People keep saying this, but I just don't understand the logic behind it. He's due $61 million from 2015-17.Rudy Pemberton said:It's difficult to imagine him playing again
People keep saying this, but I just don't understand the logic behind it. He's due $61 million from 2015-17.Rudy Pemberton said:It's difficult to imagine him playing again
SemperFidelisSox said:While holding up a 'Jeter Sucks' sign.
I don't think he'll walk away either. I could maybe see him try to get a substantial buyout, assuming such things are even possible under the CBA.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:People keep saying this, but I just don't understand the logic behind it. He's due $61 million from 2015-17.
yep said:
Yeah, as I understand it, when you are represented by something like a collective bargaining agreement that governs dispute resolution, courts are not likely to intervene unless you can show something like:
- The CBA itself was somehow crooked, illegal, unconscionable, or otherwise unenforceable in a large-scale sense, or;
- The arbitration-process was demonstrably illegal or in really gross violation of the governing agreement (like, really bad), or;
- You or your case are not actually governed by the arbitration process according to the terms of the agreement.
Arod would have, I think, a very tough sell to convince anyone that either the CBA is some kind of unconscionable violation of his rights, or that his case is not governed by it, or that the arbitration process in this case was somehow a flagrant violation of the CBA process.
I am fairly certain that he WON'T get the courts to intervene on the basis that the outcome was unfair, that he was punished more harshly than others, that MLB has a vendetta against him, or even on the basis of factual innocence.
1) The arbitrator:
(i) Exceeded his or her authority; or
(ii) Was biased; or
(iii) Denied the excepting party a fair hearing; or
It's a guaranteed contract. Why would he accept anything less than the full amount?EvilEmpire said:I don't think he'll walk away either. I could maybe see him try to get a substantial buyout, assuming such things are even possible under the CBA.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:People keep saying this, but I just don't understand the logic behind it. He's due $61 million from 2015-17.
Because he might be able to get most of it for doing nothing and might want to move on with his life. I don't think it is likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:It's a guaranteed contract. Why would he accept anything less than the full amount?
I guess, but I would bet that he'll do whatever he can to get back on the field. Prove the haters wrong. He's a delusional guy. He undoubtedly believes that he can still get to 700 homers.EvilEmpire said:Because he might be able to get most of it for doing nothing and might want to move on with his life. I don't think it is likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.
EvilEmpire said:Because he might be able to get most of it for doing nothing and might want to move on with his life. I don't think it is likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.
60 Minutes reveals details in MLB's doping case against Alex Rodriguez, including text messages from MLB's star witness, who says that he injected him with banned substances
60 Minutes will offer the first look at the details in the doping case of Yankee slugger Alex Rodriguez, including interviews with Major League Baseball's chief witness against him, Anthony Bosch - who says he injected Rodriguez with banned substances - and the league's COO Rob Manfred. Scott Pelley's report will be broadcast Sunday, Jan. 12 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
-He personally delivered banned substances, including testosterone, insulin-like growth factor 1 and human growth hormone to Rodriguez at least a dozen times and Rodriguez paid him $12,000 a month in cash.
-He personally injected Rodriguez because "Alex is scared of needles, so at times, he would ask me to inject."
-Rodriguez's mission was to hit 800 home runs and that the Yankee slugger asked him for what he gave MLB superstar Manny Ramirez, a former Bosch client
-Text messages obtained by 60 Minutes between him and Rodriguez indicate that at times they communicated daily about the substances the slugger took on his "protocol"
-Says Rodriguez associates intimidated him to try to prevent him from cooperating with MLB in its investigation of the Yankee third baseman.
MLB's Manfred tells Pelley that he believes the threats Bosch says he received could be legitimate. "The concerns seemed credible, particularly given that he identified individuals that we had our own concerns about."
Pressed by Pelley that the security and legal fee arrangement is plenty of incentive for Bosch to lie, potentially undermining his credibility, Manfred responds, "The credibility of any witness is determined by … looking the individual in the eye, listening to the story he tells and then lining it up with the other evidence," he tells Pelley. "And frankly, nobody came in and contradicted what Mr. Bosch said."
soxhop411 said:Says Rodriguez associates intimidated him to try to prevent him from cooperating with MLB in its investigation of the Yankee third baseman.
Papelbon's Poutine said:It's not. You keep throwing it out there but again don't back it up. There is literally nothing that suggests they could accelerate it. Just stop.
(ii) If a Club terminates a multi-year Uniform Player’s Contract
while it remains obligated to pay Salary under either this
Agreement or a Special Covenant to the Contract, Salary shall be
allocated to that Club for each Contract Year during which its
obligation continues. Salary shall be attributed to each such Contract
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luckiestman said:Im a Yankee fan, this is probably good for the Yankees, but I hate this entire steroids witch hunt nonsense. Now, we have the rat getting his fame on 60 minutes.
Sampo Gida said:
Horowitz release was certainly timely, wasn't it?.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:People keep saying this, but I just don't understand the logic behind it. He's due $61 million from 2015-17.
Rudy Pemberton said:I can understand why A-Rod would want to come back, but why in the world would the Yankees want him on their team in 2015?
Yeah I agree with this.Rudy Pemberton said:I could certainly envision a scenario where the Yankees simply release A-Rod and / or engage in some kind of battle to try to recoup some of that money. He's old, a huge negative for their brand, and a distraction, and they don't want him hitting any of those milestones which will trigger even more compensation (and surpassing some of the records held by Yankee greats). I can understand why A-Rod would want to come back, but why in the world would the Yankees want him on their team in 2015? At this point, seems like the definition of sunk cost.
They could spend some more money and get better production. Or all of the stuff Rudy said, like they don't want him around, he's a distraction, and he may earn even more money with the HR bonuses.terrisus said:
They're paying him regardless, and he doesn't have a negative WAR?
Kay has too many annoying qualities to list here but that's John Sterling's signature call.Fred in Lynn said:The whole stuttering "Yankees win!" cry clinches it for Kay. Can anyone summarize the context of what Kay said today?
soxhop411 said:
jon abbey said:
I think you have this flipped, presumably 60 Minutes has had this in the can and has been waiting for the verdict to broadcast it.
Rudy Pemberton said:I agree that getting any kind of relief is extremely unlikely to happen, but writing off $61M is probably a wise business decision, especially since with 6 HR they'll be on the hook for $6M mor (assuming that marketing agreement ceases to exist if he's not on the MFY, but not sure). It's a pretty small amount for the Yankees to pay to make him disappear in the grand scheme of things.
Then again, this saga has been so bizarre that nothing would really surprise me. A-Rod being in jail, dead, on the Marlins, or hitting HR for the Yankees in '15- would any of those options shock anyone?
Pretty funny to see that they owe him $3M of his signing bonus in 4 days.
Rudy Pemberton said:I agree that getting any kind of relief is extremely unlikely to happen, but writing off $61M is probably a wise business decision, especially since with 6 HR they'll be on the hook for $6M mor (assuming that marketing agreement ceases to exist if he's not on the MFY, but not sure). It's a pretty small amount for the Yankees to pay to make him disappear in the grand scheme of things.
Then again, this saga has been so bizarre that nothing would really surprise me. A-Rod being in jail, dead, on the Marlins, or hitting HR for the Yankees in '15- would any of those options shock anyone?
Pretty funny to see that they owe him $3M of his signing bonus in 4 days.
This is actually the right answer. We should all recall that ARod ended up on the Yankees only after the MLBPA would not let him restructure his contract (and reduce his total payout) so he could go to Boston.TomRicardo said:The MLBPA will not let him take a buyout. The Yankee's can DFA after next season and eat the money. That is their only recourse outside of playing him.
:rolling:snowmanny said:This is actually the right answer. We should all recall that ARod ended up on the Yankees only after the MLBPA would not let him restructure his contract (and reduce his total payout) so he could go to Boston.
SemperFidelisSox said:While holding up a 'Jeter Sucks' sign.
I feel like I am hearing all this in voices of some characters from Portlandia in an alternative bookstore.Rudy Pemberton said:I agree that getting any kind of relief is extremely unlikely to happen, but writing off $61M is probably a wise business decision, especially since with 6 HR they'll be on the hook for $6M mor (assuming that marketing agreement ceases to exist if he's not on the MFY, but not sure). It's a pretty small amount for the Yankees to pay to make him disappear in the grand scheme of things.
Then again, this saga has been so bizarre that nothing would really surprise me. A-Rod being in jail, dead, on the Marlins, or hitting HR for the Yankees in '15- would any of those options shock anyone?
Pretty funny to see that they owe him $3M of his signing bonus in 4 days.
EvilEmpire said:If it happens it will be because ARod wants out and makes an offer. If more details come out about the evidence MLB has and that the arbitrator considered, and those details are bad, and people believe them, he'll know (if he doesn't already) that he has no shot at the HoF and that all his numbers are considered tainted. Maybe he'll thrive on all the hate, but I wouldn't be shocked if his motivation to play isn't so strong, especially if can still get most of his pay without having to deal with it.
Pete Williams said:Can anyone find out whether the Yankees are clear of the $6 million bonuses for HR's if they release him now? If I'm the Yankees and I don't have pay those bonuses if he goes to another team, I release him now and shut down the circus.
The Yankees will not make any final decisions about their course of action until speaking with the commissioner's office about the loophole in the suspension rules.
"These are uncharted waters," one official said.
...
Technically, according to sources, Rodriguez is allowed to train at the club's facility during spring training because his discipline for violating the Joint Drug Agreement covers the regular season and the postseason, not the preseason.
Since Rodriguez is not on the Yankees' 40-man roster because of the suspension, one official said that would give the Yankees the right to send him to workouts with minor leaguers instead of Derek Jeter, Mark Teixeira and the rest of his big-league contemporaries.
One official said the Yankees could go as far as to have Rodriguez on the minor league side but instruct their coaches to basically ignore him -- to not hit him grounders or throw him batting practice.
Wouldn't put it past him as a guy who relishes the attention but he could show up and immediately be sent across the street. Not a chance he sees the MLB complex.EvilEmpire said:ESPN reports that the Yankees can relegate ARod to the minor league facility if they want to avoid some of the distraction.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10282537/new-york-yankees-relegate-alex-rodriguez-spring-training
EvilEmpire said:ESPN reports that the Yankees can relegate ARod to the minor league facility if they want to avoid some of the distraction.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10282537/new-york-yankees-relegate-alex-rodriguez-spring-training
Brohamer of the Gods said:Any clarification on the wire report that:
"In Rodriguez's only partial victory, Horowitz ruled he is entitled to 21-183rds, or about 11.5 percent, of his salary this year, a person familiar with the decision said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the decision was not made public. That comes to $2,868,852.46. Baseball’s drug agreement says the amount of lost pay shall match number of regular-season games suspended, regardless of days over the season, which is 183 days this year."
I assume that would count towards the cap.