2024 NBA General Offseason Thread

DJnVa

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I don't want to sully the Celtics media thread, but man, NBA media/punditry really did a bad job this season. I'm not even talking about the clowns like SAS or Nick Wright, but these other "experts" are supposed to be there to elevate basketball talk and inform the public on what they might see in a game or what they did see, and they seemed pathologically incapable of doing it.

I know this isn't just an NBA media issue, but man, they were so bad.
 

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I don't want to sully the Celtics media thread, but man, NBA media/punditry really did a bad job this season. I'm not even talking about the clowns like SAS or Nick Wright, but these other "experts" are supposed to be there to elevate basketball talk and inform the public on what they might see in a game or what they did see, and they seemed pathologically incapable of doing it.

I know this isn't just an NBA media issue, but man, they were so bad.
It is the wrong thread but I have to say Nick Wright was really on point when he was pointing why he was wrong as well as really defined what the next steps for the Celtics look like. Basically something along the lines of no dynasty is believed in the beginning but this season can be elevated by winning next season.

Also I think people thought Luka was better than he actually is. In the end the mighty Luka was 29.2 - 8.8 - 5.6 with horrendous defense and low efficiency. Kyrie was even worse.

The best duo was Tatum/Brown.
 

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JWill on ESPN seemed to confirm the JJ Redick reports, i.e. him hired by LAL.

Seems like a nice basketball mind, and he's great at talking about the game obviously. But there's a reason most coaches pay their dues in assistant roles and lower profile coaching jobs before taking an NBA head coach role - there's so much to learn and adapt to when it comes to working with talent, identifying problems, even learning how to run a practice.

Even when the Lakers hired Luke Walton, at age 36, he had retired at 33 and did a year in the Lakers' G League team and then 2 years as an assistant for GSW, winning a title, before moving to some pretty forgettable stints as a head coach of LAL and then SAC. That's a light coaching resume, and itself a cautionary tale for jumping the gun on guys who aren't ready. Redick, meanwhile, lacks even those basic prep roles that Walton had. Is he so much more of a meteoric coaching talent that you just have to roll those dice and let him learn on the job? Or is he buddies with Lebron now, and that's all that matters or ever had to matter?

Either way, I like Redick, and so it pains me to wish him ill.
 

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I'm coming around to thinking that JJ will be fine, but he also won't be much of a positive difference maker for a team that's just not going anywhere. I get you take the job that's offered and, as the media will tell you, the Lakers are a marquis franchise, but if he wants to coach, I think he's better suited for a team on the rise, like Orlando, where he can grow with the players (and hire some vet assistants). On the Lakers he's just kind of along for the ride.
 

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That Detroit job is really rough. That has to be one if the least-talented rosters in recent memory, with very little help on the horizon given how bad the draft is. On the plus side, I guess the expectations will be low for a few years.

I'm a little surprised they didn't keep Monty for at least one more year given that they need to tank again, but I guess this will be a "culture-shift" year.
 

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That Detroit job is really rough. That has to be one if the least-talented rosters in recent memory, with very little help on the horizon given how bad the draft is. On the plus side, I guess the expectations will be low for a few years.

I'm a little surprised they didn't keep Monty for at least one more year given that they need to tank again, but I guess this will be a "culture-shift" year.
Monty was also really, really awful as a Pistons coach. I mean, I don’t think you could find anyone who was even somewhat positive on the job he did.
His rotations made no sense and he fucked with the minutes of the young played they were supposed to be developing (seemingly on a whim).
The only reason anyone is batting an eye at him getting canned is because of g the contract. The actual performance was heinous
 

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Wonder if that means Cassell could be gone.
I really hope he stays for some continuity, but I would be worried he gets picked up. I'm sure they are prepared for this eventuality. On the plus side, quite a few former HCs (Vogel, Williams, Bickerstaff) are out there for potential assistant roles. No idea whether CJM or Brad have good connections with any of these guys.
 

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I'm coming around to thinking that JJ will be fine, but he also won't be much of a positive difference maker for a team that's just not going anywhere. I get you take the job that's offered and, as the media will tell you, the Lakers are a marquis franchise, but if he wants to coach, I think he's better suited for a team on the rise, like Orlando, where he can grow with the players (and hire some vet assistants). On the Lakers he's just kind of along for the ride.
I think Reddick will be fine with JVG as his lead assistant.

But like you, I think the talent deficit will play a bigger role in their performance than coaching.

From the other side, seems like a tough situation for Reddick. Given his pod with LBJ seemed like an extended coaching interview session, I wonder if he's going to have any issues in the locker room. He'd better get out to a fast start or he will be under fire quickly IMO.

edit: oops; senior moment.
 

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I think Reddick will be fine with JVG as his lead assistant.

But like you, I think the talent deficit will play a bigger role in their performance than coaching.

From the other side, seems like a tough situation for Reddick. Given his pod with LBJ seemed like an extended coaching interview session, I wonder if he's going to have any issues in the locker room. He'd better get out to a fast start or he will be under fire quickly IMO.
Except jvg is going to the clippers and Tyrone Lue
 

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I think Reddick will be fine with JVG as his lead assistant.

But like you, I think the talent deficit will play a bigger role in their performance than coaching.

From the other side, seems like a tough situation for Reddick. Given his pod with LBJ seemed like an extended coaching interview session, I wonder if he's going to have any issues in the locker room. He'd better get out to a fast start or he will be under fire quickly IMO.

edit: oops; senior moment.
+1 for the indigestion you just gave every Lakers fan by confusing them with the Clippers
 

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So the Lakers only offered Dan Hurley $60 million to be their coach, while the Pistons were willing to pay $65 million to Monty Williams to not coach them?
 

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So the Lakers only offered Dan Hurley $60 million to be their coach, while the Pistons were willing to pay $65 million to Monty Williams to not coach them?
To be fair, it was probably worth that much to the Pistons to not have them continue to be coached by Monty.
 

DJnVa

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That Detroit job is really rough. That has to be one if the least-talented rosters in recent memory, with very little help on the horizon given how bad the draft is. On the plus side, I guess the expectations will be low for a few years.

I'm a little surprised they didn't keep Monty for at least one more year given that they need to tank again, but I guess this will be a "culture-shift" year.
It's crazy that the Celtics won more games in the postseason than the Pistons won all year.
 

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Very interesting trade. Immediate reaction is I really like it for both teams
 

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Very interesting trade. Immediate reaction is I really like it for both teams
Yeah, I like each player’s new team fit better. OKC is going to be a handful. Still think they need more shooting but the defensive potential of that team will be immense.
 

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Yeah, I like each player’s new team fit better. OKC is going to be a handful. Still think they need more shooting but the defensive potential of that team will be immense.
Agree. It also makes sense for Chicago to bet on Giddey's youth and upside.
 

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That’s such a good get for OKC. If they can get some muscle and size for rebounding/rim protection and maybe add a 3 and D bench piece, they’ll be must watch TV into at least late May next year.
 

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Very interesting trade. Immediate reaction is I really like it for both teams
Seems like a decent win-win trade for both sides, favoring OKC a bit more. (I don't value Giddey that high, since his defense is almost Luka level bad. But his upside is definitely there)

OKC will probably benefit from following the C's teambuilding model, surrounding your 2-way star with multiple athletic perimeter defenders.
 

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I like that move a lot for OKC (it's fine for Chicago, but they're pretty irrelevant until proven otherwise), but their biggest problem (other than just being too young) this year was that they were too small and couldn't rebound (29th in DRB%). Caruso does not help in that regard.
 

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It's like a much better, more promising version of the Chris Paul / Jordan Poole trade, where a non-contender gets a fun guard with upside and no defensive ability, and a contender gets a much more defined, high-floor/low-ceiling veteran guard.
 

Caspir

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Can’t believe Chicago couldn’t get one of OKC’s 48 draft picks. Steal for the Thunder.
 

nattysez

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Can’t believe Chicago couldn’t get one of OKC’s 48 draft picks. Steal for the Thunder.
I'm still waiting for that shoe to drop. Seems like a bad move for the Bulls unless they got a pick or two.
 

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CHI can get something back for ZL but can they get anything for Vucevic? I think tearing everything there down to the studs is the right thing to do, but man is it going to be ugly.
 

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Do you think Shams and Woj write the tweets or do the teams/agents write them for them?
This isn't a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely wondering how it works.
 

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CHI can get something back for ZL but can they get anything for Vucevic? I think tearing everything there down to the studs is the right thing to do, but man is it going to be ugly.
LaVine's got 3/$134 left on his deal. I don't think it's a guarantee they can get much for him or Vucevic.

Do you think Shams and Woj write the tweets or do the teams/agents write them for them?
This isn't a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely wondering how it works.
I would usually scoff at the idea that they're not writing their own tweets, but those Woj tweets are...woof.