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Auger34

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The problem is that when this happens to a regular person, their life could be ruined. Most people would have to take a plea for a felony charge and no jail time. But now they have a record and had to pay legal costs. And if they don't have resources, it could legitimately end up with a jail sentence.

And these types of incidents happen 100s of times a day.
That's what sucks so much about this and why I really wish Scottie had pressed charges. This Gillis guy needs to be fired immediately
 

jercra

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That's what sucks so much about this and why I really wish Scottie had pressed charges. This Gillis guy needs to be fired immediately
That's not how it works though. Lawsuits are against the city, not the policeman himself so there are no repercussions for anyone but taxpayers. Even if they wanted to fire him (they don't), it would never be allowed by the police union. Nothing good would have come out of Scottie having to deal with this for any longer than he needed to.
 

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Seems entirely reasonable to think he had no idea a police officer was telling him to stop, or that he was even a police officer. And the other cop is doing everything possible to get him to say something stupid. Booooooo.
I don’t interpret what the other cop was saying that way at all. Sounded to me a lot more like the cop he was talking to after in the car was saying “You should’ve stopped no matter whether he was a security guard or a police officer.” Which is right.

I had gotten the sense that the cop was a jerk when I first heard this story but think it sounds like Scheffler was probably at fault here, albeit not probably to the degree of being charged with a felony.
 

snowmanny

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I don’t interpret what the other cop was saying that way at all. Sounded to me a lot more like the cop he was talking to after in the car was saying “You should’ve stopped no matter whether he was a security guard or a police officer.” Which is right.

I had gotten the sense that the cop was a jerk when I first heard this story but think it sounds like Scheffler was probably at fault here, albeit not probably to the degree of being charged with a felony.
You don’t think there’s a difference between an order from a police officer and an order from a security guard?

Especially, I suppose, when you’ve been given instructions from a police officer that you believe you are following? But that’s not really the point. Dustin Pedroia probably doesn’t say “Ask Jeff fucking Francis who the fuck I am” to an actual Denver police officer. Although as I type that I am thinking maybe he would.
 

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You don’t think there’s a difference between an order from a police officer and an order from a security guard?

Especially, I suppose, when you’ve been given instructions from a police officer that you believe you are following? But that’s not really the point. Dustin Pedroia probably doesn’t say “Ask Jeff fucking Francis who the fuck I am” to an actual Denver police officer. Although as I type that I am thinking maybe he would.
This is the thing. Scottie was told by a verified police officer to do what he was doing. As he followed police instructions, someone he didn’t know was a cop gets aggressive and yells without identifying himself as police to stop and then grabs for him and apparently striking him with a flashlight. Sure in a perfect world he stops but given circumstances, given its dark, he’s late this seemed like an obvious misunderstanding which was clearly escalated.
 

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I don’t interpret what the other cop was saying that way at all. Sounded to me a lot more like the cop he was talking to after in the car was saying “You should’ve stopped no matter whether he was a security guard or a police officer.” Which is right.

I had gotten the sense that the cop was a jerk when I first heard this story but think it sounds like Scheffler was probably at fault here, albeit not probably to the degree of being charged with a felony.
Considering the charges were thrown out and the arresting officer's file is filled with over 10 suspensions and citations, backing up the cop here is zany. The cop also filed a false police report because he was not dragged.

Seems pretty suspect from the perspective of the law officer and not very suspect from the guy who was charged with a felony for something that was at worst a basic misunderstanding.
 

Auger34

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Yeah...I definitely don't think the cop who ran towards a car and swung a flashlight at said car like a crazy person is in the right here
 

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I don’t interpret what the other cop was saying that way at all. Sounded to me a lot more like the cop he was talking to after in the car was saying “You should’ve stopped no matter whether he was a security guard or a police officer.” Which is right.

I had gotten the sense that the cop was a jerk when I first heard this story but think it sounds like Scheffler was probably at fault here, albeit not probably to the degree of being charged with a felony.
Gotta disagree here. And I do interpret the questioning as somewhat motivated to try to get him to say something incriminating. I assume they read Scottie his Miranda rights when they cuffed him. He probably should have stayed quiet, but he was disoriented, and did not feel he did anything wrong at the time.
 

jercra

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Gotta disagree here. And I do interpret the questioning as somewhat motivated to try to get him to say something incriminating. I assume they read Scottie his Miranda rights when they cuffed him. He probably should have stayed quiet, but he was disoriented, and did not feel he did anything wrong at the time.
Not to mention that Scottie does this every week and sees many volunteer traffic/security guards give bad instructions, not realizing he's a player. It's hard to land on the side of the cops on this one.