Apple rumored to stop using Intel chips by 2020

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That M1 Max might be the most badass off-the-shelf system ever put on sale in America.

And they killed the touch bar and added ports. Huzzah!

I've been waiting for the 27" iMac to replace my ancient one but I might just grab the new Pro and find a monitor for it and call it a a day.
 

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I've been waiting for this one for a while. No touchbar is phenomenal. The touchbar fucking sucks.

I just ordered one. Can't wait.

I have the 13 inch M1 MacBook Pro and it is really nice, zippy, and the battery is tremendous. But it's too small for work. This will suit me quite well.
 

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The macbooks only went on sale less than an hour ago and now delivery in DEC!



Apple is going to be making a shit load of money on this
 

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The macbooks only went on sale less than an hour ago and now delivery in DEC!



Apple is going to be making a shit load of money on this
I ordered mine pretty quickly. I have a October 26th to November 2nd delivery window. Just beat the rush, I was lucky.
 

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The macbooks only went on sale less than an hour ago and now delivery in DEC!



Apple is going to be making a shit load of money on this
Wow and yup!

On the one hand it's pretty lame that they have to market the fact that they brought back basic features that people liked and took away things that people hated, but then again at least they did it. A touch of humility.
 

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I ordered mine pretty quickly. I have a October 26th to November 2nd delivery window. Just beat the rush, I was lucky.
same...
Wow and yup!

On the one hand it's pretty lame that they have to market the fact that they brought back basic features that people liked and took away things that people hated, but then again at least they did it. A touch of humility.
I think its less the legacy ports and more the apple chip
 

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I have an old 2015 Air, which is getting slow and the battery is really going. I was planning on getting a new Air when they came out. I don't do anything heavy duty on it. Are they putting out a new Air, or should I just go with a 14 inch Macbook Pro?
 

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The chip features a single-core score of 1749 and a multi-core score of 11542, which offers double the multi-core performance of the ‌M1‌ chip that's in the 13-inch MacBook Pro machine.

Based on these numbers, the ‌M1‌ Max outperforms all Mac chips with the exception of the Mac Pro and iMac models equipped with Intel's high-end 16 to 24-core Xeon chips. The 11542 multi-core score is on par with the late 2019 ‌Mac Pro‌ that is equipped with a 12-core Intel Xeon W-3235.

The machine with the chip in question is running macOS 12.4, which we have seen in our analytics, but it's worth noting that we can't confirm with 100 percent certainty that this is an authentic ‌M1‌ Max chip. Geekbench's John Poole said that the processor frequency looked weirdly low, but that the performance scores appear to be in line with what we'd expect to see from a 10-core ‌M1‌ chip.
first Geekbench scores
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/first-apparent-geekbench-score-surfaces-for-macbook-pro-m1-max-with-2x-faster-multi-core-performance-compared-to-m1.2317653/
 

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I have an old 2015 Air, which is getting slow and the battery is really going. I was planning on getting a new Air when they came out. I don't do anything heavy duty on it. Are they putting out a new Air, or should I just go with a 14 inch Macbook Pro?
The new M1 Air released a few months ago would work fine for you.
 

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You can buy adapters to plug into the USB C ports. But, of course, that is something else to have to carry around and it costs more money.
I didn’t realize USB-3 interfaces even existed anymore that weren’t USBC. I really don’t fault apple for including obe at this point.
 

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What exactly does the camera notch do? It's doesn't have faceID or a physical lens. Is it just a design bone to appease Tim Apple?
 

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I've been busy today so haven't looked but don't the USB-C ports support USB 2, 3, 3.1 and 4? I know my 16" MBP supports USB-3.1 I haven't checked the ARM based ones though.
Yes, the tech is backward compatible, but the physical connectors are different. Apple was attempting to make the ports more usable with this new release by bringing back the SD slot and HDMI port so people don't have to worry about dongles, but not putting at least 1 USB 3 slot seems like a huge miss.
 

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Yes, the tech is backward compatible, but the physical connectors are different. Apple was attempting to make the ports more usable with this new release by bringing back the SD slot and HDMI port so people don't have to worry about dongles, but not putting at least 1 USB 3 slot seems like a huge miss.
I think the issue is that the case is physically too narrow for a USB-A port
 

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Yes, the tech is backward compatible, but the physical connectors are different. Apple was attempting to make the ports more usable with this new release by bringing back the SD slot and HDMI port so people don't have to worry about dongles, but not putting at least 1 USB 3 slot seems like a huge miss.
Cant you just buy a USB-C to USB-3 cable? That’s what I do for my lightening devices I use a USB-C to Lightening cable.
 

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Had a lot of trouble finding my floppy to usb c converter.
I ran into a client who’s still running a token ring yesterday . Don’t think a new M1 Max is going to work there. It’s amazing how old Some of the tech on the manufacturing side / ICS side.
They asked if I knew any antivirus that supported Windows NT 4.0
 

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USB-A is hardly old tech, it's not like it's a serial or parallel port or even firewire port. Almost every iPhone lightning cable out there is USB-A. Every wired keyboard and mouse are pretty much USB-A. Nearly every thumb drive out there is USB-A. External hard drives, optical drives, etc. The list goes on and on. It is ridiculous that a portable computer requires someone to carry around a dongle or three. What is even more maddening is that Apple acknowledged it erred in the past by stripping their Macbooks of all ports except for USB-C, which is why the restored some ports on the new model. Yet they neglected what is probably the most common connector out there that is still widely used.
 

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Eh, it's always a balancing act - right now I'd rather have 4 USB-C ports than lose one to an SD card slot, to be honest

The HDMI thing I think they just guessed wrong and thought it would be phased out in favor of thunderbolt/USB-C, and at least finally admitted they were wrong there

This has me more tempted than I expected... though admittedly some of that may be the fact that I've already had the keyboard on this 2017 MB fully replaced once, and I'm starting to get key repeating again
 
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I’m looking to get my daughter (college student in January) a new computer. What do people think of the 16” size? Is there a concern that it’s too big to easily carry around?
 

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I’m looking to get my daughter (college student in January) a new computer. What do people think of the 16” size? Is there a concern that it’s too big to easily carry around?
It isn't too big to carry around, in my opinion.

I currently have the 2019 MB Pro. It's not big, so it will fit into any bag. And while it's not MacBook Air light, it isn't a brick, either. Any knapsack will hold it fine.

If cost isn't the issue, this is a phenomenal, portable computer.
 

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I’m looking to get my daughter (college student in January) a new computer. What do people think of the 16” size? Is there a concern that it’s too big to easily carry around?
For a college student, who will likely have to carry it around all day, I think it is too big. It’s 4.7 pounds. I’d get an M1 MacBook Air instead (unless she‘s in a program with specific laptop requirements). The MacBook Air is only 2.8 pounds.
 

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For a college student, who will likely have to carry it around all day, I think it is too big. It’s 4.7 pounds. I’d get an M1 MacBook Air instead (unless she‘s in a program with specific laptop requirements). The MacBook Air is only 2.8 pounds.
I couldn't find any requirements for her school (Case Western Biomed Engineering) but I did ask her to research it. I also need to get a computer for my wife. Is there any concern about the screen size and font size for someone who is older? Not sure how easy it is to adjust the type size for a Mac. I had a Surface Pro 3 and have found that at times, it was hard to read the text. Maybe that's because of Windows poor scaling?
 

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I couldn't find any requirements for her school (Case Western Biomed Engineering) but I did ask her to research it. I also need to get a computer for my wife. Is there any concern about the screen size and font size for someone who is older? Not sure how easy it is to adjust the type size for a Mac. I had a Surface Pro 3 and have found that at times, it was hard to read the text. Maybe that's because of Windows poor scaling?
I know that at both of the colleges my kids attend, engineering students are required to have Windows laptops. I'd definitely check with the school before buying a Mac. As for screen/font size, I have no problems using a 13 inch MacBook Air in normal resolution, but I also wear glasses with a computer distance prescription when I'm using my laptop.
 

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Microsoft Surface devices (including Surface Laptops and Surface Pros) have excellent magnetic connections on par with the old MagSafe, with the additional ability to charge with a USB-C charger if you happen to be around one. It wouldn't surprise me if future MacBooks will have the same flexibility.

The new M1 iMacs will make fantastic quarantine/hybrid/work from home computers for people who are on lots of video calls and don't travel too much. That said, a combination of an M1 MacBook Air, a large screen monitor, a good webcam, and a decent microphone is in the same price range, and gives far greater flexibility. And I expect late-2021 MacBooks to up their game on the webcam and microphone front.
The return of MagSafe and improved webcam/microphone are easy predictions that came true.. but they are *my* easy predictions :)

What exactly does the camera notch do? It's doesn't have faceID or a physical lens. Is it just a design bone to appease Tim Apple?
The notch fits in the center of the Mac menubar, which is mostly wasted space. It's more than a design bone - it shrinks the bezels and allows for more real-world screen size in the same area.
 

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The return of MagSafe and improved webcam/microphone are easy predictions that came true.. but they are *my* easy predictions :)



The notch fits in the center of the Mac menubar, which is mostly wasted space. It's more than a design bone - it shrinks the bezels and allows for more real-world screen size in the same area.
I don't get people's obsession against the notch on the iPhone or the new MacBooks. In an ideal world we'd all have a camera under the screen that just worked and we didn't have it, but give me a small bezel all day any day. Especially for something as stupid as the middle of the menu bar.
 

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For a college student, who will likely have to carry it around all day, I think it is too big. It’s 4.7 pounds. I’d get an M1 MacBook Air instead (unless she‘s in a program with specific laptop requirements). The MacBook Air is only 2.8 pounds.
I think I'd concur here. It's a size (slightly smaller) similar to my old 2012 Macbook Pro Retina, but a little heftier (4.7/4.8 to 4.46), and my old unit feels pretty chunky to carry around. It's not as brutal as some of the old-timey bricks I've had to lug around for work, but if the specs of the Air are sufficient for the student's needs (and most of the time they are plenty) i that might be a more comfortable choice.
 

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I think I'd concur here. It's a size (slightly smaller) similar to my old 2012 Macbook Pro Retina, but a little heftier (4.7/4.8 to 4.46), and my old unit feels pretty chunky to carry around. It's not as brutal as some of the old-timey bricks I've had to lug around for work, but if the specs of the Air are sufficient for the student's needs (and most of the time they are plenty) i that might be a more comfortable choice.
Or the 14" Pro, which is only 3.5lbs.
 

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Note to anyone who bought the new Pro. Make sure you update and install any important new apps. I was disappointed at how slow google chrome was. Then I installed the "for apple silicon" version off the google website and it's like entering a new galaxy fast.
 

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I couldn't find any requirements for her school (Case Western Biomed Engineering) but I did ask her to research it. I also need to get a computer for my wife. Is there any concern about the screen size and font size for someone who is older? Not sure how easy it is to adjust the type size for a Mac. I had a Surface Pro 3 and have found that at times, it was hard to read the text. Maybe that's because of Windows poor scaling?

Any course requirement for Microsoft Project can tip school recommendations towards Windows machines over Macs. Workarounds if you dare.
 

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I'm looking at these M1 MacBook Pros with a little bit of regret -- last year I bought one of the 16" Intel MacBook Pros after I started working from home during the pandemic. At the same time, I sold my 2013 15" MBP and thought I did pretty well on the resale value for a computer that old (7 years old, originally ~$2,400, sold for $700).

I expect that this machine should also last me at least 7+ years with no problem (i9, 32GB ram, 2TB), but by the time I'm ready for my next upgrade, Apple will probably be close to dropping support for Intel models, and my current machine might not have much resale value. So would you hold on to this computer for the duration of its useful life, or trade it in now while it still has decent resale value, eat the loss, and buy an M1 model?
 

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The M1 Max is psychotically fast. Trade the Intel one is while its resale value is high.
 

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What kind of battery life are people getting with the M1 chip. Is it close to what Apple says in their specs?
 

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What kind of battery life are people getting with the M1 chip. Is it close to what Apple says in their specs?
I have last year's 13in MBP with the (now base level) M1 chip.

Yes. It's absolutely incredible. Light years beyond any laptop I've ever used previously.