Analysis of Celtics Games (2020-2021)

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Didn't Time Lord play well, with his customary athleticism, in his most recent game? I don't remember him going down with an injury.
 

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It didn't have to happen in game.
Strip club?

He played to the end of the Portland game, had one day off and then was ruled out the following day due to swelling behind his knee. It sounds more like an overuse injury rather than the result of one specific incident.
 

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Interesting. I hadn't heard about the 85% threshold. I don't know what the benefits for the team are from hitting that threshold, but you'd think there could be a lot of peer pressure if the benefits are significant.
 

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Interesting. I hadn't heard about the 85% threshold. I don't know what the benefits for the team are from hitting that threshold, but you'd think there could be a lot of peer pressure if the benefits are significant.
MLB has the same 85% rule.

The benefits are a less restrictive clubhouse and environment in particular. That would likely be something the guys on the team are looking forward to.
 

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MLB has the same 85% rule.

The benefits are a less restrictive clubhouse and environment in particular. That would likely be something the guys on the team are looking forward to.
I blame Kyrie. Somehow someway this has to be on him.
 

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Wouldnt that be Illegal?
No, unless an individual's refusal to is based upon a disability or religious belief. Choosing to be unvaccinated does not put you in a protected class. Though it wouldn't shock me if a few deeply red states make it so (notwithstanding their general hostility to outlawing discrimination.)
 
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No, unless an individual's refusal to is based upon a disability or religious belief. Choosing to be unvaccinated does not put you in a protected class. Though it wouldn't shock me if a few deeply red states make it so (notwithstanding their general hostility to outlawing discrimination.)
Which anyone can claim to not be forced to take the shot if they didn’t choose to take one. So it would effectively be illegal.
 

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Which anyone can claim to not be forced to take the shot if they didn’t choose to take one. So it would effectively be illegal.
Religious grounds don't really work that way. Courts are pretty broad, but they do have to have some basis, you can't just decide you have a religious objection at the time of the request, you'd probably have to show that you belonged to a group and that the objection was part of the teachings. So if say you were a Christian Scientist it's easy it's a key tenant. If you belong to a church that has a position, pretty straightforward. If you're a Catholic.... much harder path.
 

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Didn't Time Lord play well, with his customary athleticism, in his most recent game? I don't remember him going down with an injury.
If I remember correctly there was something structurally wrong with the left knee to begin with, which is why he plummeted on draft night. Put another way, his future is probably a guy that's going to be really useful 50-60 games per year.
 

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It's legal to require immunization (all hospitals, medical practices, nursing homes etc. require Hep B and MMR for example) but you have to make allowances for those with a disability or religious objection and it may not be legal to ask if you are immunized or not. You have to demonstrate that the question is important to the employees health, the other employees health and the nature of the business. It would be hard to fit a basketball team into the this is important to the health of our customers box.). Then you run into the fact that the vaccine is under an emergency use ticket instead of full FDA approval. Then you run into the fact that it is difficult to get employees in some fields (like nursing homes) and the last thing you want to do is lose a bunch of employees all at once.
So most places are using incentives to try to get their employees to comply right now, even the military. I expect that when the FDA does the full approval the hammer will come down and the school, military and medical fields will all start requiring the vaccine.
 

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It's legal to require immunization (all hospitals, medical practices, nursing homes etc. require Hep B and MMR for example) but you have to make allowances for those with a disability or religious objection and it may not be legal to ask if you are immunized or not. You have to demonstrate that the question is important to the employees health, the other employees health and the nature of the business. It would be hard to fit a basketball team into the this is important to the health of our customers box.). Then you run into the fact that the vaccine is under an emergency use ticket instead of full FDA approval. Then you run into the fact that it is difficult to get employees in some fields (like nursing homes) and the last thing you want to do is lose a bunch of employees all at once.
So most places are using incentives to try to get their employees to comply right now, even the military. I expect that when the FDA does the full approval the hammer will come down and the school, military and medical fields will all start requiring the vaccine.
In addition you also have the players unions surely supporting their players rights. The organizations don’t want to go down this road.
 

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This probably should be moved to the NBA COVID impact thread, but again - I'm a little surprised peer pressure hasn't motivated them all to get the shot. I mean that in the sense that if you see most people doing something, it normalizes it and makes it seem like you should be doing it, too. When you add in that your opting out means that someone else has to stay in their room when you travel (or whatever the implication is) I think the holdouts will likely come around. I'm especially surprised at the staff - you'd think there'd be a lot of pressure on them. Unless of course someone has a legit medical concern, which do exist for some people.
 

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If I remember correctly there was something structurally wrong with the left knee to begin with, which is why he plummeted on draft night. Put another way, his future is probably a guy that's going to be really useful 50-60 games per year.
Your memory is incorrect. TL has Popliteal artery entrapment syndrome, which is a vascular condition. He has it in both legs. It's not a huge deal if treated, which I assume the Cs are doing.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/boston-celtics-rookie-robert-williams-has-artery-condition-in-both-of-his-legs/
 

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Interesting and surprising factoid from Celtics Blog:

"It’s possible these high turnover blemishes are just the product of the Celtics’ renewed commitment to ball movement. For what it’s worth, here’s a fun fact: when the Celtics turn the ball over 13 or fewer times in a game, they’re 8-11; they’re 5-1 in games where they’ve given up 20+ TO’s. So as frustrating as a couple of errant passes can be, they might just be a case of taking the good with the bad."

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/4/24/22400612/parquet-plays-turnovers-turnovers-and-more-turnovers-lowlight-loss-in-brooklyn-nets-boston-celtics
 

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That's good news. Not Williams being out, but everyone else being good to go.
Yes, and Charlotte is missing Hayward, Monk and Ball. C's need to take care of business against the Hornets today in Charlotte and Wednesday nite in Boston.
 

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If Williams comes back next game (and they're making it sound like he will), we might have our first fully healthy roster of the season. I'm salivating!
 

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Analysis: Stick a fork in this team. Nice little run in most of April, finally get their guys back (except Rob), and... lay down for Charlotte.

Season prediction: Play-in game loss, by a margin of >10 points.
 

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Analysis: Stick a fork in this team. Nice little run in most of April, finally get their guys back (except Rob), and... lay down for Charlotte.

Season prediction: Play-in game loss, by a margin of >10 points.
Ha, just 2 weeks ago you were saying I overreacted by saying the Wolves win was an awful effort ;)

Anyway, mostly agree. I'll wait until the end of the season for the post-mortem, and there's still time to turn it around, but it's not looking good.
 

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Analysis: Stick a fork in this team. Nice little run in most of April, finally get their guys back (except Rob), and... lay down for Charlotte.

Season prediction: Play-in game loss, by a margin of >10 points.
They're 3 games ahead of IND; Ii doubt they hit the 9th seed so they'll need 2 losses to be bounced, don't they?
 

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They're 3 games ahead of IND; Ii doubt they hit the 9th seed so they'll need 2 losses to be bounced, don't they?
I still think they will reach (at least) the 5th seed and win in the 1st round before going out in 6 games in the 2nd.

But, and the main reason why today was so disappointing, the Celtics need to get to the 5th seed or it’s a 1st round loss. I have 0 faith in Boston beating any of the top 3 (Brooklyn, Philly, Milwaukee)
 

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I mean this isn't news to anyone but it's kind of amazing how many possessions a game that the Cs just throw away - either through carelessness or bad decisions.

If you think about it, it's kind of amazing that the Cs are as good as they are all things considered.
 

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For being a great player Tatum still doesn't really understand the importance of pace on offense, the effect of the 24-second clock, and giving a defense 3-4 extra seconds to set their defense in the halfcourt.

Or maybe Brad should do a better job of stressing this outside of press conferences?
 

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Does that mean Rob is in? There are only 11 games left, so the chance of everyone being healthy and the Celtics getting meaningful full-strength reps is seemingly low. Hopefully everyone is available for at least the last 5 or so games. It's going to be a first round exit regardless if they don't overtake the Hawks for the fifth seed, but maybe they'd be able to make it somewhat interesting if fully healthy.
 

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Does that mean Rob is in? There are only 11 games left, so the chance of everyone being healthy and the Celtics getting meaningful full-strength reps is seemingly low. Hopefully everyone is available for at least the last 5 or so games. It's going to be a first round exit regardless if they don't overtake the Hawks for the fifth seed, but maybe they'd be able to make it somewhat interesting if fully healthy.
Time Lord is listed as questionable on the injury report, so he could be a game-day scratch.
 

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Down 3, 30.8 seconds left, and they intentionally foul once OKC gets it over the halfcourt (28 seconds left at that point). Wouldn't the smart play be to try to get a stop and keep it a one possession game instead of conceding the free throws and making it a five point game?
 

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Down 3, 30.8 seconds left, and they intentionally foul once OKC gets it over the halfcourt (28 seconds left at that point). Wouldn't the smart play be to try to get a stop and keep it a one possession game instead of conceding the free throws and making it a five point game?
Absolutely.
 

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If they are allowed to keep bombing 3s while going 11/49 and do not hustle to rebound or prevent transition buckets off misses... it doesn’t really matter if Kemba sits another game or not.