Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots

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How do you give this guy bail?  The state laid out quite a bit of evidence already.  You have to consider that they are still holding some cards in their hand.  The defense team is passionate in their appeal.  Hard to believe that they'll get it but...
 

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Sultan arguing that there is no evidence of any motive, other than "Lloyd talked to the wrong people."
 
Given what has come out the past 24 hours he might regret that argument.  
 

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Valek123 said:
Every time I think this has taken it's last turn for the worst it continues to sink below expectations, I can't imagine how I would feel if I snagged that Hernandez jersey for my son at the last Pat's game vs the Fish last season... No damn way I'd let him wear that, just a startling reminder of how much our loyalty as fans is tied to the laundry not the people wearing it.  Sad days for sports imo...
I'm sure the jersey will be big on "the street".  
 

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Judge: "circumstantial or not, the prosecution has a very very strong case"
 

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He's the Sultan of swing-and-miss in this hearing!
 
Yeah, I know the deck was stacked against him but this wasn't the strongest performance.  
 
Judge also commented that the Commonwealth has "a circumstantial, but a very strong circumstantial case."  
 

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Why even bother trying to get bail?
 It justifies their enormous salary.  Even now after the judge rendered her decision you can hear his Lawyers objecting.   It reminds me of the Demi Moore character in "A Few Good Men". - "Your Honor, I strenuously object!"
 

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This was a pointless hearing.  There was no way he'd be getting bail especially considering the means he has to flee plus he's also being investigated in another homicide.  It basically was a couple hours of time outside jail for Hernandez.
 

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Of course now they're showing Hernandez" fiance all upset.  If the Lawyers were truthful and candid with her she should have realized this was a huge longshot.
 

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Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but is it possible Hernandez told his girlfriend of the original double-murder, she told her sister (LLoyd's girlfriend), and she in turn told Lloyd?
 

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He has another apartment in Franklin where police found shells and other evidence, he got into an altercation at the club the night of the double homicide, the guns, the body, etc. This guy is just fucking incredible. Hope the four hours outside the gates were fun, big guy.
 

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I assume they have ballistics and cell phone records for the double murder, too. Evidence that never would have mattered before, because there was no gun or cell phone to track. But now...
 

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Corsi said:
Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but is it possible Hernandez told his girlfriend of the original double-murder, she told her sister (LLoyd's girlfriend), and she in turn told Lloyd?
 
Or he could have been there.
 

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strek1 said:
Of course now they're showing Hernandez" fiance all upset.  If the Lawyers were truthful and candid with her she should have realized this was a huge longshot.
 
You don't know that they didn't.  The father of her child, and the man that she probably assumed would help her out financially for life,  is probably going away forever.  There's no way she's even begun to process this thoroughly and rationally yet.
 

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He has another apartment in Franklin where police found shells and other evidence, he got into an altercation at the club the night of the double homicide, the guns, the body, etc. This guy is just fucking incredible. Hope the four hours outside the gates were fun, big guy.
 
Where is this coming from?
 

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Caspir said:
He has another apartment in Franklin where police found shells and other evidence, he got into an altercation at the club the night of the double homicide, the guns, the body, etc. This guy is just fucking incredible. Hope the four hours outside the gates were fun, big guy.
 
Also:

 
Prosecutor: Search warrant of Hummer registered to AH. Inside console was clip to 45 caliber gun
 
https://twitter.com/PetesWire/status/350318159984734208
 

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What is wrong with those people cheering Hernandez as they drive him away?????  Sick
 

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You don't know that they didn't.  The father of her child, and the man that she probably assumed would help her out financially for life,  is probably going away forever.  There's no way she's even begun to process this thoroughly and rationally yet.
She's obviously not intelligent enough to process any of this considering she lived with this monster.  Reality really setting in.  She's gonna find out she probably isn't the "only one" either.
 

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Even though bail was a longshot what is the downside of appealing the original decision?  You are talking about the difference between spending the next year (or however long until trial) in your McMansion in North Attleboro or in the Bristol County House of Corrections.  It was a longshot but if you are the defendant it is one you absolutely take a shot at.
 

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A full account of the evidence against Hernandez.  I didn't put this together, found on Reddit -- http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1h6euh/full_account_of_the_evidence_against_hernandez/
 
It's just damn impressive and too good not to share here.
 
The charges:
  •     Murder
  •     Carrying a firearm without a license
  •     Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
  •     Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2
The evidence:
  •     Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
  •     5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
  •     Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
  •     Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
  •     Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
  •     Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
  •     Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
  •     Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
  •     The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
  •     A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
  •     hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
  •     Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
  •     at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
  •     9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
  •     9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"
  •     The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
  •     Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
  •     the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
  •     the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
  •     at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
  •     Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
  •     They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
  •     during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
  •     he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
  •     At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
  •     at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
  •     at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
  •     Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
  •     between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
  •     cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
  •     Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
  •     Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
  •     autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
  •     two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
  •     at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
  •     they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
  •     all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
  •     later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
  •     one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
  •     He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
  •     At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
  •     Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
  •     Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
  •     They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
  •     The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
  •     further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
  •     Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
  •     Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
  •     the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.
 

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mauidano said:
She's obviously not intelligent enough to process any of this considering she lived with this monster.  Reality really setting in.  She's gonna find out she probably isn't the "only one" either.
 
Just, wow.
 

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What if we are looking at this all wrong?  We now know that Hernandez has been questioned in several murders over the last 5 or so years, and accused of shooting at least one more.
 
What if the guy that we are all assuming is a bumbling, essentially good-natured pot head who has made some bad choices and been swept up in crazy circumstances is actually a calculating, cold-blooded motherfucker who was absolutely involved in everything he was suspected of but has been smart enough to make sure that none of it sticks?

Maybe he is just a Bulger-like character who is just so driven and bad-ass that he has managed to run a ruthless criminal enterprise as well as maintain a successful football career at the same time.  Maybe his old life didn't catch up to him, because it wasn't his "old" life at all.

My version is more fun, and supported by about the same amount of factual evidence as any other supposition.  I almost have a responsibility to post this on twitter.
 
Who would have thought this post by pokey_reese in the "Aaron Hernandez questioned by police..." thread would have been the closest thing to the truth? Well done. :bravo:
 

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Who would have thought this post by pokey_reese in the "Aaron Hernandez questioned by police..." thread would have been the closest thing to the truth? Well done. :bravo:
I'm good with this until we get to the comparison to Whitey. What seems clear is that however much experience Hernandez had killing people, he had a lot less when it came to covering it up. He obviously cared enough to try -- but that's about it.[/quote]
 

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Look at the Crip sign you posted and then look at the picture of Hernandez. In the Crip hand sign the thumb and index finger don't touch creating a 'c'. If you look at Hernandez's forefinger and thumb they are touching creating a lower case 'b' which is a the one handed sign representing Bloods. Both gangs have one handed and two handed signs.
 
While it could still be revisionist history and just Hernandez messing around, what he is doing (clothing, hand sign) would definitely be perceived as him representing Bloods to another gang member. Also as far as I can see from the a quick google search, the majority of gangs in CT are "blood affiliated"
 
I love that you've been lurking for more than a year and your first post is on gang signs and making sure we get them right.
 
You're kinda like SoSH's gang ombudsman.
 

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Orange Juice said:
Look at the Crip sign you posted and then look at the picture of Hernandez. In the Crip hand sign the thumb and index finger don't touch creating a 'c'. If you look at Hernandez's forefinger and thumb they are touching creating a lower case 'b' which is a the one handed sign representing Bloods. Both gangs have one handed and two handed signs.
 
While it could still be revisionist history and just Hernandez messing around, what he is doing (clothing, hand sign) would definitely be perceived as him representing Bloods to another gang member. Also as far as I can see from the a quick google search, the majority of gangs in CT are "blood affiliated"
If the gang sign does not fit, you must acquit.  Trust me on this one.
--Orange Juice(or OJ for short)
 

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during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him.
 
Hmm...says who?
 

between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshot
Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
 
He killed someone 2 minutes from his house.  Two minutes.  I mean, we had heard this, but still...2 minutes.
 

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Is there any chance that he killed those guys to prevent them from telling other people about a previous homicide?
 
 

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 At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away
 
Is it SOP to throw away shell casings?  Seems like this might be something you notate somewhere.
 

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moly99 said:
If this is true, would Hernandez be the first professional athlete/serial killer?
 
A serial killer does it for psychological reasons.
 
AH was a thug.
 

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Is it SOP to throw away shell casings?  Seems like this might be something you notate somewhere.
 
Yeah, it is SOP. Go to any gun range, you'll see a bucket with hundreds of them in there. Most likely a rental car place would think it just rolled out of the cuff of someone's jeans or something. A shell casing is just refuse, not evidence of a crime that has been committed per se. 
 

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Orange Juice said:
Look at the Crip sign you posted and then look at the picture of Hernandez. In the Crip hand sign the thumb and index finger don't touch creating a 'c'. If you look at Hernandez's forefinger and thumb they are touching creating a lower case 'b' which is a the one handed sign representing Bloods. Both gangs have one handed and two handed signs.
 
While it could still be revisionist history and just Hernandez messing around, what he is doing (clothing, hand sign) would definitely be perceived as him representing Bloods to another gang member. Also as far as I can see from the a quick google search, the majority of gangs in CT are "blood affiliated"
 
Why would he be using two hands to make two individual one handed gang signs?  This seems really dumb, and it's probably closer to the truth that in anything he was mixing the bloods and crips hand signs to be funny, since other than the thumb/forefinger he is clearly making a crips sign.  Maybe he is really the criminal master of the the new gang the Blips, and he was killing Lloyd before he could get the trademark because the guys in the club he was talking to were IP attorneys.
 

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Judge: "circumstantial or not, the prosecution has a very very strong case"
 
Televised hearing? In the jurisdiction where the case is likely to be tried?  Nice job judge, say hello to the appellate process.  Dumb. Ass.
 

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I can't believe he actually may have had practice at this whole getting-away-with-murder thing.
 
And then was so bad at it in his second go 'round.  His inability/unwillingness to mask this crime is almost offensive to the police.
 

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I am an Idiot said:
Yeah, it is SOP. Go to any gun range, you'll see a bucket with hundreds of them in there. Most likely a rental car place would think it just rolled out of the cuff of someone's jeans or something. A shell casing is just refuse, not evidence of a crime that has been committed per se. 
 
Well, yeah, I understand that a gun range would have a bunch. And I know it's not evidence of a crime.
 
I just thought that they'd maybe notate it somewhere.  When the cops show up and ask about a specific rental they can pull it up in the system that a shell casing was removed.
 

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I am an Idiot said:
Yeah, it is SOP. Go to any gun range, you'll see a bucket with hundreds of them in there. Most likely a rental car place would think it just rolled out of the cuff of someone's jeans or something. A shell casing is just refuse, not evidence of a crime that has been committed per se. 
 
Shell casing may not be a crime, but cuffed jeans certainly are.
 
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