People keep saying this, but I just don't understand the logic behind it. He's due $61 million from 2015-17.Rudy Pemberton said:
Arb Ruling 162 Games for ARod
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It's a push, I think...
The whole stuttering "Yankees win!" cry clinches it for Kay. Can anyone summarize the context of what Kay said today?
I don't think he'll walk away either. I could maybe see him try to get a substantial buyout, assuming such things are even possible under the CBA.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
yep said:
His best argument is to challenge the arbitrators decision to not have Bud Selig testify. Bud is the one who set the sentence and has testified in the past.
The appeal could claim the arbitrator (bolded in quotes)
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=b3f1274ca5c0553fed142c739dfe9b9b&rgn=div8&view=text&node=5:3.0.8.7.13.0.48.6&idno=5
It's a guaranteed contract. Why would he accept anything less than the full amount?EvilEmpire said:
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
Yeah, but if he could deliver on his HR bonuses he could get 12 million more. Also, he is unlikely to be much more than a 1.5 WAR player after a year off so what are you losing. 9 million a year in production? That 61 million is already a sunk cost, might as well cut bait. Maybe someway to get the 27.5 million AAV off the books for 2016-2017 if he is paid off in a lump sum. Not sure that's possible though
Because he might be able to get most of it for doing nothing and might want to move on with his life. I don't think it is likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
I guess, but I would bet that he'll do whatever he can to get back on the field. Prove the haters wrong. He's a delusional guy. He undoubtedly believes that he can still get to 700 homers.EvilEmpire said:
EvilEmpire said:
He came back last year while the appeal was going on.
He says he's coming to spring training this year.
There have been literally no signs at all that he just wants to get out of it, do nothing, and move on with his life.
I think Arod will do anything he can to play baseball some more. He is very interested in money, but that money is a symbol to him, as it is to many, of his worth, of how he's doing. It's not enough now. It's hard to understand his using PEDs except in the context of always wanting MORE.
soxhop411 said:
And people question why Rodriguez was given a different suspension length than the other players.
Again, if Rodriguez doesn't do anything and just admitted to what he did, he would have had the same suspension everyone else did, which would have been over by now.
He clearly did plenty more than the other people did though.
This sucks for the Red Sox given that it frees up money for those insufferable pukes, but A-Rod is such a villain. It's hard for me to be disappointed when he gets bitch slapped.
The Yankees would be insane to allow him to come to Spring Training. What a circus that would be.
The Yankees would be insane to allow him to come to Spring Training. What a circus that would be.
Im a Yankee fan, this is probably good for the Yankees, but I hate this entire steroids witch hunt nonsense. Now, we have the rat getting his fame on 60 minutes.
As much as I dislike Rodriguez the player, I hope he wins in court. If Selig had people fucking up a federal investigation, tampering with evidence by having it stolen out of someone's car, and even seducing a potential witness (no shit, page 3 http://nymag.com/news/sports/alex-rodriguez-2013-12/ ) then I hope the court case goes as far as possible.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
I was throwing it out there as more of a question, hoping someone would come back with something definitive, like this
So that ends that as a possibility.
luckiestman said:
Horowitz release was certainly timely, wasn't it?.
Bought testimony is always suspect, but it should be entertaining.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
The people saying he'll never take the field again, etc, are either delusional or wishful Yankees fans, somehow thinking that things like shame, pride and common decency will somehow arrange a graceful end to all this. That either the Yankees or Arod will decide that something more important than money is a good enough reason for him to not take the field.
To which the simple answer is: think about how much money your department at work makes. Probably not a whole lot more than $61 million. Now imagine your reaction if someone said they were closing down your department, because really, it would be kind of embarrassing not to, after what happened last year. Don't think that Team Arod has significantly fewer people who would be put out of work than your department. Even rich people are still human beings, and even Arod still pays the same price for a Big Mac, and knows what $61MM is worth.
I guess it will come down to whether or not they don't want him around enough to pay him $61 million to stay away.
There is no way in hell they'll get any relief for any of that money. He has a guaranteed contract, and he'll have served his suspension. They're on the hook.
There is no way in hell they'll get any relief for any of that money. He has a guaranteed contract, and he'll have served his suspension. They're on the hook.
Yeah I agree with this.Rudy Pemberton said:
They could spend some more money and get better production. Or all of the stuff Rudy said, like they don't want him around, he's a distraction, and he may earn even more money with the HR bonuses.terrisus said:
Kay has too many annoying qualities to list here but that's John Sterling's signature call.Fred in Lynn said:
"There's a strike."
soxhop411 said:
Much of that had been leaked, but then we have to consider the source, which is a guy whose testimony is bought and paid for. And even if its all true, there is nothing there that justifies 162 games IMO.
The intimidation is troubling, but can Arod be held accountable for the actions of his "associates" .
jon abbey said:
Pretty sure CBS does not want to go up against the NFC Championship game next week. This is perfect timing to maximize ratings.
Rudy Pemberton said:
In a year he will be a 40 year old player coming off a one year ban, His OPS was declining pretty steadily before this, so I think optimistically, you are looking at a 750 OPS DH, and I would guess factoring the missed year, his projections would be much closer to 700 OPS than 750. Then add in the sideshow element
They have to walk away from that. If ARod would want to sue to get the HR bonuses, I think he would lose, and the Yankees could make the case, that cutting him was simply a baseball decision, and he simply isn't going to be good enough to fill a role
Rudy Pemberton said:
I can't see AROD agreeing to any sort of buyout. He wants to chase records, and I think he would prefer to do it for the Yankees on the big stage. I think he knows that it's unlikely that any contender (if anyone at all) would sign him post buyout.
The MLBPA will not let him take a buyout. The Yankee's can DFA after next season and eat the money. That is their only recourse outside of playing him.
I feel like I am hearing all this in voices of some characters from Portlandia in an alternative bookstore.Rudy Pemberton said:
The likelihood of Team A-Rod agreeing to go quietly into that good night in exchange for a salary payout is approximately zero point zero. The Yankees will be lucky if he doesn't show up to the first post-suspension meeting in a superman costume, with his lawyers dressed as NYY-themed Batman and Robin.
If it happens it will be because ARod wants out and makes an offer. If more details come out about the evidence MLB has and that the arbitrator considered, and those details are bad, and people believe them, he'll know (if he doesn't already) that he has no shot at the HoF and that all his numbers are considered tainted. Maybe he'll thrive on all the hate, but I wouldn't be shocked if his motivation to play isn't so strong, especially if can still get most of his pay without having to deal with it.
Buyout is probably the wrong term too. He'd retire and the Yankees would still pay him whatever was agreed upon. I don't think the PA would (or could) influence that. I think all of this is extremely unlikely, but that there is still more than a 0.0% chance.
Otherwise I think the Yankees will play everything straight -- they're probably happy enough with luxury tax relief this year and will treat ARod just like any other player returning from suspension when the punishment is over. If he has anything left in the tank, he might even get some playing time. I don't think they'll release him.
Buyout is probably the wrong term too. He'd retire and the Yankees would still pay him whatever was agreed upon. I don't think the PA would (or could) influence that. I think all of this is extremely unlikely, but that there is still more than a 0.0% chance.
Otherwise I think the Yankees will play everything straight -- they're probably happy enough with luxury tax relief this year and will treat ARod just like any other player returning from suspension when the punishment is over. If he has anything left in the tank, he might even get some playing time. I don't think they'll release him.
EvilEmpire said:
Maybe it's just me, but I think that ship has already sailed. Bonds can't get above 40% in HoF voting, and he's (a) got a much better HoF case than ARod statistically, and (b) at least can make the quasi-legitimate argument that technically, the Cream and the Clear weren't officially defined as steroids until the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 2004 (not that this really matters, but might sway the kind of person who would be swayed by seeing more direct evidence against ARod). Now that it's clear it's not just a 'voters didn't vote for Bonds/Clemens in year 1 on the ballot as punishment' issue, unless the HoF completely changes the way they do voting I don't see any way ARod can get 35% of voters to vote for him that wouldn't vote for Bonds.
Can anyone find out whether the Yankees are clear of the $6 million bonuses for HR's if they release him now? If I'm the Yankees and I don't have pay those bonuses if he goes to another team, I release him now and shut down the circus.
As a Sox fan I'm hoping he causes them as much headaches as possible. But he does deserve every last minute he gets. He's a liar, a cheat, a roider and the fact that he acts all indignant about it burns my ass. I was overjoyed when the Sox didn't get him in 2004. Hated him when he was with the M's.
However IF the Yanks are smart, they'd pull the plug and don't look back. Its worth the lost money.
However IF the Yanks are smart, they'd pull the plug and don't look back. Its worth the lost money.
Pete Williams said:
If they release him now, they don't get the salary relief from the suspension
ESPN reports that the Yankees can relegate ARod to the minor league facility if they want to avoid some of the distraction.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10282537/new-york-yankees-relegate-alex-rodriguez-spring-training
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10282537/new-york-yankees-relegate-alex-rodriguez-spring-training
Any clarification on the wire report that:
"In Rodriguez's only partial victory, Horowitz ruled he is entitled to 21-183rds, or about 11.5 percent, of his salary this year, a person familiar with the decision said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the decision was not made public. That comes to $2,868,852.46. Baseball’s drug agreement says the amount of lost pay shall match number of regular-season games suspended, regardless of days over the season, which is 183 days this year."
I assume that would count towards the cap.
"In Rodriguez's only partial victory, Horowitz ruled he is entitled to 21-183rds, or about 11.5 percent, of his salary this year, a person familiar with the decision said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the decision was not made public. That comes to $2,868,852.46. Baseball’s drug agreement says the amount of lost pay shall match number of regular-season games suspended, regardless of days over the season, which is 183 days this year."
I assume that would count towards the cap.
Wouldn't put it past him as a guy who relishes the attention but he could show up and immediately be sent across the street. Not a chance he sees the MLB complex.EvilEmpire said:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/stark_jayson/id/10283024/unlikely-alex-rodriguez-spring-training-mlb
Brohamer of the Gods said:
Got a link for that? Because this is the first I've heard of it, and it makes no sense.
Baseball players are paid during the season, and when they are suspended, they lose salary for the games they miss as a percentage of the total. This would be the first time I have ever heard that a player would be paid a proportional salary for days off when he is barred from games. Baffling if true.
Edit: OK, I see the same report. Not confirmed, so I don't know if I buy it.
Did we know Bosch was giving drugs to Manny?
Kinda bullshit that they show him in a Red Sox uniform for drugs he supposedly took in '08-09.
Kinda bullshit that they show him in a Red Sox uniform for drugs he supposedly took in '08-09.