Jokic / Giannis / JT / Kawhi / SGA for one.Let's hear them
Embiid / AD / JB / Ant / Halliburton
Jokic / Giannis / JT / Kawhi / SGA for one.Let's hear them
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWASPHfo5DQFuck that, let's rewatch the high points from this season so far. Anyone want to do a live watchalong of the second Minnesota game? Kick it off like 9pm ET tomorrow or Weds, with whichever of you nutbars want to join over Zoom. I got the VOD all ready to go.
Shai-Luka-Kawhi-Paolo-GiannisLet's hear them
"We've got three weeks, with the way we're playing," Rivers said. "If we play like that, we'll be playing one of them in the first round, so we've got to get better.
"That was unacceptable. That's on me first. I did something where I didn't see something tonight. It's always on the coach. That's an unacceptable effort for us. I don't say that very often. I don't think I've ever said that. That was a crime. It was tough to talk after the game, because about what? We've got to be better than that. I don't want to hear about us winning crap, not with that effort."
I'm now dumber for having read that.I'm surprised Pat Bev's series of tweets weren't put in here which were way more embarrassing than what Austin said.
"This Man Doc actually saved your career. Started you when no one else wanted 2. And u retire go on TV and say that.
@jj_redick"
When called out by Redick saying that he had multiple offers for the same money and to start, Beverley then responded with....something that has nothing to do with anything?
"Why didn’t u take it then? U was comfy in your role with team. And don’t just say LA"
Of course neither Rivers or PatBev actually address what Redick is saying because it's 100% true
A friend of mine and I were texting about this and he said he thought Beverley is a troll and was just trolling....I'm now dumber for having read that.
Seems possible Josh Giddey may deserve this title, but sources on that seem to have gone quiet. This is no defense of PatBev, to be clear!Pat Beverly is the cringiest active NBA player and it isn't close.
That could end up going down as one of the biggest free agency blunders of the 21st century, but it hasn't killed them yet. They don't make the Kyrie move if they retain Brunson, and Kyrie is still giving Dallas probably 95% what Brunson was capable of. It is still disastrous in the longterm because of the assets given up, disparate contracts (Kyrie look he'll cost Dallas about 3/116, compared to the 4/55 bargain that would've been Brunson), the 4 year age difference, and the ever-ticking time bomb that is Kyrie Irving, but I don't know if the on court impact is that significant just yet.
As you note, the comparison isn't Kyrie vs. Brunson: it's Kyrie vs. Brunson, DFS, the players they could get with the salary differential, and the players they could get with those assets. Honestly, they could maybe be starting Brunson, Jrue Holiday, and Luka all together right now without that deal. Or Marcus Smart along with those guys. I can probably think of others.That could end up going down as one of the biggest free agency blunders of the 21st century, but it hasn't killed them yet. They don't make the Kyrie move if they retain Brunson, and Kyrie is still giving Dallas probably 95% what Brunson was capable of. It is still disastrous in the longterm because of the assets given up, disparate contracts (Kyrie look he'll cost Dallas about 3/116, compared to the 4/55 bargain that would've been Brunson), the 4 year age difference, and the ever-ticking time bomb that is Kyrie Irving, but I don't know if the on court impact is that significant just yet.
Giving up on KP and trading him for salary filler (Dinwiddie and Bertans) looks just as bad, and they haven't come close to filling his potential offensive impact.
Maybe, but I don't know that that makes them materially better than they are right now (I think they'd still be stuck in the 2nd tier in the west, solidly behind the top 4), and it's really an open question as to whether or not Brunson would've enjoyed the same breakout play during his 2 seasons with the Knicks had he remained in Dallas playing in the heliocentric offense that is Luka Doncic.As you note, the comparison isn't Kyrie vs. Brunson: it's Kyrie vs. Brunson, DFS, the players they could get with the salary differential, and the players they could get with those assets. Honestly, they could maybe be starting Brunson, Jrue Holiday, and Luka all together right now without that deal. Or Marcus Smart along with those guys. I can probably think of others.
What have sources said about Giddey? I thought the undisputed cringiest award would go to Josh Primo.Seems possible Josh Giddey may deserve this title, but sources on that seem to have gone quiet. This is no defense of PatBev, to be clear!
If this is true (that swapping Kyrie for Brunson, Jrue, and DFS leaves them out of the top tier in the West), that's an evaluation of Luka more than anything. Those are some really good players, and if you're ostensibly a top-5 guy, you'd want to see more oomph from getting those guys around you. Giannis + Jrue + one other scorer + some defensive role players is a proven elite regular season team and title contender.Maybe, but I don't know that that makes them materially better than they are right now (I think they'd still be stuck in the 2nd tier in the west, solidly behind the top 4), and it's really an open question as to whether or not Brunson would've enjoyed the same breakout play during his 2 seasons with the Knicks had he remained in Dallas playing in the heliocentric offense that is Luka Doncic.
He's played for three of the most dysfunctional organizations in the league before coming to Boston. I was kind of worried about his attitude issues at his previous spots when the Celtics acquired him, but by the time the season started, I had convinced myself he was just stuck in bad situations--he's been nothing but wonderful so far this season and it would seem impossible to consider him a losing player.Porzingis, for being a really fucking good basketball player, sure has been traded for a bunch of not much in his career.
Dallas got him for the 21st pick in the 2021, a top 10 protected pick that is likely to convey this year, and salary filler
Washington got him for Dinwiddie and one of the worst contracts in the league in Bertans
Boston got him and a couple picks for Smart
I'm skeptical of Luka's ability to positively impact and elevate his teammates offensively, and obviously his defense is a bigger liability for him than any other top 10 player. This is still a minority opinion among followers of the NBA, but I'm very happy we have Tatum instead of Doncic.If this is true (that swapping Kyrie for Brunson, Jrue, and DFS leaves them out of the top tier in the West), that's an evaluation of Luka more than anything. Those are some really good players, and if you're ostensibly a top-5 guy, you'd want to see more oomph from getting those guys around you. Giannis + Jrue + one other scorer + some defensive role players is a proven elite regular season team and title contender.
I don't even disagree with you that much, I just think it shows how big the gap between Luka and other elite players is, if true.
I think it’s less about talent for talent and more about opportunity cost. In order to go from a 2nd tier team in the west two years ago to a second tier team now, they traded a shitload of assets. Now they don’t have much left to improve a very flawed roster.Maybe, but I don't know that that makes them materially better than they are right now (I think they'd still be stuck in the 2nd tier in the west, solidly behind the top 4), and it's really an open question as to whether or not Brunson would've enjoyed the same breakout play during his 2 seasons with the Knicks had he remained in Dallas playing in the heliocentric offense that is Luka Doncic.
Luka is a top 10 offense by himself. I think Jrue for Kyrie alone would make Dallas better, but DFS and Brunson don’t really do anything. Realistically the way to build a team around Luka is by getting great defensive players. I think both Kyrie and Brunson are awful fits in terms of actually building a top contender, unless one of them is willing to come off the benchIf this is true (that swapping Kyrie for Brunson, Jrue, and DFS leaves them out of the top tier in the West), that's an evaluation of Luka more than anything. Those are some really good players, and if you're ostensibly a top-5 guy, you'd want to see more oomph from getting those guys around you. Giannis + Jrue + one other scorer + some defensive role players is a proven elite regular season team and title contender.
I don't even disagree with you that much, I just think it shows how big the gap between Luka and other elite players is, if true.
Agreed.I'm skeptical of Luka's ability to positively impact and elevate his teammates offensively, and obviously his defense is a bigger liability for him than any other top 10 player. This is still a minority opinion among followers of the NBA, but I'm very happy we have Tatum instead of Doncic.
Hmmm...I'm skeptical of any player's ability to carry an NBA team without another very good scorer. It's fun to say that Brunson would be "redundant" or that Luka is "heliocentric", but there are still 12-15 minutes/game that Luka isn't playing, and a lot of possessions when he is playing where you'd like another guy out there.Luka is a top 10 offense by himself. I think Jrue for Kyrie alone would make Dallas better, but DFS and Brunson don’t really do anything. Realistically the way to build a team around Luka is by getting great defensive players. I think both Kyrie and Brunson are awful fits in terms of actually building a top contender, unless one of them is willing to come off the bench
This is very fair, and I don't like minimizing the car crash that has been the Dallas FO decision-making since their title (other than drafting Luka), but I'm struck by the following that impacts how Dallas failing to re-sign Brunson is viewed:I think it’s less about talent for talent and more about opportunity cost. In order to go from a 2nd tier team in the west two years ago to a second tier team now, they traded a shitload of assets. Now they don’t have much left to improve a very flawed roster.
All their moves look like they’re plugging holes in a sinking ship. They lose Brunson in FA, then trade useful players and picks for Kyrie. They trade for Christian Wood, doesn’t work out, then they have to draft Derrick Lively - he’s pretty good, but still raw, so they have to trade a pick for Gafford. They trade away DFS in the Kyrie trade leaving a hole on the wing, so they give up a pick to sign Grant Williams, who doesn’t work out, so they trade him and another pick for PJ Washington.
It’s paying a ton of resources to tread water, and the original sin is not signing Brunson. If they keep him in the Kyrie role, they could use all that powder on another big move.
People say this kind of thing, but over the last few years Dallas has been 9th, 15th and 6th in offensive rating. He's excellent, but not exactly prime Curry or Jokic in that his mere presence guarantees a top offense. There are absolutely ways to build a great team around him (and Dallas has failed to do so, even in the best case Kyrie is a crummy running mate), but a byproduct of Tatum being a far more well-rounded player is that it's much easier/simpler to surround him with quality supporting stars and role players.Luka is a top 10 offense by himself. I think Jrue for Kyrie alone would make Dallas better, but DFS and Brunson don’t really do anything. Realistically the way to build a team around Luka is by getting great defensive players. I think both Kyrie and Brunson are awful fits in terms of actually building a top contender, unless one of them is willing to come off the bench
What is surprising about Kyrie being an effective player? When has he not been?-Kyrie has been surprisingly effective, although we all know it's just a matter of time (and he has already missed 20+ games).
Dallas led the league in Offensive Efficiency 4 years back when Porzingis was there and the Mavs were starting Offensive jaugermauts Dorian Finney-Smith and Dwight Powell. The Mavs offense has been lethal this year with Doncic and Kyrie on the floor together.People say this kind of thing, but over the last few years Dallas has been 9th, 15th and 6th in offensive rating. He's excellent, but not exactly prime Curry or Jokic in that his mere presence guarantees a top offense. There are absolutely ways to build a great team around him (and Dallas has failed to do so, even in the best case Kyrie is a crummy running mate), but a byproduct of Tatum being a far more well-rounded player is that it's much easier/simpler to surround him with quality supporting stars and role players.
He's always an extremely effective [offensive] player, until he isn't. I can't be alone in expecting him to have forced a trade by this point, or found some other reason to act out. He has missed a lot of time to injury, so maybe that's just how things will go. It's hard to distinguish yourself as an unreliable star when Ben Simmons, James Harden and Kawhi Leonard are still around, but Kyrie is special.What is surprising about Kyrie being an effective player? When has he not been?
That was 4 years ago, and with Porzingis. Kyrie was part of a #1 offense three years ago in Brooklyn, which is just as relevant. Despite the counting stats, Luka is not on the same level as prime Steph (top 3 offenses for 5 straight years) or Jokic (top 7 offenses for 7 straight years before an odd dip this season, and with nobody anywhere near as talented offensively as Kyrie), to the point where his mere presence makes for a top offense.Dallas led the league in Offensive Efficiency 4 years back when Porzingis was there and the Mavs were starting Offensive jaugermauts Dorian Finney-Smith and Dwight Powell. The Mavs offense has been lethal this year with Doncic and Kyrie on the floor together.
I’m thinking he’s referring to Giddey starting dating his fiancé when she was 17. And I’l up your Primo with Derrick Rose, who I assume is still in the league. His gang rape makes dead Kobe blush.What have sources said about Giddey? I thought the undisputed cringiest award would go to Josh Primo.
Jesus is that still a thing? Comparing a 19 yr old dating someone 3-4 years younger with gang rapes and whatever it is that Primo does? I thought there was something else about Giddey that made him creepy that I missed.I’m thinking he’s referring to Giddey starting dating his fiancé when she was 17. And I’l up your Primo with Derrick Rose, who I assume is still in the league. His gang rape makes dead Kobe blush.
Yeah, this is really bad. I didn't notice any tweak or anything during the game, which makes sense since they were essentially walking through the game.Warriors v Lakers on TNT tonight. Lebron out with a sore ankle. Not such a great look right after the all star break.
Fair; Primo sucks....I have no defense of him.Jesus is that still a thing? Comparing a 19 yr old dating someone 3-4 years younger with gang rapes and whatever it is that Primo does? I thought there was something else about Giddey that made him creepy that I missed.
Or you know, the guy is just hurting and can't playYeah, this is really bad. I didn't notice any tweak or anything during the game, which makes sense since they were essentially walking through the game.
I assume people are bringing him up because he was under investigation for sleeping with a then-16-year-old, and so it's top of mind for those following NBA news, at least until the next time Ja Morant goes off the deep end.Jesus is that still a thing? Comparing a 19 yr old dating someone 3-4 years younger with gang rapes and whatever it is that Primo does? I thought there was something else about Giddey that made him creepy that I missed.
Wait...is that Giddey thing true? I know about the 17 year old thing, I had no idea that they are now engaged?I’m thinking he’s referring to Giddey starting dating his fiancé when she was 17. And I’l up your Primo with Derrick Rose, who I assume is still in the league. His gang rape makes dead Kobe blush.
He certainly was engaged in sleeping with a minor.Wait...is that Giddey thing true? I know about the 17 year old thing, I had no idea that they are now engaged?
We do know about it. He was dating/sleeping with an underage girl.You have to assume that if Giddey was actually doing something wrong that we would know about it by now.
Setting aside the morality of a 19 year old dating a 16 year old (the ages when they supposedly got together) - and its not that uncommon - if the girl's family is declining to pursue any action against him and they are allegedly still together, it feels like a non-story.We do know about it. He was dating/sleeping with an underage girl.
And remember Giddy was 19 when she was 16. Not to say he was right for this, he also met the girl in an over 18 club, so he had no reason to believe she was 16, and supposedly he found out the next day and stopped the relationship.I assume people are bringing him up because he was under investigation for sleeping with a then-16-year-old, and so it's top of mind for those following NBA news, at least until the next time Ja Morant goes off the deep end.
In a league where dozens of active players have had multiple domestic violence arrests and even some convictions, I have a hard time really giving Giddey some sort of distinction for shittiness, even if we all agree a 16yo can't / shouldn't be able to legally consent, because we ought to discourage adults from sleeping with them as a matter of social policy. If I'm ranking harms, call me when there's widespread outrage at Kevin Porter Jr for beating his wife beyond recognition, outrage sufficient that he can't hold a job in the league. Hell, he'd have been shitcanned from the NFL for that, and when you're worse than the NFL... Perk is still on TV despite this, which wasn't even his only incident. At least the Celtics cut Jabari Bird, but he also wasn't a starter on a title-winning team, so clearly we need to compromise our moral standards in such cases, right? Sigh.
Giddey isnt bad at all….he’s really good. He’s also a real bad fit for that Thunder team as constructed. Someone is going to get to buy low on him one day.Back to basketball...
OKC would be better off playing Hayward or Isiah Joe.
Let Giddey hang at da Club & trade him this Summer
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GuuRdbHRl4
he's young, so he has that going for himGiddey isnt bad at all….he’s really good. He’s also a real bad fit for that Thunder team as constructed. Someone is going to get to buy low on him one day.
And highly skilled w great size. Kid has a ton going for him except for fit.he's young, so he has that going for him