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LaVine's got 3/$134 left on his deal. I don't think it's a guarantee they can get much for him or Vucevic.



I would usually scoff at the idea that they're not writing their own tweets, but those Woj tweets are...woof.
Someone paid good capital for Bradley Beal.

Maybe Philly will be desperate enough?
 

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Nobody here likely knows but if you just consider incentives, both Woj and Shams seem inclined to do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to secure access. My guess is that includes paraphrasing PR and spin by the interested parties. And my guess is that both will work for anyone who talks so its probably not a pure player vs front office thing though @The Social Chair is right that Shams came up as more of a player voice.
 

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yeah, Shams and Woj tweets almost always include language that was specifically requested, they don't even pretend otherwise, they aren't out there "investigating" they are mouthpieces pure and simple
 

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Wow I love this trade for both teams. OKC got the fit and the Bulls gained the massive talent edge who is 10 years younger. Win-Win and especially for Giddey in getting out of SGA’s shadow.
 

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I don't have a problem with the Woj tweets. Explaining the logic of the deal to the general public makes sense. I don't think he needs to point out these players' deficiencies right now.
 

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Remains to be seen whether Giddey ever is serious enough to reach his considerable ceiling, but you gotta like the gamble. And good on OKC for turning one of their glut of child prospects into a player who's already developed. That alone fills a need, nevermind what AC brings to the table (which is all useful stuff).
 

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I am about as low on Giddey as someone can be, but they were going to trade Caruso for a mid-late first, and that’s a lottery ticket on even being a rotation player.
 

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I am about as low on Giddey as someone can be, but they were going to trade Caruso for a mid-late first, and that’s a lottery ticket on even being a rotation player.
I’m on the other end of the spectrum. I’m sure you touch upon the why at some point previously but do you mind sharing again? I see a 6-8, 20-yr old who when given the keys last year put up 3-4 triple doubles as an elite playmaker with several other double digit assist games.
 

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I’m on the other end of the spectrum. I’m sure you touch upon the why at some point previously but do you mind sharing again? I see a 6-8, 20-yr old who when given the keys last year put up 3-4 triple doubles as an elite playmaker with several other double digit assist games.
He’s going to have to become a threat to hit jumpers. Teams have started defending him like Ben Simmons, and unlike Simmons, Giddey isn’t especially good defensively, or an elite athlete at 6’10.

Like I said, I’d rather him than some mid/late first, but if he doesn’t become a competent shooter, he’s going to have a real tough time going forward.
 
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Do you fellas think they’ll extend Caruso? He’s only 30 and is on the final year of a deal. FWIW, I’m a fan of anybody who plays defense and thing they should get him signed up for additional years.
 

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Do you fellas think they’ll extend Caruso? He’s only 30 and is on the final year of a deal. FWIW, I’m a fan of anybody who plays defense and thing they should get him signed up for additional years.
100% they will. He’s really good defensively obviously, but he’s become a pretty solid offensive player. Quick decision maker, has become a more willing shooter, kind of like a poor man’s White.

Then they’re going to get Hartenstein.
 

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He’s going to have to become a threat to hit jumpers. Teams have started defending him like Ben Simmons, and unlike Simmons, Giddey isn’t especially good defensively, or an elite athlete at 6’10.

Like I said, I’d rather him than some mid/late first, but if he doesn’t become a competent shooter, he’s going to have a real tough time going forward.
I’m not worried. He’s 20 and 3-pt shooting is the easiest skill to learn plus he has a good mechanical baseline. He’s a much greater threat with the ball in his hands than as a spot-up shooter.
 

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You probably know Giddey was investigated for a relationship with a girl when she was 17.

Kendrick Lamar recently eviscerated Drake in a song called Not Like Us, accusing him of similar “relationships” (“Hey Drake, I hear you like ‘em young”). The drop the mic moment in the song leading into the first chorus is Kendrick rapping the double entendre that Drake is “trying to strike a chord, and it’s probably A-Minor….”
 

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You probably know Giddey was investigated for a relationship with a girl when she was 17.

Kendrick Lamar recently eviscerated Drake in a song called Not Like Us, accusing him of similar “relationships” (“Hey Drake, I hear you like ‘em young”). The drop the mic moment in the song leading into the first chorus is Kendrick rapping the double entendre that Drake is “trying to strike a chord, and it’s probably A-Minor….”
Weren’t they like 19 and 16? When I was at college parties at 19 I sure as hell didn’t card the girls there and I’m sure some were from HS who crashed it. It’s fuckin ridiculous the hell that the media and people have given this kid. 19 and 16, Belichick’s is 72 and 24 but that’s “you go boy!” But law though.
 

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Weren’t they like 19 and 16? When I was at college parties at 19 I sure as hell didn’t card the girls there and I’m sure some were from HS who crashed it. It’s fuckin ridiculous the hell that the media and people have given this kid. 19 and 16, Belichick’s is 72 and 24 but that’s “you go boy!” But law though.
Eww.

No, it isn't ridiculous to expect young men to not have sex with underage girls. Standards for behavior are good, especially when it comes to things like rape.

As for your personal anecdote, congratulations, you may have raped someone. Your takeaway shouldn't be that other people committing rape is ok because you may have. The fact that is your takeaway is gross.
 

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He’s going to have to become a threat to hit jumpers. Teams have started defending him like Ben Simmons, and unlike Simmons, Giddey isn’t especially good defensively, or an elite athlete at 6’10.

Like I said, I’d rather him than some mid/late first, but if he doesn’t become a competent shooter, he’s going to have a real tough time going forward.
And he's pretty bad defensively.

There are reasons for optimism that his shooting has trended up a little and he is still so very young. His assist and turnover metrics are good.

Agreed overall that the shooting has to make a leap. It's speculation at this point as to whether it will or won't. I couldn't fault an argument on either side of this.
 

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I’m not worried. He’s 20 and 3-pt shooting is the easiest skill to learn plus he has a good mechanical baseline. He’s a much greater threat with the ball in his hands than as a spot-up shooter.
Yea. The trade was a win/win for both teams and players. Giddey needed to be moved with SGA/J-Dub starting and Joe/Wallace eating into Josh's bench minutes.

Giddey has improved his 3pt% and FT% each year, so betting on a 21yr old is fine for the Bulls who are stuck in purgatory. Vucevic trade + LaVine deal have been just terrible from the jump

Caruso was our binky all last season, poor man's Jrue, great pick-up for OKC. AC/Dort do their best Brown/Holiday impression every time they play the MAVs

The Western Conf just got tougher....hahahahahahhahahaha
 
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Interesting deal; I am not sold on Giddey but agree with HRB that he's an interesting upside play for Chicago and that he might be a plus-plus distributor with size (albeit without a jumpshot) on a team where he can be the primary ballhandler

That said, the Bulls are a train-wreak of a roster and I'm sure this is only one of many moves, or at least should be, so we have to see more to really assess the fit.
 

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Wow I love this trade for both teams. OKC got the fit and the Bulls gained the massive talent edge who is 10 years younger. Win-Win and especially for Giddey in getting out of SGA’s shadow.
Do you think a point guard with no outside shot is viable in the playoffs? Or do you assume Giddey will work on/improve his jumper? His inability to shoot played a pretty big role in the Thunder not advancing.
 

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Do you think a point guard with no outside shot is viable in the playoffs? Or do you assume Giddey will work on/improve his jumper? His inability to shoot played a pretty big role in the Thunder not advancing.
"Playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs??"
 

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OKC desperately needs another reliable offensive playmaker outside of SGA. They collapsed in the playoffs because Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, Giddy, etc. Were not ready.
 

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That Detroit job is really rough. That has to be one if the least-talented rosters in recent memory, with very little help on the horizon given how bad the draft is. On the plus side, I guess the expectations will be low for a few years.

I'm a little surprised they didn't keep Monty for at least one more year given that they need to tank again, but I guess this will be a "culture-shift" year.
In the last four years the Pistons have had three high lottery picks and one mid lottery pick. They drafted two lead guards and two combo guards. Their problems start in the front office. I've already put my prop bet on them drafting Stephon Castle. It's destiny.
 

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I’m not worried. He’s 20 and 3-pt shooting is the easiest skill to learn plus he has a good mechanical baseline. He’s a much greater threat with the ball in his hands than as a spot-up shooter.
You always say this, but the league is littered with the corpses of the players that never learned to shoot.
 

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Eww.

No, it isn't ridiculous to expect young men to not have sex with underage girls. Standards for behavior are good, especially when it comes to things like rape.

As for your personal anecdote, congratulations, you may have raped someone. Your takeaway shouldn't be that other people committing rape is ok because you may have. The fact that is your takeaway is gross.
That’s a real tucked up defintion of rape. To each their own. I suppose my father “raped” my mother since they met at 20 and 17 too. That’s a terrible injustice to put on actual rape victims but I won’t judge.
 

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That’s a real tucked up defintion of rape. To each their own. I suppose my father “raped” my mother since they met at 20 and 17 too. That’s a terrible injustice to put on actual rape victims but I won’t judge.
Different states have different "age of consent" standards, so, depending on where you are, even 16 is sometimes acceptable. So maybe your parents committed no crime. Or maybe they did. Just because you perceive that it worked out in the end doesn't make it right, or OK for others to repeat it. I've driven drunk and nothing bad happened; it doesn't follow that driving drunk is fine. It's irresponsible and dangerous to others. So is sexual contact with people whose age you don't know.

Having sex with someone under the age of consent is, by legal definition, rape. You can reflect on how that colors your perception of your own life/choices or not, I could care less. But it isn't injustice or "to each their own" it's the law, and the law does judge.
 

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Different states have different "age of consent" standards, so, depending on where you are, even 16 is sometimes acceptable. So maybe your parents committed no crime. Or maybe they did. Just because you perceive that it worked out in the end doesn't make it right, or OK for others to repeat it. I've driven drunk and nothing bad happened; it doesn't follow that driving drunk is fine. It's irresponsible and dangerous to others. So is sexual contact with people whose age you don't know.

Having sex with someone under the age of consent is, by legal definition, rape. You can reflect on how that colors your perception of your own life/choices or not, I could care less. But it isn't injustice or "to each their own" it's the law, and the law does judge.
HRB’s parents would almost certainly qualify for the Romeo Juliet exception to statutory rape in almost every state given the closeness in age.

We do not have enough info on the Giddey case to really know for certain if it was statutory rape. It is one of those we need the facts in order to draw a conclusion.
 

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HRB’s parents would almost certainly qualify for the Romeo Juliet exception to statutory rape in almost every state given the closeness in age.

We do not have enough info on the Giddey case to really know for certain if it was statutory rape. It is one of those we need the facts in order to draw a conclusion.
17 is typically (but not always) above the age of consent in the US. Ages of consent in the United States - Wikipedia

There were allegations Giddy was "dating" a 15-year-old, which is way different than a 17 YO.
 

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I wonder how down on Jarrett Allen the Cavs are. Allen's contract matches up with Vooch's pretty well. But I expect the Cavs could do better than what the Bulls would want to offer -- presumably Vooch and a second-rounder for Allen. For example, you'd think OKC would trade a bad first-rounder for Allen.
 

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I wonder how down on Jarrett Allen the Cavs are. Allen's contract matches up with Vooch's pretty well. But I expect the Cavs could do better than what the Bulls would want to offer -- presumably Vooch and a second-rounder for Allen. For example, you'd think OKC would trade a bad first-rounder for Allen.
The Cavs are down on Jarrett Allen? The last I heard he was more likely to stay with Mobley potentially being exposed to the market.
 

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The Cavs are down on Jarrett Allen? The last I heard he was more likely to stay with Mobley potentially being exposed to the market.
There were some grumblings that he didn't want to play hurt in the playoffs, and that the team was upset about it.

The Cavs are in a weird position in that it seems like things should be great (they've got 4 borderline all-star level guys between the ages of 22-27), but somehow the whole is less than the sum of its parts, and it seems like Cleveland would be better off moving 1 of Garland/Mitchell and 1 of Mobley/Allen for some wings better than Max Strus and Caris Levert. It would be ideal if they could move their older, more expensive guys (Mitchell/Allen), but those guys are also clearly better than the younger group (Garland/Mobley). I don't think any team is as interesting this offseason as Philly, but Cleveland is really in an odd spot for a group that theoretically, should be in an excellent position going forward.
 

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Seems like a good hire? He was good for Brooklyn before he got kicked off the KD/Kyrie train.