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Joe Maddon has taken to batting the pitcher in the 8 spot in his NL park lineups.

2-2 against the Cubs in the 8th at Wrigley, wearing the most hideously ridiculously throwbacks
 

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Kershaw wins again. 8 innings, 1 run, 6 hits, 100 pitches. Great for anyone else, just a decent game for him.  14-2, 1.78 ERA for the season.
 
Dodgers are now 4.5 games up on SF.
 

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Maddon decides to pitch to Rizzo in the 12th inning with 0 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd and first base open ( Castro on deck). Rizzo wins the game with a hit to the gap in right center. IBB is the conventional move there. ..
 

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Maddon decides to pitch to Rizzo in the 12th inning with 0 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd and first base open ( Castro on deck). Rizzo wins the game with a hit to the gap in right center. IBB is the conventional move there. ..
There was a lefty (Ramos) on the mound, and he was the 7th pitcher in the game for the Rays, so I don't know if they had anyone else warming up. I guess he thought there was a better chance of getting a K from that matchup than trying to get a double-play ball from Castro against a lefty.
 
Regardless, the Rays deserved to lose just for wearing those ridiculous faux-throwback uniforms.
 

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The Royals are just a half game behind the Tigers.  The Tigers could find themselves completely out of the playoffs.  Go Royals!  
I don't dislike the Tigers.... but is it bad that I would rather see David Price miss the playoffs than the Yankees?
 

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I don't dislike the Tigers.... but is it bad that I would rather see David Price miss the playoffs than the Yankees?
 
The Yankees postseason odds are down to 11.3% per Baseball Prospectus, let's hope for both of those results.  Tigers still have a 71% chance of making the playoffs, but that has fallen by 15% in the past week.
 

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I don't dislike the Tigers.... but is it bad that I would rather see David Price miss the playoffs than the Yankees?
I kind of want to see Detroit get in because I feel like an ALCS between them and Oakland would be awesome. I don't know if they'd line up to face one another, but Lester vs Price is a cool match-up to think about.
 

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I kind of want to see Detroit get in because I feel like an ALCS between them and Oakland would be awesome. I don't know if they'd line up to face one another, but Lester vs Price is a cool match-up to think about.
It is, but Detroit always seems to have Oakland's number in the playoffs. For that reason, I'd like to see them miss it. 
 

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About a 5 minute review on a blocking the plate play in which Giants Gregor Blanco was initially called out at the plate (easily). New York ruled in favor of the Giants on the Buster Posey rule (overturned, safe). Now another review on where the runners still on the bases should be. Just one minute on the second one. 
 
And the Giants add on. 5 - 1. Good on Jake Peavy. He finally gets some run support.
 

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Harrelson could be in for a suspension...
 
 
Ventura wasn't alone in his implosion. The Sox went on to allow six more runs in the inning.
"This rule is B.S., that's what it is. Pure, simple B.S," Ken "Hawk" Harrelson called on the WGN television broadcast after the tying run score. "It's not baseball!"
After the Giants took a 5-1 lead, Harrelson was downright angry.
"Next thing you know we'll have catchers wearing skirts out there," Harrelson growled.
http://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/13/6000279/robin-ventura-umpire-argument-kick-dirt-white-sox-giants
 

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Hmmm, looks to me like Posey was inside the lines (i.e. off the baseline) before receiving the ball, while Flowers had his calf draped across it.  If that is the intent of the rule than I can see why the calls were different.
 
Also, doesn't replay go to a center in New York or something?  How is blowing up at the umpire on the field going to accomplish anything other than make Ventura look silly for yelling at a guy who really had nothing to do with the call?
 

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Dunn basically knocking the ball out of his CF's glove for a two-run, three-base error for Sandoval was also noteworthy. 
 
Bradley's season has us all meditating on the value of outfield defense, and, uh, Dunn is something else out there. 
 

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I would say Posey was right on the line, while Flowers' heel was over the line when he caught the ball.  It's probably a difference of 4-6 inches of where the foot is. You could make a case that neither were giving the runner a direct line to the base, as even Posey forced the runner to slide outside of the base and try to reach in.  The point is, it's pretty tough in that scenario to expect a catcher to jump up, get in position to receive the throw, and also look to make sure his foot isn't a couple of inches over an imaginary line (as the baseline doesn't extend into the batter's box.  It's one thing to completely block the plate without the ball, it's another thing to have the ball before the runner has begun his slide but the runner is either safe or out due to his heel being 6 inches out of place. I think they are going to have to review that rule in the offseason, it's gotten to the point where every single play at the plate is being reviewed even if the guy is out by 15 feet.
 
As for blowing up at the umpire, managers have been doing it for 100 years even when they know it's not going to change the call. It's more about the manager blowing off steam than him yelling at who actually made the call.
 

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OK, that shows it a bit better, but it also makes it look like Posey gave more of a lane because the White Sox runner is running 3 feet outside the line trying to slide around a tag while the Giants runner is running inside the line.  If the White Sox guy is running where the Giants runner is, does Posey get called for blocking the plate?
 

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OK, that shows it a bit better, but it also makes it look like Posey gave more of a lane because the White Sox runner is running 3 feet outside the line trying to slide around a tag while the Giants runner is running inside the line.  If the White Sox guy is running where the Giants runner is, does Posey get called for blocking the plate?
I don't think so.
 
The runner in the Posey shot is running to the outside because that is the lane Posey gave him. If he runs to the inside and goes through Posey he is called out regardless of what happens with the ball.
 
Looking from 3B to the plate on both shots you would be able to see almost exactly half the plate in the Posey shot, and none of it in the Flowers shot. I think that is really all it boils down to.
 

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I rolled the Flowers video forward slightly from when the above shot was taken, to just after Flowers has caught the ball, and he's moved his foot to where Posey's is (exposing about a third of the base. In this case, it probably isn't enough as Blanco is about to start his slide, but if Blanco was more to the outside or further from the plate, maybe he doesn't get the call.
 
Speaking of that, I wonder how long the catcher has to provide the lane. If, for example, Blanco had been 30 or 40 feet away when Flowers caught the ball as he did, with his foot blocking the plate, then shifted to give Blanco a lane when he is still 20 feet away, is that long enough? Or is blocking the plate off completely at any point the runner is coming down the line illegal? I honestly don't know at this point.
 
I guess I'd like to see the rule modified so the "fair" result comes out of the play. In the case of the 2 plays above, the throw beat both guys by a mile, and neither really had a chance to be safe regardless of where the catcher is set up. If it's a closer play and the runner didn't have a lane to the plate, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to him and call him safe, but I hate seeing a guy given a run on a play like today where he's clearly out under the old rules. Not sure if what I've described can be translated into a written rule, but I'm guessing we see some tweaks over the next season or two to give better guidance to the catcher, runner, and umpires.
 

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I was under the impression that you were allowed to block the lane in order to position yourself to receive the baseball. Is that totally off base?
 
EDIT: Actually, I suppose the call shows that I was indeed under the wrong impression. 
 

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so what do we think of the Play at the plate in the WAS/NYM game? looks like he should have been called safe
 

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I was REALLY hoping I could find Hawk's call on MLB.com. Unfortunately, I could not find it. Anyone have any ideas where to find the video? I did find this: 
https://vine.co/v/MYHTzDj6d6z
Enjoy:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v35336521

A couple of highlights.
"..This rule is BS. Pure and simple BS..."
"It's not basebawl...it's just not BASEBAWL.."
"...it's just like some of the things they are trying to do in football. What are they going to do? Make that a little girls game?"

What a monumental dickhead that guy is.
 

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Lowrielicious said:
Enjoy:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v35336521

A couple of highlights.
"..This rule is BS. Pure and simple BS..."
"It's not basebawl...it's just not BASEBAWL.."
"...it's just like some of the things they are trying to do in football. What are they going to do? Make that a little girls game?"

What a monumental dickhead that guy is.
CSN Bay Area did import Hawk's tirade into their postgame show (same as above). I didn't think he was that bad. He probably skates (don't think he'll get anything except maybe a slap on the wrist). It's like South Park gets away with scenes nobody else would, unless Hawk has some history of broadcasting violations, I doubt he gets even a fine. The rule as it stands is mickey mouse, and like Bochy said, they'll probably tweak it in the upcoming offseason. I've heard this opinion that they will tweak it a few times.
 
Actually, has the Hawk been reprimanded for his tirades before?
 

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He's gotten reprimanded by the league office a couple of times for calling out umpires. He's probably OK on this one becaus he criticized the rule rather than the umpires, but I'm betting they have a word with him over the sexist stuff.
 

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Nice win for the Royals, with the Tigers win already on the board and trailing Oakland 3-2, they put up a five spot for the lead, then held on as the A's tried to rally in the ninth
 

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SD was screwed on a play at the plate. They need to change the rule ASAP