2023 Bullpen
- Thread starter Rovin Romine
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The bullpen appears to be about a week away from being potentially quite deep. Assuming the Rotation will be:
Sale
Bello
Paxton
Whitlock
Kluber
We are now looking at:
Jansen
Martin
Winckowski
Crawford
Houck
Pivetta
J. Rodriguez
There is a lot to work with here. Not sure who goes when Shreiber is back and what to make of Bleier at this point...
Sale
Bello
Paxton
Whitlock
Kluber
We are now looking at:
Jansen
Martin
Winckowski
Crawford
Houck
Pivetta
J. Rodriguez
There is a lot to work with here. Not sure who goes when Shreiber is back and what to make of Bleier at this point...
That looks pretty right-handed.......gotta figure they would have more than 1 lefty
Brazzers released per Pete Abe.
Our long national nightmare is finally over. Praise to the most high.
Our long national nightmare is finally over. Praise to the most high.
Ryan Brasier has officially been released.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisHenrique/status/1660324054622953475
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisHenrique/status/1660324054622953475
The Red Sox hope Ryan will be able to successfully forage for food, shelter from the weather, and hide from predators. Perhaps even find a suitable mate out there.
I wouldn't read too much into him going unclaimed (and untraded for). Who wants to give up anything of value, or pay the remainder of his $2M salary, when they can wait for him to be a free agent and sign him for the pro-rated league minimum? Especially if we're talking about the low-budget Rays.
The Sox bullpen has improved where they need it most.
BOS relievers, 2022
BB%: 9.9 (6th highest of 30)
HR/9: 1.05 (13th highest of 30)
BOS relievers, 2023
BB%: 8.0 (28th highest of 30)
HR/9: 0.86 (27th highest of 30)
Pretty impressive, especially considering we've given so many innings to waiver claims and fringe prospects no one expected to have a role.
Bernardino, Garza, Sherriff, Murphy, Jacques and Littell:
51 IP, 3.00 ERA, 3.12 FIP, 20.7 K%, 7.0 BB%, 0.35 HR/9, 50.7 GB%
That group has thrown about 19 percent of our total relief innings, and they've been solid! If you include Winckowski, another guy no one really thought would make the team in the early posts in this thread, it's even better.
BOS relievers, 2022
BB%: 9.9 (6th highest of 30)
HR/9: 1.05 (13th highest of 30)
BOS relievers, 2023
BB%: 8.0 (28th highest of 30)
HR/9: 0.86 (27th highest of 30)
Pretty impressive, especially considering we've given so many innings to waiver claims and fringe prospects no one expected to have a role.
Bernardino, Garza, Sherriff, Murphy, Jacques and Littell:
51 IP, 3.00 ERA, 3.12 FIP, 20.7 K%, 7.0 BB%, 0.35 HR/9, 50.7 GB%
That group has thrown about 19 percent of our total relief innings, and they've been solid! If you include Winckowski, another guy no one really thought would make the team in the early posts in this thread, it's even better.
So far, just looking quickly at bWAR - the Sox have 9.1 WAR out of their pitchers and 6.4 has come from pre-arb players making the minimum. That’s pretty remarkable. Where would they be without the production they’ve gotten from Winckowski, who has basically been their best pitcher out of the pen?
Scott is kind of an odd pitcher. Strikes out a lot of people, walks a lot of people. Short reliever. Never really shown an aptitude for baseball.
Has thrown 57% sliders...I wonder if the Red Sox see something they can fix in terms of one of the pitches or the pitch mix.
Worst part is finding out Schreiber still not ready for a while.
Has thrown 57% sliders...I wonder if the Red Sox see something they can fix in terms of one of the pitches or the pitch mix.
Worst part is finding out Schreiber still not ready for a while.
That is the meanest thing anyone has ever said about anyone ever.
Also, I don't really see the comparison. Ort throws 73% fastballs & I've given up on him ever being a competent pitcher. Scott I only just learned about so I have not given up on him becoming a competent pitcher, yet. I wonder if the key to unlocking him might be a slight tweak to his changeup...
The Dodgers had this guy behind Ryan Brasier on the depth chart. I'm not expecting very much.
Is it time to start giving save opportunities to someone other than Jensen? Not exclusively but to test test the waters? I do not feel comfortable with a one run 9th inning lead and Jensen coming in.
The bullpen Trust-O-Meter may not reflect my own personal beliefs, but it's an easy way to keep track of who is currently in the bullpen...
View: https://twitter.com/EdHand89/status/1672811724561436674
& it's pretty yikes. So demoting Jansen at this point seems like it would be counterproductive.
I've been saying all along Martin was the better signing & the better pitcher, but swapping their roles wouldn't have much of a practical impact & would probably just damage the relationship with Jansen.
I would rather trade him than demote him.
I don't understand this at all. Before yesterday, Jensen had seven straight appearances (going back to June 6) with the following line: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 8 K, 1 win, 4 saves. Since those back to back blown saves against the Cardinals, including yesterday: 14 appearances, 13.2 IP, 9 H, 5 BB, 3 R, 14 K, 1.98 ERA, 2.32 FIP, 1 win, 2 losses, 7 for 7 save opportunities.
Jensen is fine. They should leave him right where he is.
Oh c'mon, of course you do. Players don't perform perfectly, therefore they must be replaced. If the Main Board had it's way, there'd be entirely new 26-player roster every 3-4 days
FWIW, over that same stretch of games since the Cardinals series, this is Martin's line: 13 appearances, 12.2 IP, 9 H, 0 BB, 3 R, 12 K, 2.13 ERA, 1.38 FIP, 1 win, 1 blown save, 1 save, 6 holds. Aside from a handful of walks, Jensen and Martin have practically been the same pitcher.
Did Jackie Jensen come back from the dead and take over the closer's role? The guy's name is Kenley Jansen and he's been pitching fine overall. You'd replace like 7 other people in the bullpen before him.
Joely finally was able to make it through an inning at Worcester today.
View: https://twitter.com/ByAndrewParker/status/1673047050236092418
View: https://twitter.com/ByAndrewParker/status/1673047050236092418
This is a pretty crazy stat...
View: https://twitter.com/SoxNotes/status/1673740760296964104?cxt=HHwWkIC--dCWqbouAAAA
How acquired...
Bernardino: Waivers (4/16) - released by Mariners
Garza: Waivers (4/28) - released by Angels
Jacques: Minor League Rule V (12/7) - from Pirates
Jansen: Free agent signing (2/$32m)
Martin: Free agent signing (2/$13.5m)
Murphy: 6th round pick in 2019
Ort: Minor League Rule V (2020) - embedded Yankee
Pivetta: Acquired in trade along with Seabold for Workman/Hembree - from Phillies
Winckowski: Acquired in Benny trade - from Royals
View: https://twitter.com/SoxNotes/status/1673740760296964104?cxt=HHwWkIC--dCWqbouAAAA
How acquired...
Bernardino: Waivers (4/16) - released by Mariners
Garza: Waivers (4/28) - released by Angels
Jacques: Minor League Rule V (12/7) - from Pirates
Jansen: Free agent signing (2/$32m)
Martin: Free agent signing (2/$13.5m)
Murphy: 6th round pick in 2019
Ort: Minor League Rule V (2020) - embedded Yankee
Pivetta: Acquired in trade along with Seabold for Workman/Hembree - from Phillies
Winckowski: Acquired in Benny trade - from Royals
Jansen, Martin, and Winckowski have been good to excellent all year and make up the bulk of the innings. Murphy hasn’t given up a run. Pivetta has been excellent out of the pen. Bernardino has been good. Ort, Jacques, and Garza haven’t but haven’t pitched enough to make much of a difference.
(7 IP, 5 ER from the pen tonight, not so great).
(7 IP, 5 ER from the pen tonight, not so great).
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Zack Kelly getting ready to save our season...
View: https://twitter.com/zack_kelly/status/1674794811231178753
View: https://twitter.com/zack_kelly/status/1674794811231178753
Maybe not in the micro, but if you were asked to describe big picture you could say "pitching has been good enough most of the time," "offense has become sub-optimal," and "defense has been below abysmal."
Kenley Jansen = rich man's Sawamura...
View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1674583297966460928
Not sure what that has to do with my post?
Anyway, Richard Bleier was the opener for Portland today. 1 inning, 1 hit, no runs, 2 strikeouts.
I guess he'll be back in Boston relatively soon to see if maybe he was just injured & not bad at baseball.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisHenrique/status/1675652420242911233
Those were just the stats. Not a statement. I think it's pretty safe to say no pitcher is 6 times better one place than another. Just thought it was kind of a funny comparison.
How was bringing in Ort a good decision???
Go to f’in Murphy starting the 2nd. It’s goddamned guaranteed that Ort will drop a deuce on the game.
Go to f’in Murphy starting the 2nd. It’s goddamned guaranteed that Ort will drop a deuce on the game.
I hope this isn’t too game threading but Garza and Ort really need to be removed with Murphy and Walters fully in the pen. I didn’t expect to win a bullpen-starter game against TX but bringing in Ort was an early white flag.
Get one+ inning out of Bernardino, 3 from Murphy and 3 from Walters and if they’re still in it… you’ve got the better back-end of the pen to hopefully close it out.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1676349704894816257
Where they were an Opening Day...
Bernardino - Tacoma (Seattle AAA)
Ort - Red Sox (until demotion in April)
Murphy - Worcester
Garza - Salt Lake City (Angels AAA)
Walter - Worcester
Scott - Oklahoma City (Dodgers AAA)
Where they were an Opening Day...
Bernardino - Tacoma (Seattle AAA)
Ort - Red Sox (until demotion in April)
Murphy - Worcester
Garza - Salt Lake City (Angels AAA)
Walter - Worcester
Scott - Oklahoma City (Dodgers AAA)
So only one of the six was on a major league roster, and that one was clearly the worst of the six?
Not sure we've seen enough of Scott to know he's not the worst of the 6. Dodgers did keep Brasier instead of him.