample size on defensive statistics, I will see his "-1.5WAR in 2013" and raise you a "wow, he just robbed a grand slam!". He is getting older, but I don't think he is a -1.5 fielder going forward, and the year before he was a 0 fielder.
I think this is a good move for the Yankees as long as the other shoe drops (getting some value for one of their other outfielders, with Beltran making them better). His three year WAR trend is 4.5, 3.8, 2.4. He has lost a step, but I don't think expecting 2 WAR this year or calling his defense atrocious is an accurate picture.
He didn't fit the Red Sox perfectly, but I was hoping for him, and he isn't a perfect fit for the Yankees, but if they move another (inferior to Beltran) outfielder for pitching, then it is a good deal for them and adding a quality player who has established he doesn't wilt when the lights are brightest.
I will say that in a vacuum, the Beltran signing is a pretty good one. He can play RF in that ballpark for the next 3 years, he's a Hall of Fame talent switch hitter, and still has some gas in the tank. I don't relish facing him next year at all.
But in context, where they have collected so many old guys who make so much money, it's kind of funny. I mean Beltran will play well for them next year, but they will also have to pay Vernon Wells' contract after they cut him and also pay Suzuki to sit on the bench, and also gave up a high draft pick. And they do this on the day they let Cano walk to the Mariners!
But in context, where they have collected so many old guys who make so much money, it's kind of funny. I mean Beltran will play well for them next year, but they will also have to pay Vernon Wells' contract after they cut him and also pay Suzuki to sit on the bench, and also gave up a high draft pick. And they do this on the day they let Cano walk to the Mariners!
So the starting OF is Gardner, Ells, and Beltran with Soriano primarily at DH (but Beltran seeing time there) and Ichiro and Wells as sunk cost? Does Wells even make the roster in that scenario?
I wonder how much of the Beltran move was to screw the Mariners. There was talk of Seattle signing him. With Granderson going to the Mets, there aren't many big bats left, just Choo and Cruz.
Cano is going to be a big fish in a little pond for at least his first year.
Cano is going to be a big fish in a little pond for at least his first year.
koufax37 said:
It's not an issue of sample size. Over the last five years he's had a -20.1 UZR in right field. Beltran looked painfully slow in the World Series. Even Manny would rob home runs from time to time, that doesn't mean he wasn't a terrible fielder.
My guess is that Cashman signed this deal without his bosses' approval as a big fuck you for forcing Ellsbury and McCann on him. This makes zero sense unless they have a big trade lined up. This team needs pitching and all they've done so far is overpay for three position players- two of which play positions at which they already had a decent player. I have no idea what's going on over there.
rembrat said:
Ichiro will be the 4th OFer. Soriano in LF, Beltran in RF, Gardner packaged with one of the C prospects for a SP'er.
I'm wondering if Beltran as the DH to keep him healthy, with Soriano in RF doesn't make more sense. Gardner would stay in LF. If you've got two bad RFers, might as well put the more brittle one at DH. Ichiro and Wells can be...um...well...ok, I have no fucking idea. Gardner as trade bait pairs a bad defensive OF with a questionable pitching staff (assuming Gardner brings someone worthwhile as a part of a package). Gardner staying leaves two OFers with less than zero trade value who have to be moved, who might bring back a starter who doesn't have leprosy at best.
This sounds about right. Adds offense over what Ichiro would provide. Yankee Stadium RF isn't too bad, and if Gardner isn't traded, he and Ellsbury can cover a lot of ground. Beltran will be ok in RF.SemperFidelisSox said:
Another deal I don't much care for, but I'm not tore up about it. Beltran is old, but he can still hit right now. Projecting three years out for him is easier than 10 years out for Cano.
koufax37 said:
So his WAR has gone:
4.5 -> 3.8 -> 2.4
(0.7 decrease -> 1.4 decrease)
But you see another 0.4 decrease from this year to next year, a year he will be 37 in the first month of, as an inaccurate prediction?
EDIT: BRef has his WAR as 3.5 -> 3.8 -> 2.4, FG has it as 4.3 -> 3.3 -> 2.0, so, unless I'm missing something, not sure where the 4.5 came from.